Edwards for Kiwi?
-
"Rumor one has the Giants trading Kiwanuka to the Browns for Edwards. Since the Browns are completely retooling, Cleveland would demand a draft pick from the Giants, as well. The Browns desperately need help on defense and Braylon Edwards could probably use a change of scenery. Newsday reported on Thursday that the Giants are not interested in a Kiwanuka for Edwards deal. The story suggests, however, that New York would part with draft picks in order to bring Edwards to the Giants."
I don't buy the trade, but I could see some sort of other deal, especially since now we're in a great position to draft Crabtree. Give us two picks and Sinorice Moss and we'll give you Edwards. That sort of thing.
-
"Rumor one has the Giants trading Kiwanuka to the Browns for Edwards. Since the Browns are completely retooling, Cleveland would demand a draft pick from the Giants, as well. The Browns desperately need help on defense and Braylon Edwards could probably use a change of scenery. Newsday reported on Thursday that the Giants are not interested in a Kiwanuka for Edwards deal. The story suggests, however, that New York would part with draft picks in order to bring Edwards to the Giants."
I don't buy the trade, but I could see some sort of other deal, especially since now we're in a great position to draft Crabtree. Give us two picks and Sinorice Moss and we'll give you Edwards. That sort of thing.
"Rumor one has the Giants trading Kiwanuka to the Browns for Edwards. Since the Browns are completely retooling, Cleveland would demand a draft pick from the Giants, as well. The Browns desperately need help on defense and Braylon Edwards could probably use a change of scenery. Newsday reported on Thursday that the Giants are not interested in a Kiwanuka for Edwards deal. The story suggests, however, that New York would part with draft picks in order to bring Edwards to the Giants."
I don't buy the trade, but I could see some sort of other deal, especially since now we're in a great position to draft Crabtree. Give us two picks and Sinorice Moss and we'll give you Edwards. That sort of thing.
Philly is also looking for a #1 WR as is Minn and other teams. If the Browns want to trade Edwards, there will be suiters.
-
i think a trade would be dumb. if we give BE to guys looking for a #1 reciever, then we're looking for exactly what we just traded away. makes no sense. unless we can lock up another throught the draft, and i don't think we'll end up taking crabtree
-
there's two considerations here: if we make the trade before we're completely certain to get crabtree, we have no true #1 receiver and our offense is screwed. however, if we make the trade once we're sure to get crabtree, we lose leverage and can't get the same value for edwards.
however, keeping the fifth pick, getting crabtree and getting any combination of 1/3, 1/4, 2/3 or 2/4 would allow us to vastly improve our defense while building for the future, nurturing a young WR, letting him develop a rapport with whoever's going to be our QB and possibly improving our offensive line.
if we get the opportunity to make this trade, with what we've seen from our FO and the direction they want to go in, i think we have to make it. if we can get equitable compensation for edwards while also replacing him with a similar player, there's little to no reason why we wouldn't pull the trigger, especially considering his perceived desire to get out of cleveland as fast as he can and play in a bigger market.
-
there's two considerations here: if we make the trade before we're completely certain to get crabtree, we have no true #1 receiver and our offense is screwed. however, if we make the trade once we're sure to get crabtree, we lose leverage and can't get the same value for edwards.
however, keeping the fifth pick, getting crabtree and getting any combination of 1/3, 1/4, 2/3 or 2/4 would allow us to vastly improve our defense while building for the future, nurturing a young WR, letting him develop a rapport with whoever's going to be our QB and possibly improving our offensive line.
if we get the opportunity to make this trade, with what we've seen from our FO and the direction they want to go in, i think we have to make it. if we can get equitable compensation for edwards while also replacing him with a similar player, there's little to no reason why we wouldn't pull the trigger, especially considering his perceived desire to get out of cleveland as fast as he can and play in a bigger market.
there's two considerations here: if we make the trade before we're completely certain to get crabtree, we have no true #1 receiver and our offense is screwed. however, if we make the trade once we're sure to get crabtree, we lose leverage and can't get the same value for edwards.
however, keeping the fifth pick, getting crabtree and getting any combination of 1/3, 1/4, 2/3 or 2/4 would allow us to vastly improve our defense while building for the future, nurturing a young WR, letting him develop a rapport with whoever's going to be our QB and possibly improving our offensive line.
if we get the opportunity to make this trade, with what we've seen from our FO and the direction they want to go in, i think we have to make it. if we can get equitable compensation for edwards while also replacing him with a similar player, there's little to no reason why we wouldn't pull the trigger, especially considering his perceived desire to get out of cleveland as fast as he can and play in a bigger market.
