Edwards for Kiwi?
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There's no "injury history" with Crabtree. That's garbage. He has a current injury, that's all.
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Yeah, I think Crabtree's bust factor is very low. He may not be a Calvin Johnson-type prospect, but he's got strong hands and blocks very well downfield. That, and he was amazingly productive at Texas Tech as a virtual novice at receiver (he played quarterback in high school).
The only thing that could be an issue is attitude. I haven't heard anything concrete, but there are rumblings that he's got a little bit of an attitude. But he's not a Percy Harvin/Kenny Britt kind of asshole.
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With Winslow gone and Jurevicius 147 years old it's also a huge area of need.
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@shepwrite said:
I remember us drafting a can't miss uber-star game changing circus catcher at #3... and now we can't wait to get rid of him.Sure, but do YOU want to/think it's smart to get rid of him? I sure as shit don't...
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@shepwrite said:
I like him. Just not at #5.But if he's the best player available and a trade down isn't possible............................
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Honestly, if we can get another Day One pick this year and any other decent pick or picks for BE, I say get rid of him and then figure it out.
Look, Year One of any new FO is a de facto rebuilding year.
And the only way to enjoy a rebuilding year is to focus on the BUILDING.
And for building you need bricks, and lots of 'em.
So, I support the start from scratch philosophy 100%.
I mean, good Lord, can you imagine starting any combination of Quinn, Crabtree, Orakpo, Wells, Greene, CMIII, Sintim, etc. THIS year? Four or even FIVE rookie talents in ONE draft, not even counting Day Two guys?
And then watching them all play together for 4-10 years, along with JT, DQ, EW, BMac, et. al.?
That would be worth my entertainment dollar, for sure. Far better than watching BE try to catch and DA try to throw again, anyway.
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Here's what Kokinis said at the Combine when a reporter asked him about Crabtree's "speed issue":
Kokinis said:
"Speed issue? The only speed issue I've seen so far is him running by people, so I'm not sure what speed issue you're referring to. I think when he does time, whether here or at his school, you match it to the tape, match it to his competition, and try to project it against NFL corners and safeties and linebackers and stuff like that.I'm not too concerned about Michael's speed right now because right now on tape I see him running pretty good."
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@shepwrite said:
I remember us drafting a can't miss uber-star game changing circus catcher at #3... and now we can't wait to get rid of him.Sure, but do YOU want to/think it's smart to get rid of him? I sure as shit don't...
mz. said:
Sure, but do YOU want to/think it's smart to get rid of him? I sure as shit don't...Absoxxxxinlootly....if we are only going to get a late round third next year when BE bolts to a big city market to promote his modeling carreer...hell yes. get a second rounder for his ass right now and draft Hakkem nicks in the second !
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Good thread.
Over on NFL Network Dukes & Davis have Curry "falling" to us. It seems Chiefs HC Haley will take Crabtree because of his success in AZ with Fitz & Boldin.
I sure hope so.
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i think a trade would be dumb. if we give BE to guys looking for a #1 reciever, then we're looking for exactly what we just traded away. makes no sense. unless we can lock up another throught the draft, and i don't think we'll end up taking crabtree
i think a trade would be dumb. if we give BE to guys looking for a #1 reciever, then we're looking for exactly what we just traded away. makes no sense. unless we can lock up another throught the draft, and i don't think we'll end up taking crabtree
I agree with your reasoning.
What isn't mentioned is if Edwards is a Mangini type player.
I tend to think not and would place the odds pretty high Edwards is in a new uniform to start the season.
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i think a trade would be dumb. if we give BE to guys looking for a #1 reciever, then we're looking for exactly what we just traded away. makes no sense. unless we can lock up another throught the draft, and i don't think we'll end up taking crabtree
i think a trade would be dumb. if we give BE to guys looking for a #1 reciever, then we're looking for exactly what we just traded away. makes no sense. unless we can lock up another throught the draft, and i don't think we'll end up taking crabtree
Yea but if your able to get a player and a draft pick or just 2 draft picks then your able to address 2 positions on your team for 1.
