Browns 2015 Dream Draft
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About Collins - he is a solid upgrade at OG and ROT, with the ability
to flip to the LT postion if he needed to, he could step in at LOG and Bitonio
could move to LT if that is really an option.... Those guys don't grow on trees -
and the Browns need him insurance wise in case Joe Thomas GOD FOREBID,
gets malaria or something and has to sit out a while....
"they say" that Collins is one of the safest picks in the first round.
I really like Cameron Irving, but I would be surprised if he is still there
at the middle of round two. No way he gets to the third round, I think.
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http://nflspinzone.com/2015/04/06/cleveland-browns-seven-round-2015-nfl-mock-draft/2/
This draft has us going offense with all early picks
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It's hard to mock for the Browns because we have 10 picks and are likely not going to draft 10 players. There will be a trade somewhere and my guess is its for a QB...
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You mean.... offense...too -many- three and outs?
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I see a lot of defenseive picks. I guess I'm the only one that thinks 3 and outs on this team are a problem.
I see a lot of defenseive picks. I guess I'm the only one that thinks 3 and outs on this team are a problem.
It really boils down to the team & coaches philosophy....which is defense.....
And both Pettine and Farmer have publicly stated(recently) that they are focused on building a dominant defense and will approach this draft with that goal in mind.....
And the reality is that our run defense was clearly our achilles heel this past season. The O moved the ball really well and we were a top scoring scoring team...until our QB forgot how to play.......
So, yeah....3 and outs were an issue....but QB seems to be the reason.....and thats just 1 pick(if there is even one they like)....
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I see a lot of defenseive picks. I guess I'm the only one that thinks 3 and outs on this team are a problem.
It really boils down to the team & coaches philosophy....which is defense.....
And both Pettine and Farmer have publicly stated(recently) that they are focused on building a dominant defense and will approach this draft with that goal in mind.....
And the reality is that our run defense was clearly our achilles heel this past season. The O moved the ball really well and we were a top scoring scoring team...until our QB forgot how to play.......
So, yeah....3 and outs were an issue....but QB seems to be the reason.....and thats just 1 pick(if there is even one they like)....
It really boils down to the team & coaches philosophy....which is defense.....
And both Pettine and Farmer have publicly stated(recently) that they are focused on building a dominant defense and will approach this draft with that goal in mind.....
And the reality is that our run defense was clearly our achilles heel this past season. The O moved the ball really well and we were a top scoring scoring team...until our QB forgot how to play.......
So, yeah....3 and outs were an issue....but QB seems to be the reason.....and thats just 1 pick(if there is even one they like)....
QB play deteriorated after our run game deteriorated after our O-line couldn't cope with Mack's injury. The PAP which was working so well early in the season faltered, and teams challenged us to beat them in the air, which we couldn't. So, either new QB and/or more consistent run game.
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I kind of chalk that up to Mack getting hurt......which(I assume) will be corrected with his return and the development of some backup players like Bowe(for example).....and possibly, a middling pick for G/C......
But, in terms of this discussion and the draft "going offense".....dont see it.....not one bit......
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I agree - like you said, our O was doing what it needed to to win games until our run game ground to a halt. People still respected it for a few games after Mack's injury, but once we stopped going over 140 ypg, they zoned in on our QB, which didn't hold up.
Mack doesn't get injured, or we have competent backups that don't cause such a huge dropoff, and we're in much better shape.
Personally, I'm thinking, if it aligns with BPA, I'd look at going OLB and either NT/WR in the first round. Then look at picking up an extra 2 with our excess of picks, and get either NT/WR and OL in the second.
Just my 2c.
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Once more
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I was arguing with myself about my last mock above. Would the Browns draft one of the top
three wr's...say, Parker, then hope Shelton was there at 19? Or, might they nab Parker,
or one of those top 3 wrs.... and nab Collins, if they knew a NT they would reach for later?
Then another wr later, and all the rest defense?
But I finally decided that
A. The Browns signed some nice veteran free agents at wr.
B. They must stop the run, and I don't see a NT that would be
anywhere near a Shelton.
C. The Browns want a dominant defense.
D. I think the key in this division, is to dominate the los on both sides of the ball.
So, I really, really like the two wr sleepers I "drafted", although obviously they won't step in
NFL ready like Devante Parker. So, I went with Shelton and Collins. The other question was,
would Eli even be there? My second choice was Stephone Anthony instead of Harold at olb.
