Really Different Take on Our First Round...
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Parker/Perriman then Hundley huh? Could just as easily have 2 1st round busts as we've had the last 2 times we had 2 1st rounders... OR, we can roll the dice again and pick up 2 great talents. He is very accurate as far as our needs on offense supreceding our needs on D, but I find it hard to believe we would pass on all that D talent in the 1st round... it's hard to argue with his reasons...
Also, the numbers on Hundley are impressive, but I wonder if he is only using numbers based on confirmation bias... I'm sure somebody else could find stats that make Winston the more favorable pick...
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Another butterfly chase with Hudley @ 19? Maybe in Rd 2 but not in the 1st. No thanks.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1824723/brett-hundley
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I'd be more upset about Hundley at 19 than I would Mariota at 12.
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as new23 put it: how is a defensive-minded coach and a defensive minded GM going to pass on top level defensive talent in the first round? it's not like the draft is stacked like this every year. you gots to gets dem while der dere.
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I've heard some rumblings that the Eagles were gonna tap him at 20...(which kinda sounds reasonable to me).....so, IF the Browns really want him and think he can play, then 19 would be the spot to do it..... and a trade back might cost us the pick if the Eagles interest is real.....
I dont really have a strong opinion on him one way or the other and REALLY want more D.....(though, of course, also want a good QB more than anything else)....
So....take Hundley at 19?....Ok, if you say so....
But taking a WR at #12?.....dont like this one bit.....not at all.....bleck!!!
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BPA at 12 then Perryman at 19 yes please. Hundley cannot recognise pressure and has no play clock in his head, would be a huge reach to take him that high.
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WR Perriman was not taken until the 2rd round of our current mock draft. Hundley has not yet been selected.
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i think this year we will address the front 7 with both our first round pics... and why not? most of the other 17 teams (ahead of us) will be focused on offense and cb. From what I have been seeing in mocks is that there will be incredible value pass rushers available to be had when we go on the clock both times.
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i don't know about that. besides the 2 QBs i think most teams have learned that the real value in the draft is getting a 10 year starter on either line. wrs, rbs come and go but a wilfork or a michael dean perry? a joe thomas and a kevin mack? you better jump when those guys are there.
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I like Hundley and would love to see him rocking the brown and orange, but Im still not sure the Browns are willing to spend first round picks on a QB in consecutive years. It is smoke screen season but I believed Pettine when he said they were focusing on building an elite defense.
WR at 12? No thanks.
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Please God no to Perriman-nothing but a combine warrior who is rising because he ran really fast. The tape shows a guy who has a hard time catching the ball and doesn't run good routes. This guy is the next Greg Little, Heyward-Bay waiting to happen.
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So, Tour2ma, would that draft bring joy to your heart?
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i don't know about that. besides the 2 QBs i think most teams have learned that the real value in the draft is getting a 10 year starter on either line. wrs, rbs come and go but a wilfork or a michael dean perry? a joe thomas and a kevin mack? you better jump when those guys are there.
i don't know about that. besides the 2 QBs i think most teams have learned that the real value in the draft is getting a 10 year starter on either line. wrs, rbs come and go but a wilfork or a michael dean perry? a joe thomas and a kevin mack? you better jump when those guys are there.
Joe Thomas has done a lot for us, hasn't he?
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i don't know about that. besides the 2 QBs i think most teams have learned that the real value in the draft is getting a 10 year starter on either line. wrs, rbs come and go but a wilfork or a michael dean perry? a joe thomas and a kevin mack? you better jump when those guys are there.
Joe Thomas has done a lot for us, hasn't he?
Joe Thomas has done a lot for us, hasn't he?
a lot more than any other player being drafted since then. isn't a LT the cornerstone of an offense?
how's your manziel doing? did watkins put the bills over the top? keep it coming. you want to show stats? then let's do stats!
oh, i know, you're in love with mariota this year. just like you were with bortles last year. ask him if he'd want a thomas and a mack on his line.
yeah i thought so.........
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For those closely following this year's draft, who's higher up on most draft boards, Kevin White or Amari Cooper? I honestly feel one of those two will fall to us in the draft, in which case, I'd draft a WR.
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Joe Thomas has done a lot for us, hasn't he?
a lot more than any other player being drafted since then. isn't a LT the cornerstone of an offense?
how's your manziel doing? did watkins put the bills over the top? keep it coming. you want to show stats? then let's do stats!
oh, i know, you're in love with mariota this year. just like you were with bortles last year. ask him if he'd want a thomas and a mack on his line.
yeah i thought so.........
a lot more than any other player being drafted since then. isn't a LT the cornerstone of an offense?
how's your manziel doing? did watkins put the bills over the top? keep it coming. you want to show stats? then let's do stats!
oh, i know, you're in love with mariota this year. just like you were with bortles last year. ask him if he'd want a thomas and a mack on his line.
yeah i thought so.........
I don't know who "my Manziel" is. Prior to the moment he was drafted, I was against us taking him. However, once he became a Brown, I began to cheer for him...because I'm not a butthurt whiny bitch like a lot of people around here. I root for Cleveland Browns, I don't hold personal vendettas because I wanted someone else. If you notice, I don't say shit about Bortles anymore...because he's in Jacksonville, not Cleveland.
All your argument is proving is what I've been saying since my first post 5 years ago...no single person can turn a 4-12 team into a 12-4 team.
The "real value" in the draft is eliminating weak links - getting exponentially better at a position group you were previously weak at. We could anchor our line with 5 first round future HOFers and it wouldn't matter if the rest of our team was shit, just as we can throw a world-beating college QB behind a garbage line and they wouldn't acheive shit.
Joe Thomas physically can't do any better than what he's been...and that's gotten us nowhere. Until we raise the talent level at QB, DT, ILB, and TE, we'll be a shit team. Those are more important positions to us at this current moment than "wasting" a first round pick on an offensive lineman.
Joe Thomas is my idol, so I was giving you Ghoolie-level shit.
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Please God no to Perriman-nothing but a combine warrior who is rising because he ran really fast. The tape shows a guy who has a hard time catching the ball and doesn't run good routes. This guy is the next Greg Little, Heyward-Bay waiting to happen.
Please God no to Perriman-nothing but a combine warrior who is rising because he ran really fast. The tape shows a guy who has a hard time catching the ball and doesn't run good routes. This guy is the next Greg Little, Heyward-Bay waiting to happen.
Quoted for truth. The guy can not catch. We have more than enough speed on this team. We need a reliable Marvin Harrison-type receiver on this team.
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Cooper is the safest receiver in the draft, good route runner and hands. Don't think he gets past Giants, Rams then Vikings though. One of those will take him, probably NYG.
They know Odell next year is going to be gameplanned for so need to give teams other things to worry about to free him up somewhat.
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