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  • great positivity! can you do one of these each day BEFORE the draft? (cuz this is the time where there is nothing really to talk about and fans start scratching each other's eyes out over different opinions of players to be had)

    i think mingo and gilbert become all pros this year.

    gftChrisG Opal312O 2 Replies
  • T TexasAg1969

    Very well done mudfly. And with 10 in this very deep draft this may prove to be an up and coming team for years to come.

    @texasag1969 said:

    And with 10 in this very deep draft this may prove to be an up and coming team for years to come.

    Thats a great point AG.....and another feather in Farmers cap.....

    Because, somehow, we got all these upgrades without giving up hardly anything....and IN FACT....gained draft picks...

    So, now, he has a chance to do it again 🙂

    @tour2ma said:

    If Mingo breaks out why would we need an edge rusher? 😛

    Ha!....I know I know.......but it'll allow for depth....rotation....waves.....(and "just in case" with the Mingo thing).....😉

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    great positivity! can you do one of these each day BEFORE the draft? (cuz this is the time where there is nothing really to talk about and fans start scratching each other's eyes out over different opinions of players to be had)

    i think mingo and gilbert become all pros this year.

    @miktoxic said:

    i think mingo and gilbert become all pros this year.

    I'm just hoping Gilbert becomes a pro at all.

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    I think the Browns will EXPLODE over the next few years......am I optimistic?....hell yes!

    I know they all wont be great...but the numbers say at least a couple of these young guys will break out with a really big season...

    Who's your pick?

    Mingo?...Gilbert?...Manziel?...Crowell?...West?...Gabriel?...Armonty?...Housler?...Bowie?...Kwan?...Desir?.....Kirksey?....

    My moneys on Mingo, Gilbert and Desir to be the big winners......

    My "prayer pick" is Johnny.......

    @mudfly said:

    Mingo?...Gilbert?...Manziel?...Crowell?...West?...Gabriel?...Armonty?...Housler?...Bowie?...Kwan?...Desir?.....Kirksey?....

    when was the last time(if ever) that we had a list of 1st and 2nd year players like this?.....

    and then we add already proven youth like Haden, Bitonio & Gipson to the mix.....

    just saying.....when this group hits 3-5 yrs......KABLAMMO!

  • OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan

    So....In summary.....my take is that in only ONE YEAR, Farmer has successfully updraded almost every single position group....the only exceptions being at QB and OLB.....

    Totally agree and nice post Mudfly.

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    So....In summary.....my take is that in only ONE YEAR, Farmer has successfully updraded almost every single position group....the only exceptions being at QB and OLB.....

    Totally agree and nice post Mudfly.

    I think that is fair to say....with the possible exception also of TE.

    I think the Browns will be addressing the TE position as early as round 2-3......and also the DLine.....and LB.

    A DL/OLB/TE with those 3 picks in the top 43 would definitely add strength and depth

    ....that is if they don't go all in and trade them all to move up for Mariota. And that could be the debate in the war room as we speak:

    "Should we trade #12/19/43 to move up to #2" I think they are asking that question right now.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    So....In summary.....my take is that in only ONE YEAR, Farmer has successfully updraded almost every single position group....the only exceptions being at QB and OLB.....

    Totally agree and nice post Mudfly.

    I think that is fair to say....with the possible exception also of TE.

    I think the Browns will be addressing the TE position as early as round 2-3......and also the DLine.....and LB.

    A DL/OLB/TE with those 3 picks in the top 43 would definitely add strength and depth

    ....that is if they don't go all in and trade them all to move up for Mariota. And that could be the debate in the war room as we speak:

    "Should we trade #12/19/43 to move up to #2" I think they are asking that question right now.

    @the-gipper said:

    "Should we trade #12/19/43 to move up to #2" ................................I think they are asking that question right now.

    Unless it was a complete bluff, Farmer pretty much answered that question at yesterdays pressy.....with a fairly solid NO..

  • Whatever the Browns do, I'm going to know it was the right, very cool, smar thing to do.

    White-Beasely-Dupree/Shelton, Shelton/Beasely-Dupree-somebody else, OT....

    This draft goes great, it will change the dynamics of the Browns

    like we haven't seen before.

  • On yesterday's Kiper/McShay Mock draft they had the Browns taking Shelton and Andrus Peat and 12 and 19.

    miktoxicM gumby73G 2 Replies
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    On yesterday's Kiper/McShay Mock draft they had the Browns taking Shelton and Andrus Peat and 12 and 19.

    @the-gipper said:

    On yesterday's Kiper/McShay Mock draft they had the Browns taking Shelton and Andrus Peat and 12 and 19.

    saw that.

    i've also seen a bazzillion other mocks on espn/nfl network where we take parker @12 and brown @19.

    shelton and peat trump that hand everyday.

    👍
  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @calfoxwc said:

    Note:(loss) Not feeling it here and the main reason Im thinking edge rusher - olb at #12 Mud

    ******************************************************************

    Nice job on the op ! But there are edge rushers aplenty in this draft. Dupree might be there...

