Bubble players....who stays or goes....
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Love my Billy, but loved the leaner 2013 version even more...
Hard for me to pencil AB in at OLB just yet... a transitioning DE to a spot with one opening and a draft pick in waiting. Of course there are others there he should surpass if the experiment is successful at all... and he'd carry the dual position advantage...
Will be interesting...
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Love my Billy, but loved the leaner 2013 version even more...
Hard for me to pencil AB in at OLB just yet... a transitioning DE to a spot with one opening and a draft pick in waiting. Of course there are others there he should surpass if the experiment is successful at all... and he'd carry the dual position advantage...
Will be interesting...
Love my Billy, but loved the leaner 2013 version even more...
Hard for me to pencil AB in at OLB just yet... a transitioning DE to a spot with one opening and a draft pick in waiting. Of course there are others there he should surpass if the experiment is successful at all... and he'd carry the dual position advantage...
Will be interesting...
Yep...at some point he has to be counted as line or olb....wonder if the position coaches barter for that slot....you know, I need another Lbr cause he's really D line.....then.... NO, I need another de cause hes Lbr....hmmm
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so a few hold overs from last season have already dropped....practice squad players Keith Pough LB and Calvin Barnett DL were just cut.....(a good sign, I think, unless your Pough or Barnett)
and Nick McDonald OL is gone as of today......(what took them so long)(ha!)
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Pough was specifically mentioned by Farmer pre-draft as someone who could make the step up. So I guess if we're cutting him we have better players...?
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it looks like they've placed an injury designation on Pough so, if he should clear waivers, we have the option to keep him by placing him on the injury list.....
It appears we've already used the 2 spots created when we cut these guys, by picking up another LB named Mike Reilly and another OL named Eric Olsen.....
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Yep, saw that. Roster churning, looking for special players cut by other teams, as happens every year.
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Paul Browning - WR
Darius Jennings - WR
Kevin Cone - WR
Travis Benjamin - WR
Rodney Smith - WR
Tyler Loos - LT
Darrian Miller - LG
Vinston Painter - LG
Karim Barton - RG
Andrew McDonald - RT
Jim Dray - TE
EJ Bibbs - TE
Kevin Haplea - TE
Connor Shaw- QB
Glenn Winson - RB
Shaun Draughn - RB
Luke Lundy - RB
Jamie Meder - DE
Dylan Winn - DE
Jaccobi McDaniel - NT
Ishmaaily Kitchen - NT
Darius Eubanks - ILB/FS
Rodman Noel - ILB
Mike Reilly - OLB
Brandon Stephens - CB
Robert Nelson - CB
Micah Pellerin - SS
Landon Feichter- SS
Kendall James - CB
Charley Hughlett - LS
Travis Coons - P
Tank Carder - ILB
Johnson Bademosi - SS
De'Ante Saunders - CB
Bolded players are practice squad eligible
I think that gets us to 53 - not counting Ifo, Pough and Gordon on the exempt/IR list.
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I don't see them cutting Benjamin.......who are they gonna have returning punts? Duke?
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I don't see them cutting Benjamin.......who are they gonna have returning punts? Duke?
I don't see them cutting Benjamin.......who are they gonna have returning punts? Duke?
He would be a great option.....other possibilities could be Gilbert, Gabriel or Gaines.....our own little 3G network
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I don't see them cutting Benjamin.......who are they gonna have returning punts? Duke?
I don't see them cutting Benjamin.......who are they gonna have returning punts? Duke?
Gilbert, Gabriel, Moore, Duke.
This team is not lacking in speed and shiftiness.
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I agree.....I just do not see what they see in Benjiman......I figured he'd be cut this year for sure, but the Browns really seem to be talking him up so far......
Bottom line....I see too much talent on this team to keep a one trick pony....if he earns a WR spot, then so be it.....but I think cutting a good player elsewhere, to keep an average kick returner is a luxury we can not afford.....
Bring me a returner like Cribbs or Hester and we can talk......
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I don't see them cutting Benjamin.......who are they gonna have returning punts? Duke?
He would be a great option.....other possibilities could be Gilbert, Gabriel or Gaines.....our own little 3G network
He would be a great option.....other possibilities could be Gilbert, Gabriel or Gaines.....our own little 3G network
Love the 3G Network idea but damn check out the DUKE Network on his Tape. All I read is the Benji "Rabbit" is to return per Tabor so very confusing.. Also believe on passing downs we just can't trot out Duke and Fool anyone..
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I agree.....I just do not see what they see in Benjiman......I figured he'd be cut this year for sure, but the Browns really seem to be talking him up so far......
Bottom line....I see too much talent on this team to keep a one trick pony....if he earns a WR spot, then so be it.....but I think cutting a good player elsewhere, to keep an average kick returner is a luxury we can not afford.....