The cowboys gave a 1st, 3rd, and 6th for Roy Williams and a 7th, If we can get a 1st and 3rd id do it in a heartbeat.
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I agree, and the Giants have picks to work with.....
1st round....#29
2nd round...#45 and #60
3rd round....#91
I could see #29 and #45 straight up, or #29,#60, and #91
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I take Shep's point about Crabtree - I don't think he's at the level that Fitz was coming out of college, and I don't think it's a good comparison either. I don't think he's the physical specimen that Fitz was/is.
But I'd still take him at #5.
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We have Edwards, Stallworth, Jurevicius, Cribbs, Steptoe, Legget, and Hubbard who I think will be a go to receiver for us in the next year or two. So drafting a WR in the first round would be rediculous with all the other needs we have.
WR isn't a must and you gotta draft a must at 5.
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I am huge on the Edwards needs to go camp, but let's make sure it's out of conference. I went from thinking this guy was going to win us a Super Bowl last year to literal disgust with him. He's just not my type of player nor a Cleveland type of guy. He did his best to try to fit in with giving to the east side schools (which is something he still deserves major kudos for) but the dude's just too much of a prima donna for me. The blaming of fans for being perturbed with him because he is a Michigan alum reeked of adolescent spoiletry and I still can't get over it. I mean, let's get real here, the stats on his drops don't come close to telling the story of how many balls he put on the ground last year. He was friggin terrible, point blank. Not only did he make Glue Hands Hubbard look like Glue Fingers Lavelli, he was a complete puss in establishing route position and absorbing hits.
It's an absolute no brainer to move this guy right now IMO. His value is at its peak and we get rid of an underachieving pretty boy. His contract will be off the books and we get commensurate value for him while we still can before his contract is up. It's easy to spin his season last year as a fluke to other teams and attribute it to the collapse, but this guy still has major value in league circles even though we know the guy will ALWAYS drop footballs. If Winslow can demand a 2 and 5?, what will Edwards command?
If we can snag a 2 and 3 or 2 and 4 I say fire away right now. I'm still holding out hope DA can bring us a 2, but say it's even a 3 what are we looking at here? We could quite possibly have 5 first day picks, and that's being conservative. Right now, I'm not comfortable with anybody at pick 5 and would love to move down and grab another 1st day pick.
If we do stand pat, I'm comfortable with Crabtree coming right in and taking the number one role over Edwards. The kid can catch, and that's the main thing this team needs is stability that Quinn can count on to catch. Crabtree should be ready as a rookie and his 5 pick contract would be similar to what Edwards signed as the third pick, so in theory we'll be saving in the long run. By the slight chance in hell that Edwards stays and has a huge year, there is no way he resigns with us without breaking the bank, so his value is now. People afraid that we have nothing to replace Edwards with shouldn't fret, the guy flat out sucked last year. I feel a lot of his decline was attributable to DA stemming from the 2007 lay outs, I really do.
I am for a clean out on this roster and stockpiling high picks (but not high enough to glutton the cap) to go along with this new regime. Please move DA and enough of pretending Lewis has anything left, so there's more cap space to be had.
The chance is now for this new regime to stock this team with their own young talent to fit what they're doing. They can gut this thing and do it right, all while keeping the cap in good shape. It just makes too much sense to me, and this is the perfect draft to do it.
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I am huge on the Edwards needs to go camp, but let's make sure it's out of conference. I went from thinking this guy was going to win us a Super Bowl last year to literal disgust with him. He's just not my type of player nor a Cleveland type of guy. He did his best to try to fit in with giving to the east side schools (which is something he still deserves major kudos for) but the dude's just too much of a prima donna for me. The blaming of fans for being perturbed with him because he is a Michigan alum reeked of adolescent spoiletry and I still can't get over it. I mean, let's get real here, the stats on his drops don't come close to telling the story of how many balls he put on the ground last year. He was friggin terrible, point blank. Not only did he make Glue Hands Hubbard look like Glue Fingers Lavelli, he was a complete puss in establishing route position and absorbing hits.
