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  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @stinkhole said:

    Its crystal clear that the Steelers are the best team in the div...the browns second.

    You can tell there's some steeler bias when you take RDS over Mosley, don't select Yanda and pick Gilbert as the best RT in the conference. Likewise for Tuitt and his small sample size compared to proven production over the course multiple seasons.

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    VagitronV Vagitron wrote on last edited by
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    @tiamat63 said:

    You can tell there's some steeler bias when you take RDS over Mosley, don't select Yanda and pick Gilbert as the best RT in the conference. Likewise for Tuitt and his small sample size compared to proven production over the course multiple seasons.

    Shazier when the dust settles will be better.

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    • VagitronV Vagitron

      @tiamat63 said:

      You can tell there's some steeler bias when you take RDS over Mosley, don't select Yanda and pick Gilbert as the best RT in the conference. Likewise for Tuitt and his small sample size compared to proven production over the course multiple seasons.

      Shazier when the dust settles will be better.

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      miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by
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      @vagitron said:

      Shazier when the dust settles will be better.

      no.

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      • VagitronV Vagitron

        @tiamat63 said:

        You can tell there's some steeler bias when you take RDS over Mosley, don't select Yanda and pick Gilbert as the best RT in the conference. Likewise for Tuitt and his small sample size compared to proven production over the course multiple seasons.

        Shazier when the dust settles will be better.

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        MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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        @vagitron said:

        Shazier when the dust settles will be better.

        ......if we're doing that, might as well just pencil Shelton and Cooper in for the next 10 years......

        Based upon stats and proven play, Dansby is the best MLB out of that group.....

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        • VagitronV Vagitron

          @tiamat63 said:

          You can tell there's some steeler bias when you take RDS over Mosley, don't select Yanda and pick Gilbert as the best RT in the conference. Likewise for Tuitt and his small sample size compared to proven production over the course multiple seasons.

          Shazier when the dust settles will be better.

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          tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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          @vagitron said:

          Shazier when the dust settles will be better.

          As much as I love RDS, there is no evidence to support this other then pure bias.

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            Here I am listing each of the projected starters at each position from all 4 teams in the AFC North.

            I am listing them in alphabetical order of Baltimore, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Pittsburgh.

            State whom you think is the best at each slot...and perhaps why:

            Baltimore...........Cincinnati..........Cleveland..........Pittsburgh

            Offense:

            LWR: Kamar Aiken...AJGreen...Andrew Hawkins...Antonio Brown

            RWR: Steve Smith...Muhammed Sanu...Brian Hartline...Markus Wheaton

            LOT: Eugene Moore...Andrew Whitworth...Joe Thomas...Kelvin Beachum

            LG: Kelechi Osemele...Clint Boling...Joel Bitonio...Ramon Foster

            OC: Jeremy Zuttah...TJ Johnson...Alex Mack...Maurkice Pouncey

            RG: Marshall Yanda...Dan France...John Greco...David DeCastro

            RT: Ricky Wagner...Eric Winston...Mitchell Schwartz...Marcus Gilbert

            TE: Crockett Gilmore...Tyler Eifert...Gary Barnidge...Heath Miller

            QB: Joe Flacco...Andy Dalton...Josh McCown...Ben Roethlisberger

            FB: Kyle Juszcyk...Mark Weisman...Malcom Johnson...Will Johnson

            RB: Justin Forsett...Jeremy Hill...Isaiah Crowell...Leveon Bell

            Defense:

            DE: Tim Jernigan...Geno Atkins...Randy Starks...Cam Heyward

            NT: Brandon Williams...Domata Peko...Phil Taylor...Steve McClendon

            DE: Chris Canty...Michael Johnson...Des. Bryant...Stephon Tuitt

            OLB: Terrell Suggs...Carlos Dunlap...Scott Solomon...Arthur Moats

            ILB: CJ Mosley...Emanual Lemur...Karlos Dansby...Ryan Shazier

            ILB: Daryl Smith...Rey Maualuga...Christian Kirksey...Lawrence Timmons

            OLB: Courtney Upshaw...Vontaze Burfict...Paul Kruger...Jarvis Jones

            LCB: Ladarius Webb...Dre Kirkpatrick...Joe Haden...William Gay

            SS: Will Hill...George Iloka...Donte Whitner...Shamarko Thomas

            FS: Kendrick Lewis...Reggie Nelson...Tashaun Gipson...Mike Mitchell

            RCB: Jimmy Smith...Leon Hall...Tramon Williams...Allen Cortez

            Special Teams:

