Bubble players....who stays or goes....
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WRs also still have to block from time to time. Not many OL catching passes though!
nope.....OL aren't allowed to catch passes on most plays, actually.....but there is a popular sneak they like use ala the ole "tackle eligible" play.....
OL can quietly report in as an eligible receiver in some situations(dont know what they are tho)....and then pop out for a quick pass..........
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WRs also still have to block from time to time. Not many OL catching passes though!
nope.....OL aren't allowed to catch passes on most plays, actually.....but there is a popular sneak they like use ala the ole "tackle eligible" play.....
OL can quietly report in as an eligible receiver in some situations(dont know what they are tho)....and then pop out for a quick pass..........
nope.....OL aren't allowed to catch passes on most plays, actually.....but there is a popular sneak they like use ala the ole "tackle eligible" play.....
OL can quietly report in as an eligible receiver in some situations(dont know what they are tho)....and then pop out for a quick pass..........
Yeah, like I said though not many! Think it happened once this season?
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This thread is what I love about this board. Lots of great info. As good as I believe Farmer and Pettine are at getting talent on this team I believe they will be just as good on their decisions about who stay with the club. I believe a big factor will be those who fit in with the philosophy of playing like a Brown.
Sometimes I make the mistake of also reading the OBR. They're still stuck on pause with who ordered the code red to draft Johnny Manziel; and it's impossible for Josh McCown to look anything remotely similar to the results he attained from the steady dose of 3rd and short situations he drastically outplayed Jay Cutler with. They debunk that with "oh yeah, what did he accomplish with the outstanding targets Tampa gave him?" Trying to explain a QB handcuffed by a 31st ranked running game is sentenced to a consistency of 3rd and long situations behind very suspect protections is like asking a drama queen to surrender her center stage. Waste of timesies...
The reality is a former State Champion QB like Pettine (before he became a DI Safety skilled at intercepting passers) understands the value enough to know we offer McCown more than Chicago did on the ground. That said, it's a very good thing that Pettine/Farmer knows McCown had a 109 passer rating with with a TD to INT ratio of 13:1 with only 2 fumbles when Chicago's line was almost as good as our's. Nobody's pretending he's been Joe Montana all along or that he needs to be him moving forward.
All that said, the last time we won 11 regular season games plus a playoff game - we looked to much maligned 6 year veteran QB coming to us from Tampa Bay. A very effective running game landed Leroy Hoard in the Pro Bowl. That's what running the ball down the esophagus of front 7s like Dallas, Philly and others can do for a RB. It also didn't suck that we had 2 John Deere Tractors named Orlando Brown and Tony (T-Bone) Jones mowing people over at OT while we had a first round talent at Center. All that almost made us forget entirely that all we needed from Testaverde was 16 TD passes to 18 INTs. Finally having a good running game made Testaverde go from forgettable to a playoff QB. A little further down the road when he could hand off to Curtis Martin in NY, he led a team to an AFC Championship Game out in Denver.
Since 1999, I've constantly bellyached that I wished this was an easier place to play QB. While the supply of football messiah QBs hasn't quite met our demand, this is the best plan/setup we've given a QB this side of 1999 (except for maybe 2007). I'm happier than a Steelhead rolling in Limburger cheese.
Since 1999, I've constantly bellyached that I wished this was an easier place to play QB. While the supply of football messiah QBs hasn't quite met our demand, this is the best plan/setup we've given a QB this side of 1999 (except for maybe 2007). I'm happier than a Steelhead rolling in Limburger cheese.
How did former Browns F/U Brandon Weeden look in Tony Romo's cockpit last year? You can take this with a grain of salt but looked good enough to make the announcers question the Brown's purging him instead of surrounding him.....
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Since 1999, I've constantly bellyached that I wished this was an easier place to play QB. While the supply of football messiah QBs hasn't quite met our demand, this is the best plan/setup we've given a QB this side of 1999 (except for maybe 2007). I'm happier than a Steelhead rolling in Limburger cheese.
How did former Browns F/U Brandon Weeden look in Tony Romo's cockpit last year? You can take this with a grain of salt but looked good enough to make the announcers question the Brown's purging him instead of surrounding him.....
How did former Browns F/U Brandon Weeden look in Tony Romo's cockpit last year? You can take this with a grain of salt but looked good enough to make the announcers question the Brown's purging him instead of surrounding him.....
Erm, no, he didn't. See, things like this:
That's why Romo rushed back from his back injury - if weeden had been half-way respectable, Romo wouldn't have played against the Jags.
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I think we'll be surprised with Housler's production this year.
I hope so........he seems to have some of the traits that Cameron had in terms of being a deeper faster more athletic threat...
I want to believe. PFF says not to.
Yep....not rated very high at all.....which can be cause for concern..(hence the "surprise" factor should he do well)...