It's an absolute no brainer to move this guy right now IMO. His value is at its peak and we get rid of an underachieving pretty boy. His contract will be off the books and we get commensurate value for him while we still can before his contract is up. It's easy to spin his season last year as a fluke to other teams and attribute it to the collapse, but this guy still has major value in league circles even though we know the guy will ALWAYS drop footballs. If Winslow can demand a 2 and 5?, what will Edwards command?
If we can snag a 2 and 3 or 2 and 4 I say fire away right now. I'm still holding out hope DA can bring us a 2, but say it's even a 3 what are we looking at here? We could quite possibly have 5 first day picks, and that's being conservative. Right now, I'm not comfortable with anybody at pick 5 and would love to move down and grab another 1st day pick.
If we do stand pat, I'm comfortable with Crabtree coming right in and taking the number one role over Edwards. The kid can catch, and that's the main thing this team needs is stability that Quinn can count on to catch. Crabtree should be ready as a rookie and his 5 pick contract would be similar to what Edwards signed as the third pick, so in theory we'll be saving in the long run. By the slight chance in hell that Edwards stays and has a huge year, there is no way he resigns with us without breaking the bank, so his value is now. People afraid that we have nothing to replace Edwards with shouldn't fret, the guy flat out sucked last year. I feel a lot of his decline was attributable to DA stemming from the 2007 lay outs, I really do.
I am for a clean out on this roster and stockpiling high picks (but not high enough to glutton the cap) to go along with this new regime. Please move DA and enough of pretending Lewis has anything left, so there's more cap space to be had.
The chance is now for this new regime to stock this team with their own young talent to fit what they're doing. They can gut this thing and do it right, all while keeping the cap in good shape. It just makes too much sense to me, and this is the perfect draft to do it.
I am huge on the Edwards needs to go camp, but let's make sure it's out of conference. I went from thinking this guy was going to win us a Super Bowl last year to literal disgust with him. He's just not my type of player nor a Cleveland type of guy. He did his best to try to fit in with giving to the east side schools (which is something he still deserves major kudos for) but the dude's just too much of a prima donna for me. The blaming of fans for being perturbed with him because he is a Michigan alum reeked of adolescent spoiletry and I still can't get over it. I mean, let's get real here, the stats on his drops don't come close to telling the story of how many balls he put on the ground last year. He was friggin terrible, point blank. Not only did he make Glue Hands Hubbard look like Glue Fingers Lavelli, he was a complete puss in establishing route position and absorbing hits.
It's an absolute no brainer to move this guy right now IMO. His value is at its peak and we get rid of an underachieving pretty boy. His contract will be off the books and we get commensurate value for him while we still can before his contract is up. It's easy to spin his season last year as a fluke to other teams and attribute it to the collapse, but this guy still has major value in league circles even though we know the guy will ALWAYS drop footballs. If Winslow can demand a 2 and 5?, what will Edwards command?
If we can snag a 2 and 3 or 2 and 4 I say fire away right now. I'm still holding out hope DA can bring us a 2, but say it's even a 3 what are we looking at here? We could quite possibly have 5 first day picks, and that's being conservative. Right now, I'm not comfortable with anybody at pick 5 and would love to move down and grab another 1st day pick.
If we do stand pat, I'm comfortable with Crabtree coming right in and taking the number one role over Edwards. The kid can catch, and that's the main thing this team needs is stability that Quinn can count on to catch. Crabtree should be ready as a rookie and his 5 pick contract would be similar to what Edwards signed as the third pick, so in theory we'll be saving in the long run. By the slight chance in hell that Edwards stays and has a huge year, there is no way he resigns with us without breaking the bank, so his value is now. People afraid that we have nothing to replace Edwards with shouldn't fret, the guy flat out sucked last year. I feel a lot of his decline was attributable to DA stemming from the 2007 lay outs, I really do.
