Trading up to #2 for QB Risky

miktoxic

12. shelton NT

19. dupree DE

43. williams TE

77. grayson QB

my dream draft right there.

thenew23

According to reports they already turned down that trade with the Titans. If the Titans pass on Mariota and we could trade a 1st and 2nd for the Redskuns pick, I'd be all for it...

The Gipper

@thenew23 said:
According to reports they already turned down that trade with the Titans. If the Titans pass on Mariota and we could trade a 1st and 2nd for the Redskuns pick, I'd be all for it...

Are you saying that the Titan offered to take #12/19/43 for #2....and the Browns rejected it? or is it all BS rumors?

Westside Steve

@thenew23 said:
According to reports they already turned down that trade with the Titans. If the Titans pass on Mariota and we could trade a 1st and 2nd for the Redskuns pick, I'd be all for it...

And remember exactly how the Redskins got that pick...

WSS

miktoxic

um, yeah, no. don't want to be the next 'redskins'.

thenew23

@westside-steve said:

And remember exactly how the Redskins got that pick...

WSS

If I remember correctly they gave up 3 1sts and 1 or 2 2nds... I never said I'd do that...

Westside Steve

@thenew23 said:
If I remember correctly they gave up 3 1sts and 1 or 2 2nds... I never said I'd do that...

Nope but I think rg3 had a lot more hype than Marcus Mariota the consolation prize in this quarterback Derby.

WSS

thenew23

@the-gipper said:
Are you saying that the Titan offered to take #12/19/43 for #2....and the Browns rejected it? or is it all BS rumors?

Reported by Tony Pauline of draftinsider.net on 4/22, "the Titans asked for 12, 19, and the Browns 2nd round pick to move to #2, to which the Browns said 'no'."

thenew23

@westside-steve said:

Nope but I think rg3 had a lot more hype than Marcus Mariota the consolation prize in this quarterback Derby.

WSS

RG3 was a one-season overhyped combine champion who got overrated, very quickly.

Mariota would've been a 1st round pick if he would've declared last year. He has been one of the highest rated QBs for the past 3 seasons, and has a career 105-14 TD to INT ratio... Consolation...?

Tour2ma

@miktoxic said:
unless you have a andrew luck CERTAINTY about a guy you don't make the move.

Picks for "certain" QBs are not traded.

MasterDog

"Risky QB"

Beside a few drafted number 1 overall, what QB isn't "risky" in a draft? Taking a step back, what player isn't "risky" in a NFL draft.

I think Marriota is going to be a star in this league. I can see it. He's got it all. I've labeled him Andrew Luck 2.0. Big, tall, strong, intelligent, fast as hell, good arm, not a "me" player, Film room junkie, a leader, not a socialite idiot and have that 'love' for the game. Got the face and look of a franchise player.

What is there NOT to like?

Then again, i'm a Brown's fan and guess what...Star QB + Browns franchise just don't mix.

The Gipper

@masterdog said:

"Risky QB"

Beside a few drafted number 1 overall, what QB isn't "risky" in a draft? Taking a step back, what player isn't "risky" in a NFL draft.

I think Marriota is going to be a star in this league. I can see it. He's got it all. I've labeled him Andrew Luck 2.0. Big, tall, strong, intelligent, fast as hell, good arm, not a "me" player, Film room junkie, a leader, not a socialite idiot and have that 'love' for the game. Got the face and look of a franchise player.

What is there NOT to like?

Then again, i'm a Brown's fan and guess what...Star QB + Browns franchise just don't mix.

I know, they are all risky....but I think in more recent years if you are taken #1 overall.....the QB has less of a chance to be a bust.

Here I have divided the QBs taken with the #1 overall pick into 3 categories: Busts, So So or Incomplete, Successes:

Busts:

Angelo Bertelli

Boley Dancewiscz

Harry Gilmer

Bobby Garrett

George Shaw

King Hill

Randy Duncan

Terry Baker

Jamarcus Russell

Note here that there was not a true pure bust of a QB with #1 between 1962 and 2007.

So So/Incomplete:

Billy Wade (won title with Bears)

Jack Concannon

Steve Bartkowski

Jeff George

Tim Couch

David Carr

Alex Smith

Matt Stafford

Sam Bradford

Successes:

Roman Gabriel

Joe Namath

Terry Bradshaw

Jim Plunkett

John Elway

Vinny Testaverde (by virtue of total career numbers)

Troy Aikman

Drew Bledsoe

Peyton Manning

Michael Vick (has had very productive career)

Carson Palmer

Eli Manning

Cam Newton

Andrew Luck (not too premature for these last two)

Scouting apparently vastly improved sometime in the mid 60s. Except for Billy Wade...who was OK to good....every #1 overall pick before Roman Gabriel was a complete bust. After Gabriel, only Jamarcus Russell can be called a complete bust.

Since then you have about a 2/3rd chance that a #1 overall will turn out successful and about a 95% chance of being somewhat viable.....and maybe a couple of those incompletes can rise up: Bradford/Stafford/even Smith?

#2 overalls are still 50/50 to be busts.

MasterDog

"Scouting apparently vastly improved sometime in the mid 60s."

With that said, i'm on board with trading up to grab Marriota.

gumby73

Still think the best place to move up is from 19. Softer Cost maybe and get the best talent opposite of 12 before it comes off the board.. 10 Rookies not making this squad IMO.. PS--If we give up all those picks for Mariota I would piss all of them off and with 2nd pick of the 2015 NFL Draft The Browns Select Leonard Williams to watch everyone run away from this Dude..

Axe

I still don't think either Winston or Mariotta are #1 & #2 overall material.. And it looks like my Bucs ARE going to take Winston..

Tim Couch Pulls Out

While interesting, I don't see why past QB's taken at #2 have any influence on future QB's taken at #2.

gumby73

@axe said:
I still don't think either Winston or Mariotta are #1 & #2 overall material.. And it looks like my Bucs ARE going to take Winston..

Chip Kelley is still on line 1 for you..

Opal312

12. La'el Collins

19. Malcom Brown

43. Devin Smith

77. Mario Edwards

111 Jeff Heuerman

115. Max Garcia, C

147 Benardrick McKinney, ILB

189 Nate Orchard, OLB

202 Evan Spencer, WR

229 Kyle Brindza, Kicker

miktoxic

i kinda look at this draft this way. we're not picking in the top ten BUT as soon as you walk down that ten pick avenue turn the corner from 12-19th streets, we own the block.

calfoxwc

12. La'el Collins

I'd rather get Shelton here and Collins at 19
19. Malcom Brown

Although, I think Brown is excellent, and wouldn't gripe. Don't know if he is a 3-4 NT, though.
43. Devin Smith

A great value pick but who knows how terrific he'll be in a pro offense.
77. Mario Edwards

The DT? nah. More like a 5th round pick that might not make it in the pros.
111 Jeff Heuerman

You betcha
115. Max Garcia, C

I kinda like this this pick. Not my favorite - kinda stump footed for the pros, special teams?
147 Benardrick McKinney, ILB

McKinney may very well go in the first round, or top of second. Invalid.
189 Nate Orchard, OLB

Orchard may very well go in the late first round, or top half of second. Invalid.
202 Evan Spencer, WR

I'd love for Spencer to fall this far, but I think he goes long before this.
229 Kyle Brindza, Kicker

Brindza is just okay - I really would want the top kicker Manton. Manton is excellent

and wouln't need to be coached up so much, and could easily start.