I will say, if you look past the overall PFF score, you can see what the Browns see.....(I think).....
While Housler is rated pretty low as a blocker(Dray/Barnidge can do that) and only caught a few balls last year, you can clearly see he is a deeper threat and has one of the highest APC's in the league......meaning he hasn't caught a lot of balls, but the ones he did catch were longer and deeper than most TE's...
So, thinking the Browns plan to maximize THAT skill, whilst avoiding using him for run blocking and/or traditional TE duties
I hope so........he seems to have some of the traits that Cameron had in terms of being a deeper faster more athletic threat...
Designated seam threat and redzone big body...
Housler's raw, which is not an adjective you want still associated with a fifth-year player. But he has the advantage over Cam of being cheap so we can afford to take a shot on him breaking out...
nope.....OL aren't allowed to catch passes on most plays, actually.....but there is a popular sneak they like use ala the ole "tackle eligible" play.....
OL can quietly report in as an eligible receiver in some situations(dont know what they are tho)....and then pop out for a quick pass..........
Situations like when the offense has the ball? Once an ineligible player reports as eligible he remains eligible until he reports a change back or leaves the field. And since the advent of field mics on the Ref, the announcement is no longer very quiet.
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I think we'll be surprised with Housler's production this year.
I want to believe. PFF says not to.
I want to believe. PFF says not to.
I judge him more on his fit in this scheme + the philosophy of Flip + his supporting cast than I do how he historically fared in Arizona.
He's not going to be a primary receiving threat. He may only catch 1 pass per game. But he'll be used to stretch the deep middle of the field, either drawing a LB into coverage or causing a safety to eye the middle on 2-deep and cloud coverages. His effect will be more than what we see in his statlines, but I could see him having a 600-800 yard season and a handful of TD's if our run game holds true.
The ones who benefit most from a strong running game? Receivers.
I hope so........he seems to have some of the traits that Cameron had in terms of being a deeper faster more athletic threat...
Yep....not rated very high at all.....which can be cause for concern..(hence the "surprise" factor should he do well)...
I will say, if you look past the overall PFF score, you can see what the Browns see.....(I think).....
While Housler is rated pretty low as a blocker(Dray/Barnidge can do that) and only caught a few balls last year, you can clearly see he is a deeper threat and has one of the highest APC's in the league......meaning he hasn't caught a lot of balls, but the ones he did catch were longer and deeper than most TE's...
So, thinking the Browns plan to maximize THAT skill, whilst avoiding using him for run blocking and/or traditional TE duties
I believe Flip uses a lot of 2TE sets, so I could see him trotted out there with Barnidge more often than not.
Effectively a deeper slot receiver, rather than an in-line TE? Taller, less shifty Hawkins/Gabriel?
In effect, that's exactly it...except he can also be used a tiiiiiny bit in the blocking game. A wildcard, if you will. While he's not the best blocking prospect BOB, he can chip and he can help seal. Some block and release, some flow routes on bootlegs, some deep middle pressure. Couple that with strong runners, a heavy playaction and the speed on the outside...he'll be the least of defenses worries.
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I hope so........he seems to have some of the traits that Cameron had in terms of being a deeper faster more athletic threat...
Designated seam threat and redzone big body...
Housler's raw, which is not an adjective you want still associated with a fifth-year player. But he has the advantage over Cam of being cheap so we can afford to take a shot on him breaking out...
nope.....OL aren't allowed to catch passes on most plays, actually.....but there is a popular sneak they like use ala the ole "tackle eligible" play.....
OL can quietly report in as an eligible receiver in some situations(dont know what they are tho)....and then pop out for a quick pass..........
Situations like when the offense has the ball? Once an ineligible player reports as eligible he remains eligible until he reports a change back or leaves the field. And since the advent of field mics on the Ref, the announcement is no longer very quiet.
Designated seam threat and redzone big body...
Housler's raw, which is not an adjective you want still associated with a fifth-year player. But he has the advantage over Cam of being cheap so we can afford to take a shot on him breaking out...
Situations like when the offense has the ball? Once an ineligible player reports as eligible he remains eligible until he reports a change back or leaves the field. And since the advent of field mics on the Ref, the announcement is no longer very quiet.
Why don't they just all report as eligible then? Just in case.
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Designated seam threat and redzone big body...
Housler's raw, which is not an adjective you want still associated with a fifth-year player. But he has the advantage over Cam of being cheap so we can afford to take a shot on him breaking out...
Situations like when the offense has the ball? Once an ineligible player reports as eligible he remains eligible until he reports a change back or leaves the field. And since the advent of field mics on the Ref, the announcement is no longer very quiet.
Why don't they just all report as eligible then? Just in case.
Why don't they just all report as eligible then? Just in case.
There's only 5 eligible receivers (6 if you count the QB, which technically he is once another eligible receiver touches the ball) on the field at a time, and they can't be "covered" by another player on their team.