Im not completely sold on crabtree as an athlete the kid has great hands and the type of attitude mangini would like but he is not real fast and may have tuffness/durability issues theres a good chance he wont last in the nfl he seems he could be injury prone in the nfl mosh pit...for a WR maclin is a far better bet to stay healthy and be a consistant contributor to a successful team...
I would take either over BE any given day Edwards has always been Mr.Dropsy if the ball isnt 5 feet over his head he cant handle it and we need to replace him asap..
-
there's two considerations here: if we make the trade before we're completely certain to get crabtree, we have no true #1 receiver and our offense is screwed. however, if we make the trade once we're sure to get crabtree, we lose leverage and can't get the same value for edwards.
however, keeping the fifth pick, getting crabtree and getting any combination of 1/3, 1/4, 2/3 or 2/4 would allow us to vastly improve our defense while building for the future, nurturing a young WR, letting him develop a rapport with whoever's going to be our QB and possibly improving our offensive line.
if we get the opportunity to make this trade, with what we've seen from our FO and the direction they want to go in, i think we have to make it. if we can get equitable compensation for edwards while also replacing him with a similar player, there's little to no reason why we wouldn't pull the trigger, especially considering his perceived desire to get out of cleveland as fast as he can and play in a bigger market.
Im not completely sold on crabtree as an athlete the kid has great hands and the type of attitude mangini would like but he is not real fast and may have tuffness/durability issues theres a good chance he wont last in the nfl he seems he could be injury prone in the nfl mosh pit...for a WR maclin is a far better bet to stay healthy and be a consistant contributor to a successful team...
I would take either over BE any given day Edwards has always been Mr.Dropsy if the ball isnt 5 feet over his head he cant handle it and we need to replace him asap..
Im not completely sold on crabtree as an athlete the kid has great hands and the type of attitude mangini would like but he is not real fast and may have tuffness/durability issues theres a good chance he wont last in the nfl he seems he could be injury prone in the nfl mosh pit...for a WR maclin is a far better bet to stay healthy and be a consistant contributor to a successful team...
Man, I could not disagree more. But that what makes America beautiful.
-
there's two considerations here: if we make the trade before we're completely certain to get crabtree, we have no true #1 receiver and our offense is screwed. however, if we make the trade once we're sure to get crabtree, we lose leverage and can't get the same value for edwards.
however, keeping the fifth pick, getting crabtree and getting any combination of 1/3, 1/4, 2/3 or 2/4 would allow us to vastly improve our defense while building for the future, nurturing a young WR, letting him develop a rapport with whoever's going to be our QB and possibly improving our offensive line.
if we get the opportunity to make this trade, with what we've seen from our FO and the direction they want to go in, i think we have to make it. if we can get equitable compensation for edwards while also replacing him with a similar player, there's little to no reason why we wouldn't pull the trigger, especially considering his perceived desire to get out of cleveland as fast as he can and play in a bigger market.
Im not completely sold on crabtree as an athlete the kid has great hands and the type of attitude mangini would like but he is not real fast and may have tuffness/durability issues theres a good chance he wont last in the nfl he seems he could be injury prone in the nfl mosh pit...for a WR maclin is a far better bet to stay healthy and be a consistant contributor to a successful team...
I would take either over BE any given day Edwards has always been Mr.Dropsy if the ball isnt 5 feet over his head he cant handle it and we need to replace him asap..
Im not completely sold on crabtree as an athlete the kid has great hands and the type of attitude mangini would like but he is not real fast and may have tuffness/durability issues theres a good chance he wont last in the nfl he seems he could be injury prone in the nfl mosh pit...for a WR maclin is a far better bet to stay healthy and be a consistant contributor to a successful team...
much like mz the pussy, i also couldn't disagree more. รผber-fast guys often get away with running unpolished routes in college because they're fast enough to run away from everyone, but they then struggle in the NFL because everyone in the league is fast, while guys who actually study the position, run crisp, precise routes, can use their bodies to shield the ball from defenders and will compete to make the catch have more success.
it's why housh had the success he did in cinci, hines ward excelled in pittsburgh and why michael irvin was successful, to cite three examples.
i just did a quick search for crabtree's injury history, but aside from the stress fracture, i didn't find anything, so it shouldn't be all that much of a concern. obviously, you'd prefer someone who's never been injured, but a one-time thing, as long as it's not the obvious beginning of a debilitating condition, shouldn't be too worrisome.
