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  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @thenew23 said:

    According to reports they already turned down that trade with the Titans. If the Titans pass on Mariota and we could trade a 1st and 2nd for the Redskuns pick, I'd be all for it...

    Are you saying that the Titan offered to take #12/19/43 for #2....and the Browns rejected it? or is it all BS rumors?

    @the-gipper said:

    Are you saying that the Titan offered to take #12/19/43 for #2....and the Browns rejected it? or is it all BS rumors?

    Reported by Tony Pauline of draftinsider.net on 4/22, "the Titans asked for 12, 19, and the Browns 2nd round pick to move to #2, to which the Browns said 'no'."

    #Justsayin'
  • W Westside Steve

    @thenew23 said:

    If I remember correctly they gave up 3 1sts and 1 or 2 2nds... I never said I'd do that...

    Nope but I think rg3 had a lot more hype than Marcus Mariota the consolation prize in this quarterback Derby.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Nope but I think rg3 had a lot more hype than Marcus Mariota the consolation prize in this quarterback Derby.

    WSS

    RG3 was a one-season overhyped combine champion who got overrated, very quickly.

    Mariota would've been a 1st round pick if he would've declared last year. He has been one of the highest rated QBs for the past 3 seasons, and has a career 105-14 TD to INT ratio... Consolation...?

    #Justsayin'
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  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    unless you have a andrew luck CERTAINTY about a guy you don't make the move.

    @miktoxic said:

    unless you have a andrew luck CERTAINTY about a guy you don't make the move.

    Picks for "certain" QBs are not traded.

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  • "Risky QB"

    Beside a few drafted number 1 overall, what QB isn't "risky" in a draft? Taking a step back, what player isn't "risky" in a NFL draft.

    I think Marriota is going to be a star in this league. I can see it. He's got it all. I've labeled him Andrew Luck 2.0. Big, tall, strong, intelligent, fast as hell, good arm, not a "me" player, Film room junkie, a leader, not a socialite idiot and have that 'love' for the game. Got the face and look of a franchise player.

    What is there NOT to like?

    Then again, i'm a Brown's fan and guess what...Star QB + Browns franchise just don't mix.

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  • MasterDogM MasterDog

    "Risky QB"

    Beside a few drafted number 1 overall, what QB isn't "risky" in a draft? Taking a step back, what player isn't "risky" in a NFL draft.

    I think Marriota is going to be a star in this league. I can see it. He's got it all. I've labeled him Andrew Luck 2.0. Big, tall, strong, intelligent, fast as hell, good arm, not a "me" player, Film room junkie, a leader, not a socialite idiot and have that 'love' for the game. Got the face and look of a franchise player.

    What is there NOT to like?

    Then again, i'm a Brown's fan and guess what...Star QB + Browns franchise just don't mix.

    @masterdog said:

    "Risky QB"

    Beside a few drafted number 1 overall, what QB isn't "risky" in a draft? Taking a step back, what player isn't "risky" in a NFL draft.

    I think Marriota is going to be a star in this league. I can see it. He's got it all. I've labeled him Andrew Luck 2.0. Big, tall, strong, intelligent, fast as hell, good arm, not a "me" player, Film room junkie, a leader, not a socialite idiot and have that 'love' for the game. Got the face and look of a franchise player.

    What is there NOT to like?

    Then again, i'm a Brown's fan and guess what...Star QB + Browns franchise just don't mix.

    I know, they are all risky....but I think in more recent years if you are taken #1 overall.....the QB has less of a chance to be a bust.

    Here I have divided the QBs taken with the #1 overall pick into 3 categories: Busts, So So or Incomplete, Successes:

    Busts:

    Angelo Bertelli

    Boley Dancewiscz

    Harry Gilmer

    Bobby Garrett

    George Shaw

    King Hill

    Randy Duncan

    Terry Baker

    Jamarcus Russell

    Note here that there was not a true pure bust of a QB with #1 between 1962 and 2007.

    So So/Incomplete:

    Billy Wade (won title with Bears)

    Jack Concannon

    Steve Bartkowski

    Jeff George

    Tim Couch

    David Carr

    Alex Smith

    Matt Stafford

    Sam Bradford

    Successes:

    Roman Gabriel

    Joe Namath

    Terry Bradshaw

    Jim Plunkett

    John Elway

    Vinny Testaverde (by virtue of total career numbers)

    Troy Aikman

    Drew Bledsoe

    Peyton Manning

    Michael Vick (has had very productive career)

    Carson Palmer

    Eli Manning

    Cam Newton

    Andrew Luck (not too premature for these last two)

    Scouting apparently vastly improved sometime in the mid 60s. Except for Billy Wade...who was OK to good....every #1 overall pick before Roman Gabriel was a complete bust. After Gabriel, only Jamarcus Russell can be called a complete bust.

