Farmer - Year One upgrades.....
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great positivity! can you do one of these each day BEFORE the draft? (cuz this is the time where there is nothing really to talk about and fans start scratching each other's eyes out over different opinions of players to be had)
i think mingo and gilbert become all pros this year.
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I think the Browns will EXPLODE over the next few years......am I optimistic?....hell yes!
I know they all wont be great...but the numbers say at least a couple of these young guys will break out with a really big season...
Who's your pick?
Mingo?...Gilbert?...Manziel?...Crowell?...West?...Gabriel?...Armonty?...Housler?...Bowie?...Kwan?...Desir?.....Kirksey?....
My moneys on Mingo, Gilbert and Desir to be the big winners......
My "prayer pick" is Johnny.......
Mingo?...Gilbert?...Manziel?...Crowell?...West?...Gabriel?...Armonty?...Housler?...Bowie?...Kwan?...Desir?.....Kirksey?....
when was the last time(if ever) that we had a list of 1st and 2nd year players like this?.....
and then we add already proven youth like Haden, Bitonio & Gipson to the mix.....
just saying.....when this group hits 3-5 yrs......KABLAMMO!
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So....In summary.....my take is that in only ONE YEAR, Farmer has successfully updraded almost every single position group....the only exceptions being at QB and OLB.....
Totally agree and nice post Mudfly.
So....In summary.....my take is that in only ONE YEAR, Farmer has successfully updraded almost every single position group....the only exceptions being at QB and OLB.....
Totally agree and nice post Mudfly.
I think that is fair to say....with the possible exception also of TE.
I think the Browns will be addressing the TE position as early as round 2-3......and also the DLine.....and LB.
A DL/OLB/TE with those 3 picks in the top 43 would definitely add strength and depth
....that is if they don't go all in and trade them all to move up for Mariota. And that could be the debate in the war room as we speak:
"Should we trade #12/19/43 to move up to #2" I think they are asking that question right now.
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So....In summary.....my take is that in only ONE YEAR, Farmer has successfully updraded almost every single position group....the only exceptions being at QB and OLB.....
Totally agree and nice post Mudfly.
I think that is fair to say....with the possible exception also of TE.
I think the Browns will be addressing the TE position as early as round 2-3......and also the DLine.....and LB.
A DL/OLB/TE with those 3 picks in the top 43 would definitely add strength and depth
....that is if they don't go all in and trade them all to move up for Mariota. And that could be the debate in the war room as we speak:
"Should we trade #12/19/43 to move up to #2" I think they are asking that question right now.
"Should we trade #12/19/43 to move up to #2" ................................I think they are asking that question right now.
Unless it was a complete bluff, Farmer pretty much answered that question at yesterdays pressy.....with a fairly solid NO..
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Whatever the Browns do, I'm going to know it was the right, very cool, smar thing to do.
White-Beasely-Dupree/Shelton, Shelton/Beasely-Dupree-somebody else, OT....
This draft goes great, it will change the dynamics of the Browns
like we haven't seen before.
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On yesterday's Kiper/McShay Mock draft they had the Browns taking Shelton and Andrus Peat and 12 and 19.
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On yesterday's Kiper/McShay Mock draft they had the Browns taking Shelton and Andrus Peat and 12 and 19.
On yesterday's Kiper/McShay Mock draft they had the Browns taking Shelton and Andrus Peat and 12 and 19.
saw that.
i've also seen a bazzillion other mocks on espn/nfl network where we take parker @12 and brown @19.
shelton and peat trump that hand everyday.
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Note:(loss) Not feeling it here and the main reason Im thinking edge rusher - olb at #12 Mud
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Nice job on the op ! But there are edge rushers aplenty in this draft. Dupree might be there...
Yeah...I really shoulda said 12 or 19....would be oh so happy to take Shelton at 12......as long as they handle business at 19 with a Dupree type....
But Im seeing a lot of folks mocking Shelton....then using 19(and even our 2nd) for OT, OG and WR.....
and completely leaving edge rusher out of the equation........which just makes me itch......bad
I seriously question if I can even survive the next 7 days.......haven't done ANY work for like 3 days.....just sitting here waiting for the commish to officially open the draft.....
But Im seeing a lot of folks mocking Shelton....then using 19(and even our 2nd) for OT, OG and WR.....and completely leaving edge rusher out of the equation....
....which just makes me itch......bad
On yesterday's Kiper/McShay Mock draft they had the Browns taking Shelton and Andrus Peat and 12 and 19.
i've also seen a bazzillion other mocks on espn/nfl network where we take parker @12 and brown @19.
see???? This is exactly the shit Im talking about......makes me itch every time......
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I think (and hope) Orchard plays into the Browns plans for 43.
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But Im seeing a lot of folks mocking Shelton....then using 19(and even our 2nd) for OT, OG and WR.....and completely leaving edge rusher out of the equation....
....which just makes me itch......bad
On yesterday's Kiper/McShay Mock draft they had the Browns taking Shelton and Andrus Peat and 12 and 19.
i've also seen a bazzillion other mocks on espn/nfl network where we take parker @12 and brown @19.
see???? This is exactly the shit Im talking about......makes me itch every time......
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On yesterday's Kiper/McShay Mock draft they had the Browns taking Shelton and Andrus Peat and 12 and 19.
On yesterday's Kiper/McShay Mock draft they had the Browns taking Shelton and Andrus Peat and 12 and 19.
They talked about possible take of Cam Erving at 19 and thought Cam would have been the better pick being universal on the OL..
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great positivity! can you do one of these each day BEFORE the draft? (cuz this is the time where there is nothing really to talk about and fans start scratching each other's eyes out over different opinions of players to be had)
i think mingo and gilbert become all pros this year.
What is Gipson's status, has he signed his tender?great positivity! can you do one of these each day BEFORE the draft? (cuz this is the time where there is nothing really to talk about and fans start scratching each other's eyes out over different opinions of players to be had)
i think mingo and gilbert become all pros this year.
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What is Gipson's status, has he signed his tender?great positivity! can you do one of these each day BEFORE the draft? (cuz this is the time where there is nothing really to talk about and fans start scratching each other's eyes out over different opinions of players to be had)
i think mingo and gilbert become all pros this year.
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Maybe we should think about a decent reliable kicker. Often ignored, very important
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I think your evaluation is too pro 2015 group. You used hindsight to lower the 2013 grade and ceilings to boost the 2015 grades
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I think your evaluation is too pro 2015 group. You used hindsight to lower the 2013 grade and ceilings to boost the 2015 grades
I think your evaluation is too pro 2015 group. You used hindsight to lower the 2013 grade and ceilings to boost the 2015 grades
Ok fair enough...Id say hindsight is a good tool for rating the past though. And "estimates" are all i got for the future.....
Simply comparing "what we know"(hindsight included) to see which position groups got better....
I said WR -DB- RB- MLB got better
OL- DL got only 1 player better
TE -QB stayed about the same....
and OLB got worse.....
So rather than just saying Im wrong then leaving, how about saying which ones you disagree with? and how would you change them? and if your not using hindsight or speculation, how did you come to it?....curious
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Maybe we should think about a decent reliable kicker. Often ignored, very important
I hope we do. In the Indy game that we lost 25-24 Cundiff missed a 40 yard field goal which cost us big time as well missing field goals in 5 straight games going into the Colts game. I like Hartley but he just does not have the leg strength.
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Kudos to mudfly for a quality post!!! It is breaking thru the cloud of pessimism surrounding the Browns. He'll even I was lost in it for a while.
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