Bring me a returner like Cribbs or Hester and we can talk......
I agree.....I just do not see what they see in Benjiman......I figured he'd be cut this year for sure, but the Browns really seem to be talking him up so far......
Bottom line....I see too much talent on this team to keep a one trick pony....if he earns a WR spot, then so be it.....but I think cutting a good player elsewhere, to keep an average kick returner is a luxury we can not afford.....
Bring me a returner like Cribbs or Hester and we can talk......
Benji had the capability of being a dynamic return similar to the aforementioned greats. His injury may have changed that, but this regime wants to see what he does in year two PI (post injury) before moving on.
If he's ten percent better than any of the others, keep him. Having a dedicated and talented returner who can sometimes help in the passing game is better than having a key player at another position half heartedly returning kicks.
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I agree.....I just do not see what they see in Benjiman......I figured he'd be cut this year for sure, but the Browns really seem to be talking him up so far......
Bottom line....I see too much talent on this team to keep a one trick pony....if he earns a WR spot, then so be it.....but I think cutting a good player elsewhere, to keep an average kick returner is a luxury we can not afford.....
Bring me a returner like Cribbs or Hester and we can talk......
Benji had the capability of being a dynamic return similar to the aforementioned greats. His injury may have changed that, but this regime wants to see what he does in year two PI (post injury) before moving on.
If he's ten percent better than any of the others, keep him. Having a dedicated and talented returner who can sometimes help in the passing game is better than having a key player at another position half heartedly returning kicks.
Benji had the capability of being a dynamic return similar to the aforementioned greats. His injury may have changed that, but this regime wants to see what he does in year two PI (post injury) before moving on.
If he's ten percent better than any of the others, keep him. Having a dedicated and talented returner who can sometimes help in the passing game is better than having a key player at another position half heartedly returning kicks.
Yep....I agree it looks like they still have some hope he will come around.....my concern isnt his knee, it's his head. It seemed pretty clear to me that he is afraid to catch the ball and run.....perhaps because of the knee??......but fair catching every ball is not what I want to see this year.....
Conversely, I have no indications or reasons to believe that the Duke, Gabe, Gaines or Gilbert would put forth half hearted efforts.....
So they signed the brah from bodybuilding.com, nice.
oh yeah....the Brah guy....
Read his scouting report(terrible by the way) and the funny part was they said he was bulky, but weak.....hahahaha.....(muscle heads always make me laugh)......our own Browns Brah.....hahahaha
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.. and Nick McDonald is out of the mix.
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Benji had the capability of being a dynamic return similar to the aforementioned greats. His injury may have changed that, but this regime wants to see what he does in year two PI (post injury) before moving on.
If he's ten percent better than any of the others, keep him. Having a dedicated and talented returner who can sometimes help in the passing game is better than having a key player at another position half heartedly returning kicks.
Yep....I agree it looks like they still have some hope he will come around.....my concern isnt his knee, it's his head. It seemed pretty clear to me that he is afraid to catch the ball and run.....perhaps because of the knee??......but fair catching every ball is not what I want to see this year.....
Conversely, I have no indications or reasons to believe that the Duke, Gabe, Gaines or Gilbert would put forth half hearted efforts.....
So they signed the brah from bodybuilding.com, nice.
oh yeah....the Brah guy....
Read his scouting report(terrible by the way) and the funny part was they said he was bulky, but weak.....hahahaha.....(muscle heads always make me laugh)......our own Browns Brah.....hahahaha
Yep....I agree it looks like they still have some hope he will come around.....my concern isnt his knee, it's his head. It seemed pretty clear to me that he is afraid to catch the ball and run.....perhaps because of the knee??......but fair catching every ball is not what I want to see this year.....
Conversely, I have no indications or reasons to believe that the Duke, Gabe, Gaines or Gilbert would put forth half hearted efforts.....
oh yeah....the Brah guy....
Read his scouting report(terrible by the way) and the funny part was they said he was bulky, but weak.....hahahaha.....(muscle heads always make me laugh)......our own Browns Brah.....hahahaha
Not necessarily half-hearted efforts, but I expect each of them to be more involved in their respective positions than Benjamin is at WR (maybe not Gaines).
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i think benji's confidence has taken a hit since he got hit/injury.
might never be the same.
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Ill take it one further even tho its so early.....and speculate that the top 6 picks are sure to make the final roster and at least 2 look like PUP/red shirters........(so, at least 8 outta 12 to stick?....is that even possible?)
Shelton, Campbell, Erving, Orchard, D. Johnson and Cooper......all in.....
Olomu and Telfer....PUP players for development....(or 2016 rookies in waiting)
and the rest are gonna have to earn it.......I think Mayle & Pullard both have a decent chance too...(cause Carder and Benji just aint cutting the mustard).......