    Since then you have about a 2/3rd chance that a #1 overall will turn out successful and about a 95% chance of being somewhat viable.....and maybe a couple of those incompletes can rise up: Bradford/Stafford/even Smith?

    #2 overalls are still 50/50 to be busts.

  • "Scouting apparently vastly improved sometime in the mid 60s."

    With that said, i'm on board with trading up to grab Marriota. 🙂

  • Still think the best place to move up is from 19. Softer Cost maybe and get the best talent opposite of 12 before it comes off the board.. 10 Rookies not making this squad IMO.. PS--If we give up all those picks for Mariota I would piss all of them off and with 2nd pick of the 2015 NFL Draft The Browns Select Leonard Williams to watch everyone run away from this Dude..

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  • I still don't think either Winston or Mariotta are #1 & #2 overall material.. And it looks like my Bucs ARE going to take Winston..

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  • While interesting, I don't see why past QB's taken at #2 have any influence on future QB's taken at #2.

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    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • AxeA Axe

    I still don't think either Winston or Mariotta are #1 & #2 overall material.. And it looks like my Bucs ARE going to take Winston..

    @axe said:

    I still don't think either Winston or Mariotta are #1 & #2 overall material.. And it looks like my Bucs ARE going to take Winston..

    Chip Kelley is still on line 1 for you..

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  • 12. La'el Collins

    19. Malcom Brown

    43. Devin Smith

    77. Mario Edwards

    111 Jeff Heuerman

    115. Max Garcia, C

    147 Benardrick McKinney, ILB

    189 Nate Orchard, OLB

    202 Evan Spencer, WR

    229 Kyle Brindza, Kicker

    DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD!

  • i kinda look at this draft this way. we're not picking in the top ten BUT as soon as you walk down that ten pick avenue turn the corner from 12-19th streets, we own the block.

  • 12. La'el Collins

    I'd rather get Shelton here and Collins at 19
    19. Malcom Brown

    Although, I think Brown is excellent, and wouldn't gripe. Don't know if he is a 3-4 NT, though.
    43. Devin Smith

    A great value pick but who knows how terrific he'll be in a pro offense.
    77. Mario Edwards

    The DT? nah. More like a 5th round pick that might not make it in the pros.
    111 Jeff Heuerman

    You betcha
    115. Max Garcia, C

    I kinda like this this pick. Not my favorite - kinda stump footed for the pros, special teams?
    147 Benardrick McKinney, ILB

    McKinney may very well go in the first round, or top of second. Invalid.
    189 Nate Orchard, OLB

    Orchard may very well go in the late first round, or top half of second. Invalid.
    202 Evan Spencer, WR

    I'd love for Spencer to fall this far, but I think he goes long before this.
    229 Kyle Brindza, Kicker

    Brindza is just okay - I really would want the top kicker Manton. Manton is excellent

    and wouln't need to be coached up so much, and could easily start.

  • Ha...yes, Nate Orchard is not a 6th rounder(solid 2nd)....though Id take him all day everyday if he was........

    Mario Edwards is a DE.....Id say 2nd round potential and a very solid pick for the 3rd.....

  • McKinney's stock has fallen about as far as any in this draft. I don't think he has a shot of going in Rnd 1 now.

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  • MasterDogM MasterDog

    "Risky QB"

    Beside a few drafted number 1 overall, what QB isn't "risky" in a draft? Taking a step back, what player isn't "risky" in a NFL draft.

    I think Marriota is going to be a star in this league. I can see it. He's got it all. I've labeled him Andrew Luck 2.0. Big, tall, strong, intelligent, fast as hell, good arm, not a "me" player, Film room junkie, a leader, not a socialite idiot and have that 'love' for the game. Got the face and look of a franchise player.

    What is there NOT to like?

    Then again, i'm a Brown's fan and guess what...Star QB + Browns franchise just don't mix.

    @masterdog said:

    "Risky QB"

    Beside a few drafted number 1 overall, what QB isn't "risky" in a draft? Taking a step back, what player isn't "risky" in a NFL draft.