I am for a clean out on this roster and stockpiling high picks (but not high enough to glutton the cap) to go along with this new regime. Please move DA and enough of pretending Lewis has anything left, so there's more cap space to be had.
The chance is now for this new regime to stock this team with their own young talent to fit what they're doing. They can gut this thing and do it right, all while keeping the cap in good shape. It just makes too much sense to me, and this is the perfect draft to do it.
Since Dallas gave a 1st, 3rd, 6th for Roy Williams thats what Kokinis will expect for Edwards, and if they cant get it I think he'll be here next year. With him coming in next year wanting to prove what he can do again, I think he's poised to redeem himself, then we can sign him to a long term contract or of he wants out we can franchise him and trade him for alot more value than this year
1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico -
I am huge on the Edwards needs to go camp, but let's make sure it's out of conference. I went from thinking this guy was going to win us a Super Bowl last year to literal disgust with him. He's just not my type of player nor a Cleveland type of guy. He did his best to try to fit in with giving to the east side schools (which is something he still deserves major kudos for) but the dude's just too much of a prima donna for me. The blaming of fans for being perturbed with him because he is a Michigan alum reeked of adolescent spoiletry and I still can't get over it. I mean, let's get real here, the stats on his drops don't come close to telling the story of how many balls he put on the ground last year. He was friggin terrible, point blank. Not only did he make Glue Hands Hubbard look like Glue Fingers Lavelli, he was a complete puss in establishing route position and absorbing hits.
It's an absolute no brainer to move this guy right now IMO. His value is at its peak and we get rid of an underachieving pretty boy. His contract will be off the books and we get commensurate value for him while we still can before his contract is up. It's easy to spin his season last year as a fluke to other teams and attribute it to the collapse, but this guy still has major value in league circles even though we know the guy will ALWAYS drop footballs. If Winslow can demand a 2 and 5?, what will Edwards command?
If we can snag a 2 and 3 or 2 and 4 I say fire away right now. I'm still holding out hope DA can bring us a 2, but say it's even a 3 what are we looking at here? We could quite possibly have 5 first day picks, and that's being conservative. Right now, I'm not comfortable with anybody at pick 5 and would love to move down and grab another 1st day pick.
If we do stand pat, I'm comfortable with Crabtree coming right in and taking the number one role over Edwards. The kid can catch, and that's the main thing this team needs is stability that Quinn can count on to catch. Crabtree should be ready as a rookie and his 5 pick contract would be similar to what Edwards signed as the third pick, so in theory we'll be saving in the long run. By the slight chance in hell that Edwards stays and has a huge year, there is no way he resigns with us without breaking the bank, so his value is now. People afraid that we have nothing to replace Edwards with shouldn't fret, the guy flat out sucked last year. I feel a lot of his decline was attributable to DA stemming from the 2007 lay outs, I really do.
I am for a clean out on this roster and stockpiling high picks (but not high enough to glutton the cap) to go along with this new regime. Please move DA and enough of pretending Lewis has anything left, so there's more cap space to be had.
The chance is now for this new regime to stock this team with their own young talent to fit what they're doing. They can gut this thing and do it right, all while keeping the cap in good shape. It just makes too much sense to me, and this is the perfect draft to do it.
Since Dallas gave a 1st, 3rd, 6th for Roy Williams thats what Kokinis will expect for Edwards, and if they cant get it I think he'll be here next year. With him coming in next year wanting to prove what he can do again, I think he's poised to redeem himself, then we can sign him to a long term contract or of he wants out we can franchise him and trade him for alot more value than this year
nmills said:
Since Dallas gave a 1st, 3rd, 6th for Roy Williams thats what Kokinis will expect for Edwards, and if they cant get it I think he'll be here next year. With him coming in next year wanting to prove what he can do again, I think he's poised to redeem himself, then we can sign him to a long term contract or of he wants out we can franchise him and trade him for alot more value than this yearMan he reminds me of Plaxico when he was in Pittsburgh. Always plays well when in a contract year. All the talent in the world but too many distractions that affect his play week to week.