            Punter: Sam Koch...Kevin Huber...Andy Lee...Brad Wing

            Kicker: Justin Tucker...Mike Nugent...Travis Coons...Garret Hartley

            Punt Returner: Michael Campanaro...Adam Jones...Travis Benjamin...Antonio Brown

            Kick Returner: Asa Jackson...Brandon Tate...Marlon Moore...Markus Wheaton

            I realize there may be some changes coming in these depth charts....Feel free to point out where you think people will be shuffled around or replaced.

            Choose who is tops....or to place in order.

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            Mike HM Mike H wrote on last edited by
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            @the-gipper said:

            Here I am listing each of the projected starters at each position from all 4 teams in the AFC North.

            I am listing them in alphabetical order of Baltimore, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Pittsburgh.

            State whom you think is the best at each slot...and perhaps why:

            Baltimore...........Cincinnati..........Cleveland..........Pittsburgh

            Offense:

            LWR: Kamar Aiken...AJGreen...Andrew Hawkins...Antonio Brown

            RWR: Steve Smith...Muhammed Sanu...Brian Hartline...Markus Wheaton

            LOT: Eugene Moore...Andrew Whitworth...Joe Thomas...Kelvin Beachum

            LG: Kelechi Osemele...Clint Boling...Joel Bitonio...Ramon Foster

            OC: Jeremy Zuttah...TJ Johnson...Alex Mack...Maurkice Pouncey

            RG: Marshall Yanda...Dan France...John Greco...David DeCastro

            RT: Ricky Wagner...Eric Winston...Mitchell Schwartz...Marcus Gilbert

            TE: Crockett Gilmore...Tyler Eifert...Gary Barnidge...Heath Miller

            QB: Joe Flacco...Andy Dalton...Josh McCown...Ben Roethlisberger

            FB: Kyle Juszcyk...Mark Weisman...Malcom Johnson...Will Johnson

            RB: Justin Forsett...Jeremy Hill...Isaiah Crowell...Leveon Bell

            Defense:

            DE: Tim Jernigan...Geno Atkins...Randy Starks...Cam Heyward

            NT: Brandon Williams...Domata Peko...Phil Taylor...Steve McClendon

            DE: Chris Canty...Michael Johnson...Des. Bryant...Stephon Tuitt

            OLB: Terrell Suggs...Carlos Dunlap...Scott Solomon...Arthur Moats

            ILB: CJ Mosley...Emanual Lemur...Karlos Dansby...Ryan Shazier

            ILB: Daryl Smith...Rey Maualuga...Christian Kirksey...Lawrence Timmons

            OLB: Courtney Upshaw...Vontaze Burfict...Paul Kruger...Jarvis Jones

            LCB: Ladarius Webb...Dre Kirkpatrick...Joe Haden...William Gay

            SS: Will Hill...George Iloka...Donte Whitner...Shamarko Thomas

            FS: Kendrick Lewis...Reggie Nelson...Tashaun Gipson...Mike Mitchell

            RCB: Jimmy Smith...Leon Hall...Tramon Williams...Allen Cortez

            Special Teams:

            Punter: Sam Koch...Kevin Huber...Andy Lee...Brad Wing

            Kicker: Justin Tucker...Mike Nugent...Travis Coons...Garret Hartley

            Punt Returner: Michael Campanaro...Adam Jones...Travis Benjamin...Antonio Brown

            Kick Returner: Asa Jackson...Brandon Tate...Marlon Moore...Markus Wheaton

            I realize there may be some changes coming in these depth charts....Feel free to point out where you think people will be shuffled around or replaced.

            Choose who is tops....or to place in order.

            I like Cincy to win the division again and choke in the playoffs.

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              @vagitron said:

              Shazier when the dust settles will be better.

              ......if we're doing that, might as well just pencil Shelton and Cooper in for the next 10 years......

              Based upon stats and proven play, Dansby is the best MLB out of that group.....

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              VagitronV Vagitron wrote on last edited by Vagitron
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              @mudfly said:

              ......if we're doing that, might as well just pencil Shelton and Cooper in for the next 10 years......

              Based upon stats and proven play, Dansby is the best MLB out of that group.....