My favorite olb in this draft is Dupree, who will go in the top 15 or 20 picks. Beasely runs second to him, imhso.
I hope Dupree doesn't fall to the squealers, or I hope Canton Mike doesn't mind me needing a barf bag with me to hang
out at his man cave during the draft.....
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Personally, I'm thinking, if it aligns with BPA, I'd look at going OLB and either NT/WR in the first round. Then look at picking up an extra 2 with our excess of picks, and get either NT/WR and OL in the second. Chris
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I think that is a solid thought - The second round seems like a real solid quality of
players to nab. Wouldn't be surprised at all. We'll see.
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One thing I'm thinking about maybe is if it's Winston-Mariota 1-2, look at trading up to get Leonard Williams, as someone who could be a truly disruptive force and help in both run and pass D. Probably would cost too much though.
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How about Brandon Scherff
How about Brandon Scherff
Overrated... So athletic of an OT that everyone projects him as an OG at the next level.
I was arguing with myself about my last mock above. Would the Browns draft one of the top three wr's...say, Parker, then hope Shelton was there at 19? Or, might they nab Parker, or one of those top 3 wrs.... and nab Collins, if they knew a NT they would reach for later? Then another wr later, and all the rest defense? But I finally decided that
A. The Browns signed some nice veteran free agents at wr.
B. They must stop the run, and I don't see a NT that would be
anywhere near a Shelton.
C. The Browns want a dominant defense.
D. I think the key in this division, is to dominate the los on both sides of the ball.
So, I really, really like the two wr sleepers I "drafted", although obviously they won't step in
NFL ready like Devante Parker. So, I went with Shelton and Collins. The other question was,
would Eli even be there? My second choice was Stephone Anthony instead of Harold at olb.
My favorite olb in this draft is Dupree, who will go in the top 15 or 20 picks. Beasely runs second to him, imhso.
Love the analysis that gets you to Shelton at 12, but not the Collins pick. You're spending a high pick on a guy you end up moving inside in most of your scenarios. Better IMO to draft an inside guy in Rnd 2 or 3.
I like Dupree, but not at 12. Should he fall to 19, I'd gladly nab him, but if not...
Yesterday Todd McShay labeled ILB, Eric Kendricks as the "best cover LB in the draft". That's a premium talent in Pet's scheme and settled me on a plyer that I've liked for a while. I think he's a bit early at 19, so I'd look to trade down a little, but if I can't get a trade down into the mid-20's, then I take him. This allows Robertson or Kirksey to move back outside. I think Craig has 3-down potential outside, but can share time with Mingo until we see what he brings to 2016.
Anyway here's my "dream"...
1.12 - Shelton NT
1.19 - Trade to mid-20's gaining mid-20's second
1.mid-20 - Eric Kendricks, ILB, UCLA
2.11 - Ali Marpet, OG, Hobart - He'd push Greco hard for RG. Could push John all the way to starting RT.
2.mid-20 - Bryce Petty, QB, Baylor - My 2015, "ya gotta keep looking" shot... I like his chances.
3.13 - Reese Dismukes, C, Auburn - tape really reminded me of Mack, will need to get stronger at next level.
4.12 - Henry Anderson, DE - if there, I just can't pass on him. Too much value in this true, 3-4 DE.
4.16 - Jeff Heuerman, TE or Justin Hardy, WR, ECU - going "or" as I feel we're "set" at least at one position.
5.11 - Craig Mager CB/SS - hitter out of Texas State with good size, speed and agility
6.13 - Justin Manton, K, LA-Monroe - can't see standing pat at this position.
6.26 - Matt Jones, RB, Florida - I see him as a potential FB convert.
7.12 - BPA
Fire away...
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Love the analysis that gets you to Shelton at 12, but not the Collins pick. You're spending a high pick on a guy you end up moving inside in most of your scenarios. Better IMO to draft an inside guy in Rnd 2 or 3. Tour
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Got it, but in my mind, I see Collins as versatile, to probably start at RT, and the other options are based on
possible injuries during the season. I took him as having more than inside guy ability, or yeah, that's way too high
for an inside guy.
I think Kendricks is excellent - Eli Harold has a slightly better grade, Stephone Anthony, not so much a great pick, imho.
So, I went with Harold, who might not even make it to the Browns in the second round, same thing for Kendricks.