So the two players at either end of the field are eligible receivers and anyone in the backfield is considered an eligible receiver.
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Designated seam threat and redzone big body...
Housler's raw, which is not an adjective you want still associated with a fifth-year player. But he has the advantage over Cam of being cheap so we can afford to take a shot on him breaking out...
Situations like when the offense has the ball? Once an ineligible player reports as eligible he remains eligible until he reports a change back or leaves the field. And since the advent of field mics on the Ref, the announcement is no longer very quiet.
Why don't they just all report as eligible then? Just in case.
Why don't they just all report as eligible then? Just in case.
With seven men required to be on the line five have to be ineligible by definition.
Plus it is now illegal for an eligible player to line up in an illegible position without reporting as ineligible... thanks to the Pats.
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I tend to favor guys we've already invested time in while some of our late round picks/undrafted rookies can begin on the practice squad. Very happy about an active roster of 54.
all things being equal....me too.............Carder is a good example. Not so sure Pullard will beat him out, simply due to his lack of experience...
though, the GOOD part about new guys making the roster is that it typically indicates an upgrade.....so, to that end, I want as many new names as possible....
the GOOD part about new guys making the roster is that it typically indicates an upgrade.....so, to that end, I want as many new names as possible....
Those upgrades are always welcome. I'm wondering how many of our draftees will make the active roster and how many will be either starting or seeing significant time.
Not to be redundant; but I'm going to re-link my favorite overview (below) of our draft class because it gets pretty in-depth on each guy. I loved hearing Jimmy O'Neil say that our Offensive Line Coaches Andy Moeller & George DeLeone told him something along the line of Orchard was just ruining tape of several top offensive line prospects.
Here's the link: http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/videos/2015-Rookie-Spotlight/8a61b409-245f-4567-9ce4-d4069d8f7317
I welcome any feedback...
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I think we'll be surprised with Housler's production this year.
I think we'll be surprised with Housler's production this year.
It wasn't a bad signing at all Couch.
I remember back when we brought Steve Heiden here thinking it's hard to get too excited about the role we had waiting for him. Man, was I ever wrong about that. This guy had VERY underrated hands and caught some clutch passes. That said, we used him a lot to help set the edge for our running game way more than we could use Winslow in that role. What I liked most about all that is when he was in - we weren't tipping a tendency like we did with Winslow. When Winslow was in - everybody knew we weren't using him to block. When Heiden was in, defenses would think we were setting the edge and then he'd get open and make a clutch catch for us. He was a very effective/reliable dual purpose TE here.
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Browns must have been eavesdropping on this convo, as an article talking about this just popped up.....sounds like Flip is mixing it up.......
3) Offensive formations have been interesting
Tight end Rob Housler
was lined up as the outside receiver on more than one occasion. All 6-foot-5 of wide receiver Rodney Smith stood in the slot and hauled in a 20-yard pass a on seam pattern in the middle of the field. A passing drill had Terrance West at receiver. Another formation had Mayle in the backfield as a running back before he split in motion out wide.“Flip’ (offensive coordinator John DeFilippo) has some unique things that he’s putting in that, just looking at them from a defensive perspective, are very challenging,” Pettine said.
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It's a good article...
I liked the notes on K'waun:
- When K’Waun Williams broke up a pass on Andrew Hawkins – at least his third breakup of the day – defensive coordinator Jim O’Neil literally busted out an Irish dance jig and screamed, “Not in his house Hawk! Not in K’Waun’s house.” The Browns also used Williams in a variety of blitz packages throughout the OTA. Pettine said perhaps nobody’s leap in 2015 has been as noticeable as the second-year cornerback.
- “A lot of it’s just a credit to him that he took that time from January to April,” Pettine said. “You could see he looks different physically. He’s bigger, but he’s leaner. He’s moving better. It’s great to see him go against Hawk in the slot. Those are some of the battles I look forward to the most watching during practice.”
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I think they drafted very SMART guys who love the game, and are versatile.
Even a sixth round TE/FB/HB kind of guy could really add some different looks
to the offense:
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Speakin of the run defense... the Browns are fixing that at every turn.
http://dawgpounddaily.com/2015/06/02/cleveland-browns-awarded-dl-tory-slater-off-waivers/
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Speakin of the run defense... the Browns are fixing that at every turn.
http://dawgpounddaily.com/2015/06/02/cleveland-browns-awarded-dl-tory-slater-off-waivers/
Speakin of the run defense... the Browns are fixing that at every turn.
http://dawgpounddaily.com/2015/06/02/cleveland-browns-awarded-dl-tory-slater-off-waivers/
Slater is my vote for this year's Taylor Gabriel. Without even taking so much as a look at him, I feel like he's not only going to make the team, but he'll be a plus contributor and will get some looks.
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