              I was only comparing shazier to mosely. Follow along.
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              • tiamat63T tiamat63

                @vagitron said:

                Shazier when the dust settles will be better.

                As much as I love RDS, there is no evidence to support this other then pure bias.

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                VagitronV Vagitron wrote on last edited by
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                @tiamat63 said:

                As much as I love RDS, there is no evidence to support this other then pure bias.

                Mosely had a nice season no doubt. Shazier before his injury was a tackling machine and very disruptive. He's already picking up where he left off and he's a better athlete than mosely. I wouldn't be surprised if Shazier leads the NFL in tackles. His speed is unreal he just needs to stay healthy.

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                  MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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                  Dont know if anyone else watched the Eagles slay the Ravens last night......but WOW.....Ravens looked terrible.....

                  really really bad......

                  really bad.....

                  just bad....

                  baaad...

                  bad.

                  .

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                  • Mike HM Mike H

                    @the-gipper said:

                    Here I am listing each of the projected starters at each position from all 4 teams in the AFC North.

                    I am listing them in alphabetical order of Baltimore, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Pittsburgh.

                    State whom you think is the best at each slot...and perhaps why:

                    Baltimore...........Cincinnati..........Cleveland..........Pittsburgh

                    Offense:

                    LWR: Kamar Aiken...AJGreen...Andrew Hawkins...Antonio Brown

                    RWR: Steve Smith...Muhammed Sanu...Brian Hartline...Markus Wheaton

                    LOT: Eugene Moore...Andrew Whitworth...Joe Thomas...Kelvin Beachum

                    LG: Kelechi Osemele...Clint Boling...Joel Bitonio...Ramon Foster

                    OC: Jeremy Zuttah...TJ Johnson...Alex Mack...Maurkice Pouncey

                    RG: Marshall Yanda...Dan France...John Greco...David DeCastro

                    RT: Ricky Wagner...Eric Winston...Mitchell Schwartz...Marcus Gilbert

                    TE: Crockett Gilmore...Tyler Eifert...Gary Barnidge...Heath Miller

                    QB: Joe Flacco...Andy Dalton...Josh McCown...Ben Roethlisberger

                    FB: Kyle Juszcyk...Mark Weisman...Malcom Johnson...Will Johnson

                    RB: Justin Forsett...Jeremy Hill...Isaiah Crowell...Leveon Bell

                    Defense:

                    DE: Tim Jernigan...Geno Atkins...Randy Starks...Cam Heyward

                    NT: Brandon Williams...Domata Peko...Phil Taylor...Steve McClendon

                    DE: Chris Canty...Michael Johnson...Des. Bryant...Stephon Tuitt

                    OLB: Terrell Suggs...Carlos Dunlap...Scott Solomon...Arthur Moats

                    ILB: CJ Mosley...Emanual Lemur...Karlos Dansby...Ryan Shazier

                    ILB: Daryl Smith...Rey Maualuga...Christian Kirksey...Lawrence Timmons

                    OLB: Courtney Upshaw...Vontaze Burfict...Paul Kruger...Jarvis Jones

                    LCB: Ladarius Webb...Dre Kirkpatrick...Joe Haden...William Gay

                    SS: Will Hill...George Iloka...Donte Whitner...Shamarko Thomas

                    FS: Kendrick Lewis...Reggie Nelson...Tashaun Gipson...Mike Mitchell

                    RCB: Jimmy Smith...Leon Hall...Tramon Williams...Allen Cortez

                    Special Teams:

                    Punter: Sam Koch...Kevin Huber...Andy Lee...Brad Wing

                    Kicker: Justin Tucker...Mike Nugent...Travis Coons...Garret Hartley

                    Punt Returner: Michael Campanaro...Adam Jones...Travis Benjamin...Antonio Brown

                    Kick Returner: Asa Jackson...Brandon Tate...Marlon Moore...Markus Wheaton

                    I realize there may be some changes coming in these depth charts....Feel free to point out where you think people will be shuffled around or replaced.

                    Choose who is tops....or to place in order.

                    I like Cincy to win the division again and choke in the playoffs.

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                    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by Tour2ma
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                    Recorded it for viewing this week... thanks for the spoiler... 🙁

                    @mike-h said:

                    I like Cincy to win the division again and choke in the playoffs.

                    We've got to quit agreeing...

                    Cinci is shaping up to be the most complete team in the AFCN.