-
There's no "injury history" with Crabtree. That's garbage. He has a current injury, that's all.
-
Yeah, I think Crabtree's bust factor is very low. He may not be a Calvin Johnson-type prospect, but he's got strong hands and blocks very well downfield. That, and he was amazingly productive at Texas Tech as a virtual novice at receiver (he played quarterback in high school).
The only thing that could be an issue is attitude. I haven't heard anything concrete, but there are rumblings that he's got a little bit of an attitude. But he's not a Percy Harvin/Kenny Britt kind of asshole.
-
With Winslow gone and Jurevicius 147 years old it's also a huge area of need.
-
@shepwrite said:
I remember us drafting a can't miss uber-star game changing circus catcher at #3... and now we can't wait to get rid of him.Sure, but do YOU want to/think it's smart to get rid of him? I sure as shit don't...
-
@shepwrite said:
I like him. Just not at #5.But if he's the best player available and a trade down isn't possible............................
-
Honestly, if we can get another Day One pick this year and any other decent pick or picks for BE, I say get rid of him and then figure it out.
Look, Year One of any new FO is a de facto rebuilding year.
And the only way to enjoy a rebuilding year is to focus on the BUILDING.
And for building you need bricks, and lots of 'em.
So, I support the start from scratch philosophy 100%.
I mean, good Lord, can you imagine starting any combination of Quinn, Crabtree, Orakpo, Wells, Greene, CMIII, Sintim, etc. THIS year? Four or even FIVE rookie talents in ONE draft, not even counting Day Two guys?
And then watching them all play together for 4-10 years, along with JT, DQ, EW, BMac, et. al.?
That would be worth my entertainment dollar, for sure. Far better than watching BE try to catch and DA try to throw again, anyway.
-
Here's what Kokinis said at the Combine when a reporter asked him about Crabtree's "speed issue":
Kokinis said:
"Speed issue? The only speed issue I've seen so far is him running by people, so I'm not sure what speed issue you're referring to. I think when he does time, whether here or at his school, you match it to the tape, match it to his competition, and try to project it against NFL corners and safeties and linebackers and stuff like that.I'm not too concerned about Michael's speed right now because right now on tape I see him running pretty good."
-
@shepwrite said:
I remember us drafting a can't miss uber-star game changing circus catcher at #3... and now we can't wait to get rid of him.Sure, but do YOU want to/think it's smart to get rid of him? I sure as shit don't...
mz. said:
Sure, but do YOU want to/think it's smart to get rid of him? I sure as shit don't...Absoxxxxinlootly....if we are only going to get a late round third next year when BE bolts to a big city market to promote his modeling carreer...hell yes. get a second rounder for his ass right now and draft Hakkem nicks in the second !
-
Good thread.
Over on NFL Network Dukes & Davis have Curry "falling" to us. It seems Chiefs HC Haley will take Crabtree because of his success in AZ with Fitz & Boldin.
I sure hope so.
-
i think a trade would be dumb. if we give BE to guys looking for a #1 reciever, then we're looking for exactly what we just traded away. makes no sense. unless we can lock up another throught the draft, and i don't think we'll end up taking crabtree
i think a trade would be dumb. if we give BE to guys looking for a #1 reciever, then we're looking for exactly what we just traded away. makes no sense. unless we can lock up another throught the draft, and i don't think we'll end up taking crabtree
I agree with your reasoning.
What isn't mentioned is if Edwards is a Mangini type player.
I tend to think not and would place the odds pretty high Edwards is in a new uniform to start the season.
-
i think a trade would be dumb. if we give BE to guys looking for a #1 reciever, then we're looking for exactly what we just traded away. makes no sense. unless we can lock up another throught the draft, and i don't think we'll end up taking crabtree
i think a trade would be dumb. if we give BE to guys looking for a #1 reciever, then we're looking for exactly what we just traded away. makes no sense. unless we can lock up another throught the draft, and i don't think we'll end up taking crabtree
Yea but if your able to get a player and a draft pick or just 2 draft picks then your able to address 2 positions on your team for 1.
The cowboys gave a 1st, 3rd, and 6th for Roy Williams and a 7th, If we can get a 1st and 3rd id do it in a heartbeat.
Hello! It looks like you're interested in this conversation, but you don't have an account yet.
Getting fed up of having to scroll through the same posts each visit? When you register for an account, you'll always come back to exactly where you were before, and choose to be notified of new replies (either via email, or push notification). You'll also be able to save bookmarks and upvote posts to show your appreciation to other community members.
With your input, this post could be even better ๐
Register Login