In other words, a player who thinks he's bigger then the game.
How much did Pittsburgh suffer when Plaxico left. Now, look at what he has done to New York. Guys like this don't know how to live with their fame. They play when they have to. Just enough to get us to want them because when they're right they can win a game for you.
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I am huge on the Edwards needs to go camp, but let's make sure it's out of conference. I went from thinking this guy was going to win us a Super Bowl last year to literal disgust with him. He's just not my type of player nor a Cleveland type of guy. He did his best to try to fit in with giving to the east side schools (which is something he still deserves major kudos for) but the dude's just too much of a prima donna for me. The blaming of fans for being perturbed with him because he is a Michigan alum reeked of adolescent spoiletry and I still can't get over it. I mean, let's get real here, the stats on his drops don't come close to telling the story of how many balls he put on the ground last year. He was friggin terrible, point blank. Not only did he make Glue Hands Hubbard look like Glue Fingers Lavelli, he was a complete puss in establishing route position and absorbing hits.
It's an absolute no brainer to move this guy right now IMO. His value is at its peak and we get rid of an underachieving pretty boy. His contract will be off the books and we get commensurate value for him while we still can before his contract is up. It's easy to spin his season last year as a fluke to other teams and attribute it to the collapse, but this guy still has major value in league circles even though we know the guy will ALWAYS drop footballs. If Winslow can demand a 2 and 5?, what will Edwards command?
If we can snag a 2 and 3 or 2 and 4 I say fire away right now. I'm still holding out hope DA can bring us a 2, but say it's even a 3 what are we looking at here? We could quite possibly have 5 first day picks, and that's being conservative. Right now, I'm not comfortable with anybody at pick 5 and would love to move down and grab another 1st day pick.
If we do stand pat, I'm comfortable with Crabtree coming right in and taking the number one role over Edwards. The kid can catch, and that's the main thing this team needs is stability that Quinn can count on to catch. Crabtree should be ready as a rookie and his 5 pick contract would be similar to what Edwards signed as the third pick, so in theory we'll be saving in the long run. By the slight chance in hell that Edwards stays and has a huge year, there is no way he resigns with us without breaking the bank, so his value is now. People afraid that we have nothing to replace Edwards with shouldn't fret, the guy flat out sucked last year. I feel a lot of his decline was attributable to DA stemming from the 2007 lay outs, I really do.
I am for a clean out on this roster and stockpiling high picks (but not high enough to glutton the cap) to go along with this new regime. Please move DA and enough of pretending Lewis has anything left, so there's more cap space to be had.
The chance is now for this new regime to stock this team with their own young talent to fit what they're doing. They can gut this thing and do it right, all while keeping the cap in good shape. It just makes too much sense to me, and this is the perfect draft to do it.
Since Dallas gave a 1st, 3rd, 6th for Roy Williams thats what Kokinis will expect for Edwards, and if they cant get it I think he'll be here next year. With him coming in next year wanting to prove what he can do again, I think he's poised to redeem himself, then we can sign him to a long term contract or of he wants out we can franchise him and trade him for alot more value than this year
nmills said:
Since Dallas gave a 1st, 3rd, 6th for Roy Williams thats what Kokinis will expect for Edwards, and if they cant get it I think he'll be here next year. With him coming in next year wanting to prove what he can do again, I think he's poised to redeem himself, then we can sign him to a long term contract or of he wants out we can franchise him and trade him for alot more value than this yearYou can't compare what Dallas gave up for Williams to Edwards' situation. First of all, Dallas just made one of the worst trades in recent memory, and that's no BS.
Edwards is not going to all of a sudden catch everything thrown to him. Dude has been dropping balls since high school and I'm sick of this franchise trotting out guys who can't hang onto the ball. Dating back to Michael Tyson Dyson Jackson, through Dr. Q, Bryant, Northcant and Edwards, it's a never ending cycle. Now we have people waiting on the great Paulie Hubbard to be our next savior. Another in the long line of guys who look the part but can't play the part.
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