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                    • Tour2maT Tour2ma

                      Recorded it for viewing this week... thanks for the spoiler... 🙁

                      @mike-h said:

                      I like Cincy to win the division again and choke in the playoffs.

                      We've got to quit agreeing...

                      Cinci is shaping up to be the most complete team in the AFCN.

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                      @tour2ma said:

                      Recorded it for viewing this week... thanks for the spoiler... 🙁

                      Happy to help...😉

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                      • Tour2maT Tour2ma

                        Recorded it for viewing this week... thanks for the spoiler... 🙁

                        @mike-h said:

                        I like Cincy to win the division again and choke in the playoffs.

                        We've got to quit agreeing...

                        Cinci is shaping up to be the most complete team in the AFCN.

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                        VagitronV Vagitron wrote on last edited by
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                        @tour2ma said:

                        Recorded it for viewing this week... thanks for the spoiler... 🙁

                        We've got to quit agreeing...

                        Cinci is shaping up to be the most complete team in the AFCN.

                        And then you realize Andy Dalton is the qb. Steelers, Bengals, Ravens, Browns. Bank it.
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                        • VagitronV Vagitron

                          @tour2ma said:

                          Recorded it for viewing this week... thanks for the spoiler... 🙁

                          We've got to quit agreeing...

                          Cinci is shaping up to be the most complete team in the AFCN.

                          And then you realize Andy Dalton is the qb. Steelers, Bengals, Ravens, Browns. Bank it.
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                          Mike HM Mike H wrote on last edited by Mike H
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                          @vagitron said:

                          And then you realize Andy Dalton is the qb. Steelers, Bengals, Ravens, Browns. Bank it.

                          Your defense is really bad, I'm not sure how you can say that. At least we're realistic here, you're still in the clouds.

                          Bengals, Browns, Steelers, Ravens

                          Bank it.

                          You hillbillies should fix your field too, it just claimed Jordy Nelson.

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                            W wargograw wrote on last edited by
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                            Steelers, Bengals, Browns, Ravens. All within 3 games of each other. Capiche?

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                              MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                              It's like two extremes going back and forth. Either the side that has the Steelers unrealistically good and browns unrealistically bad... Or the classic brown and orange tinted glasses view. Both are usually pretty biased.

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                                DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                                Browns, Bengals, Ravens, Steelers.

                                "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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                                  Browns, Steelers, Ravens, Bengals

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                                    @tour2ma said:

                                    Recorded it for viewing this week... thanks for the spoiler... 🙁

                                    We've got to quit agreeing...

                                    Cinci is shaping up to be the most complete team in the AFCN.

                                    And then you realize Andy Dalton is the qb. Steelers, Bengals, Ravens, Browns. Bank it.
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                                    ComeonmanC Comeonman wrote on last edited by Comeonman
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                                    @vagitron said:

                                    And then you realize Andy Dalton is the qb. Steelers, Bengals, Ravens, Browns. Bank it.

                                    I'd take that bet in a heartbeat
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                                      @vagitron said:

                                      And then you realize Andy Dalton is the qb. Steelers, Bengals, Ravens, Browns. Bank it.

                                      I'd take that bet in a heartbeat
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                                      VagitronV Vagitron wrote on last edited by Vagitron
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                                      @comeonman said:

                                      I'd take that bet in a heartbeat

                                      What bet? I didn't say anything about a bet but I whole heartedly believe the steelers will win the division.

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                                        @comeonman said:

                                        I'd take that bet in a heartbeat

                                        What bet? I didn't say anything about a bet but I whole heartedly believe the steelers will win the division.

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                                        @vagitron said:

                                        What bet? I didn't say anything about a bet but I whole heartedly believe the steelers will win the division.

                                        Notice the "I'd" not I'll. The first means I would, while second means I will. If it were a bet, I would take it.
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                                          It's like two extremes going back and forth. Either the side that has the Steelers unrealistically good and browns unrealistically bad... Or the classic brown and orange tinted glasses view. Both are usually pretty biased.

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                                          StinkHoleS StinkHole wrote on last edited by
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                                          @mld-woody said:

                                          It's like two extremes going back and forth. Either the side that has the Steelers unrealistically good and browns unrealistically bad... Or the classic brown and orange tinted glasses view. Both are usually pretty biased.

                                          Cant really argue with that...as in the old stock market adage that "past performance does not guarantee future results."

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