    I think Marriota is going to be a star in this league. I can see it. He's got it all. I've labeled him Andrew Luck 2.0. Big, tall, strong, intelligent, fast as hell, good arm, not a "me" player, Film room junkie, a leader, not a socialite idiot and have that 'love' for the game. Got the face and look of a franchise player.

    What is there NOT to like?

    Then again, i'm a Brown's fan and guess what...Star QB + Browns franchise just don't mix.

    Andrew Luck 2.0. This is getting absurd.

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  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    um, yeah, no. don't want to be the next 'redskins'.

    @miktoxic said:

    um, yeah, no. don't want to be the next 'redskins'.

    Mariota will at least try to be great- instead of doing SubWay commercials.

    @tour2ma said:

    Picks for "certain" QBs are not traded.

    Exactly.Titans praying for a sucker move on Draft Day.

    @masterdog said:

    "Risky QB"

    Beside a few drafted number 1 overall, what QB isn't "risky" in a draft? Taking a step back, what player isn't "risky" in a NFL draft.

    I think Marriota is going to be a star in this league. I can see it. He's got it all. I've labeled him Andrew Luck 2.0. Big, tall, strong, intelligent, fast as hell, good arm, not a "me" player, Film room junkie, a leader, not a socialite idiot and have that 'love' for the game. Got the face and look of a franchise player.

    What is there NOT to like?

    Then again, i'm a Brown's fan and guess what...Star QB + Browns franchise just don't mix.

    Plenty not to like. A lousy performance against an NFL caliber OSU defense in the title game. A gimmick offense that NFL teams don't use. Accuracy issues.

    Um- it's risk VS reward. the Titans taking MM @ #2 is way less of a risk that the Browns betting the ranch on a weak hand. If this year was last year- with the Browns sitting at #4 overall- sure, the move up a couple of spots to take MM is way less of a risk- and I'd approve of the move. FYI- most sell the ranch to move up trades turn out very badly.

  • I dont want to see a trade for a QB. We dont have a Andrew Luck in the 2015 NFL Draft and I think if we can get Shelton with the #12 and Maybe #19 Humphries or Collins i would be happy. If we Draft a QB i would Pick Grayson in 2nd or 3rd Round.

  • thenew23T thenew23

    @westside-steve said:

    Nope but I think rg3 had a lot more hype than Marcus Mariota the consolation prize in this quarterback Derby.

    WSS

    RG3 was a one-season overhyped combine champion who got overrated, very quickly.

    Mariota would've been a 1st round pick if he would've declared last year. He has been one of the highest rated QBs for the past 3 seasons, and has a career 105-14 TD to INT ratio... Consolation...?

    @thenew23 said:

    RG3 was a one-season overhyped combine champion who got overrated, very quickly.

    Mariota would've been a 1st round pick if he would've declared last year. He has been one of the highest rated QBs for the past 3 seasons, has a career 105-14 TD to INT ratio... Consolation...?

    Yeah so why is he rated below crablegs in nearly every outlet?

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  • thenew23T thenew23

    @westside-steve said:

    Nope but I think rg3 had a lot more hype than Marcus Mariota the consolation prize in this quarterback Derby.

    WSS

    RG3 was a one-season overhyped combine champion who got overrated, very quickly.

    Mariota would've been a 1st round pick if he would've declared last year. He has been one of the highest rated QBs for the past 3 seasons, and has a career 105-14 TD to INT ratio... Consolation...?

    @thenew23 said:

    RG3 was a one-season overhyped combine champion who got overrated, very quickly.

    Mariota would've been a 1st round pick if he would've declared last year. He has been one of the highest rated QBs for the past 3 seasons, and has a career 105-14 TD to INT ratio... Consolation...?

    I agree.....Mariota has been on the horizon for a while now....and RGIII exploded outta nowhere after the combine....(kinda like Clowney and Russell did in preceding years).....

    @westside-steve said:

    Yeah so why is he rated below crablegs in nearly every outlet?

    WSS

    Id say crablegs has been on the horizon the whole time too......not a recent climb at all....so, why not rate him tops?

    Like Johnny, he won the Heisman as a Freshman(cept he won the championship too) and he's been a top prospect ever since....

    so, they both seem to have the college pedigree you'd hope for... and they're not hyped just because of a single season or some combine numbers....

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