    Yeah...I really shoulda said 12 or 19....would be oh so happy to take Shelton at 12......as long as they handle business at 19 with a Dupree type....

    But Im seeing a lot of folks mocking Shelton....then using 19(and even our 2nd) for OT, OG and WR.....

    and completely leaving edge rusher out of the equation........which just makes me itch......bad

    I seriously question if I can even survive the next 7 days.......haven't done ANY work for like 3 days.....just sitting here waiting for the commish to officially open the draft.....

    @mudfly said:

    But Im seeing a lot of folks mocking Shelton....then using 19(and even our 2nd) for OT, OG and WR.....and completely leaving edge rusher out of the equation....

    ....which just makes me itch......bad

    @the-gipper said:

    On yesterday's Kiper/McShay Mock draft they had the Browns taking Shelton and Andrus Peat and 12 and 19.

    @miktoxic said:

    i've also seen a bazzillion other mocks on espn/nfl network where we take parker @12 and brown @19.

    see???? This is exactly the shit Im talking about......makes me itch every time......

    miktoxicM 1 Reply

  • I think (and hope) Orchard plays into the Browns plans for 43.

    FlugelF 1 Reply
  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @mudfly said:

    But Im seeing a lot of folks mocking Shelton....then using 19(and even our 2nd) for OT, OG and WR.....and completely leaving edge rusher out of the equation....

    ....which just makes me itch......bad

    @the-gipper said:

    On yesterday's Kiper/McShay Mock draft they had the Browns taking Shelton and Andrus Peat and 12 and 19.

    @miktoxic said:

    i've also seen a bazzillion other mocks on espn/nfl network where we take parker @12 and brown @19.

    see???? This is exactly the shit Im talking about......makes me itch every time......

    @mudfly said:

    ..makes me itch every time......

    need some meds?

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    On yesterday's Kiper/McShay Mock draft they had the Browns taking Shelton and Andrus Peat and 12 and 19.

    @the-gipper said:

    On yesterday's Kiper/McShay Mock draft they had the Browns taking Shelton and Andrus Peat and 12 and 19.

    They talked about possible take of Cam Erving at 19 and thought Cam would have been the better pick being universal on the OL..

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  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    great positivity! can you do one of these each day BEFORE the draft? (cuz this is the time where there is nothing really to talk about and fans start scratching each other's eyes out over different opinions of players to be had)

    i think mingo and gilbert become all pros this year.

    @miktoxic said:

    great positivity! can you do one of these each day BEFORE the draft? (cuz this is the time where there is nothing really to talk about and fans start scratching each other's eyes out over different opinions of players to be had)

    i think mingo and gilbert become all pros this year.

    What is Gipson's status, has he signed his tender?
    DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD!
  • Opal312O Opal312

    @miktoxic said:

    great positivity! can you do one of these each day BEFORE the draft? (cuz this is the time where there is nothing really to talk about and fans start scratching each other's eyes out over different opinions of players to be had)

    i think mingo and gilbert become all pros this year.

    What is Gipson's status, has he signed his tender?

    @opal312 said:

    What is Gipson's status, has he signed his tender?

    No, he isnt signed yet...but as of end of day today he is 100% ours and can no longer sign with any other teams.....so you can relax because he is still a Brown and wont be playing anywhere else ......

  • Maybe we should think about a decent reliable kicker. Often ignored, very important

    MudflyM OldBrownsFanO 2 Replies
  • KvoetheK Kvoethe

    Maybe we should think about a decent reliable kicker. Often ignored, very important

    @kvoethe said:

    Maybe we should think about a decent reliable kicker. Often ignored, very important

    There are a couple good ones this year......Id be game for sure.....

  • I think your evaluation is too pro 2015 group. You used hindsight to lower the 2013 grade and ceilings to boost the 2015 grades

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    I think your evaluation is too pro 2015 group. You used hindsight to lower the 2013 grade and ceilings to boost the 2015 grades

    @mld-woody said:

    I think your evaluation is too pro 2015 group. You used hindsight to lower the 2013 grade and ceilings to boost the 2015 grades

    Ok fair enough...Id say hindsight is a good tool for rating the past though. And "estimates" are all i got for the future.....

    Simply comparing "what we know"(hindsight included) to see which position groups got better....

    I said WR -DB- RB- MLB got better

    OL- DL got only 1 player better

    TE -QB stayed about the same....

    and OLB got worse.....

    So rather than just saying Im wrong then leaving, how about saying which ones you disagree with? and how would you change them? and if your not using hindsight or speculation, how did you come to it?....curious

    Tour2maT 1 Reply
  • KvoetheK Kvoethe

    Maybe we should think about a decent reliable kicker. Often ignored, very important

    @kvoethe said:

    Maybe we should think about a decent reliable kicker. Often ignored, very important

    I hope we do. In the Indy game that we lost 25-24 Cundiff missed a 40 yard field goal which cost us big time as well missing field goals in 5 straight games going into the Colts game. I like Hartley but he just does not have the leg strength.

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