I just know what I read, a bit of video, and that limits my stupid opinions.....,
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/eli-harold?id=2552494
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1.12 - Shelton NT
A++
1.19 - Trade to mid-20's gaining mid-20's second
1.mid-20 - Eric Kendricks, ILB, UCLATour, I'm fine with Kendricks, but given the choice, how do you eval Kendricks vs Harold?
Harold has a bit higher grade on NFL.com...
2.11 - Ali Marpet, OG, Hobart - He'd push Greco hard for RG. Could push John all the way to starting RT.
Love this guy, but I decided to go with Collins because he could start at RT... don't know if Marpet could.
2.mid-20 - Bryce Petty, QB, Baylor - My 2015, "ya gotta keep looking" shot... I like his chances.
He could end up being a great pick later on, I liked Grayson to be more NFL ready, but Petty has
a higher long term upside they say.. I finally got po'd and forgot about qbs.
3.13 - Reese Dismukes, C, Auburn - tape really reminded me of Mack, will need to get stronger at next level.
A** I never thought to draft a center.
4.12 - Henry Anderson, DE - if there, I just can't pass on him. Too much value in this true, 3-4 DE.A
4.16 - Jeff Heuerman, TE or Justin Hardy, WR, ECU - going "or" as I feel we're "set" at least at one position.A**
5.11 - Craig Mager CB/SS - hitter out of Texas State with good size, speed and agility?
6.13 - Justin Manton, K, LA-Monroe - can't see standing pat at this position.A**
6.26 - Matt Jones, RB, Florida - I see him as a potential FB convert. -
1.12 - Shelton NT
A++
1.19 - Trade to mid-20's gaining mid-20's second
1.mid-20 - Eric Kendricks, ILB, UCLATour, I'm fine with Kendricks, but given the choice, how do you eval Kendricks vs Harold?
Harold has a bit higher grade on NFL.com...
2.11 - Ali Marpet, OG, Hobart - He'd push Greco hard for RG. Could push John all the way to starting RT.
Love this guy, but I decided to go with Collins because he could start at RT... don't know if Marpet could.
2.mid-20 - Bryce Petty, QB, Baylor - My 2015, "ya gotta keep looking" shot... I like his chances.
He could end up being a great pick later on, I liked Grayson to be more NFL ready, but Petty has
a higher long term upside they say.. I finally got po'd and forgot about qbs.
3.13 - Reese Dismukes, C, Auburn - tape really reminded me of Mack, will need to get stronger at next level.
A** I never thought to draft a center.
4.12 - Henry Anderson, DE - if there, I just can't pass on him. Too much value in this true, 3-4 DE.A
4.16 - Jeff Heuerman, TE or Justin Hardy, WR, ECU - going "or" as I feel we're "set" at least at one position.A**
5.11 - Craig Mager CB/SS - hitter out of Texas State with good size, speed and agility?
6.13 - Justin Manton, K, LA-Monroe - can't see standing pat at this position.A**
6.26 - Matt Jones, RB, Florida - I see him as a potential FB convert.Tour, I'm fine with Kendricks, but given the choice, how do you eval Kendricks vs Harold?
Harold has a bit higher grade on NFL.com...
I look at Harold as the edge rusher you settle for and Kendricks as the ILB you want. For me it's about stopping the run and Shelton/ Kendricks looks more promising than Shelton/ Harold.
2.11 - Ali Marpet, OG, Hobart - He'd push Greco hard for RG. Could push John all the way to starting RT.
Love this guy, but I decided to go with Collins because he could start at RT... don't know if Marpet could.
I doubt Marpet could, but while I think Greco could I do not think he has to... Schwartz is adequate. If I thought Collins was the long-term replacement for Thomas, I could justify the pick, but I don't so I can't.
2.mid-20 - Bryce Petty, QB, Baylor - My 2015, "ya gotta keep looking" shot... I like his chances.
He could end up being a great pick later on, I liked Grayson to be more NFL ready, but Petty has a higher long term upside they say.. I finally got po'd and forgot about qbs.
Later is better, but I don't mind reaching for a QB... especially with a non-existent pick...
3.13 - Reese Dismukes, C, Auburn - tape really reminded me of Mack, will need to get stronger at next level.
A** I never thought to draft a center.
It's almost a luxury after drafting an OG, but I really liked this guy's tape.
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