Ill take it one further even tho its so early.....and speculate that the top 6 picks are sure to make the final roster and at least 2 look like PUP/red shirters........(so, at least 8 outta 12 to stick?....is that even possible?)
Shelton, Campbell, Erving, Orchard, D. Johnson and Cooper......all in.....
Olomu and Telfer....PUP players for development....(or 2016 rookies in waiting)
and the rest are gonna have to earn it.......I think Mayle & Pullard both have a decent chance too...(cause Carder and Benji just aint cutting the mustard).......
Good points. When you really think about it - the only 2 draftees in question in 2014 were the 2 first round guys. Having said that, how many stories are completely written in the first paragraph? Both of those kids have done a complete about-face this offseason. There wasn't a bigger knucklehead on the planet than me between ages of 21 and 23; but that never stood in the way of me getting to where I wanted/needed be in my career very shortly thereafter.
Now add in last year's undrafted guys like Taylor Gabriel, Isaiah Crowell and K-wuan OnJuan-Williams plus FAs like Whitner, Dansby and Dray and the was 1 damn good CPR session on the innerchest of this franchise in just 1 offseason. End result? Improvement to 7 wins despite an outrageous injury volume (plus 1 suspension) seating 3 Pro Bowl players from our 2013 offense for about 10 games apiece (mack, Cameron, Gordon). In the 9 losses, we had leads/ties scores in the second halves against the following opponents: Baltimore, Buffalo, Carolina, Indy, Pittsburgh and Baltimore again (only 1 of those teams didn't make the playoffs). Two of those losses came as time expired to illustrate how much the competitive value of this team improved from the 2013 mini bus fire drill of 4-12.
Now, onto your damn good point about the possibility of 8 out of 12 picks sticking this year. With our previous front offices - that would have been very wishful thinking. Today, it's really easy to put the game face on. This front office had me when they got serious about what we're putting between Joe Thomas and Alex Mack. Of course the prerequisite to such thinking required an understanding you can't simply replace Alex Mack with a dime a dozen type of talent.
I know you've covered a lot of this extremely well but let's get some position competitions down on paper (and please fill in what I'm about to miss):
Dline
Shelton
Taylor
Kitchen
Hughes
D. Bryant
Winn
D. Wynn
Starks
Cooper
Meder (Thanks Couch)
OLB
A. Bryant
Kruger
Mingo
Kirksey
Orchard
Solomon
Reilly
ILB (Not to sound like the Warden but I probably need help in this area)
Robertson
Dansby
Pullard
Carder
Martin (Thought he had a real good game vrs TN last year if he's even still on the roster)
Rodman
Eubanks
Secondary
Haden
Gilbert
T. Williams
K. Williams
Whitner
Gipson
Poyer
Desir
Campbell
Gaines
Ekpre-Olomu (we an protect this kid as he recovers from injury; but he has an upside drool factor 1-2 years from now)
Feichter
Stephens
Saunders
Sonie
Pellerin
Bademosi
Mears (Thanks Mud, I'm editing the you know what out of this missing/forgetting guys right and left)
Nelson
James
Oline
Thomas
Bitonio
Mack
Greco
Schwartz
Bowie
Erving
Seymour
Olsen
Loos
Miller
Painter (the name implies a different profession but...)
Barton
A. McDonald
WR
Hawkins
Gabriel
Benjamin (thought he's steadily improved as a WR especially in our comeback vrs TN. Made clutch grabs in other games in limited reps)
Hartline
Bowe
Mayle
Moore
Jennings
Browning
Cone
Smith
TE/FB
Barnidge
Dray
Telfer
Johnson
Housler
Bibbs
Haplea
RB
Crowell
West
Winston
Johnson
Lundy
Draughn
QB
McCown
Manziel
Shaw
Lewis
Long Snapper
Hughlett
Punter
Lanning
Coons
Place Kicker
Reality TV? Simon Cowell might want to start up a new show and get us a kicker in the process but he better hurry up.
Outside of who we're going to look to for game winning kicks, the ONLY guy I wish we'd replace is our STs coach. Too much undiscipline showing up in the exact same mistakes week after week after week. We've even been penalized for bad blocks on fair catches while we're always seemingly looking at flags on decent returns. Not to mention what destroyed our momentum and chance for sweeping Pitt - nobody on the gunners? Billy Winn should have been wearing a coach's cleat up his dumpster when he never even broke a 2 point stance to touch the Rat who blocked our FG. This ain't the continuity we need. We need more than a male cheerleader coaching our STs in my opinion. If guys aren't held accountable for mistakes, they repeat them. Hopefully he'll get better since we have no choice...
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