Who is the best in the AFCN
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You can tell there's some steeler bias when you take RDS over Mosley, don't select Yanda and pick Gilbert as the best RT in the conference. Likewise for Tuitt and his small sample size compared to proven production over the course multiple seasons.
Shazier when the dust settles will be better.
Shazier when the dust settles will be better.
As much as I love RDS, there is no evidence to support this other then pure bias.
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Here I am listing each of the projected starters at each position from all 4 teams in the AFC North.
I am listing them in alphabetical order of Baltimore, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Pittsburgh.
State whom you think is the best at each slot...and perhaps why:
Baltimore...........Cincinnati..........Cleveland..........Pittsburgh
Offense:
LWR: Kamar Aiken...AJGreen...Andrew Hawkins...Antonio Brown
RWR: Steve Smith...Muhammed Sanu...Brian Hartline...Markus Wheaton
LOT: Eugene Moore...Andrew Whitworth...Joe Thomas...Kelvin Beachum
LG: Kelechi Osemele...Clint Boling...Joel Bitonio...Ramon Foster
OC: Jeremy Zuttah...TJ Johnson...Alex Mack...Maurkice Pouncey
RG: Marshall Yanda...Dan France...John Greco...David DeCastro
RT: Ricky Wagner...Eric Winston...Mitchell Schwartz...Marcus Gilbert
TE: Crockett Gilmore...Tyler Eifert...Gary Barnidge...Heath Miller
QB: Joe Flacco...Andy Dalton...Josh McCown...Ben Roethlisberger
FB: Kyle Juszcyk...Mark Weisman...Malcom Johnson...Will Johnson
RB: Justin Forsett...Jeremy Hill...Isaiah Crowell...Leveon Bell
Defense:
DE: Tim Jernigan...Geno Atkins...Randy Starks...Cam Heyward
NT: Brandon Williams...Domata Peko...Phil Taylor...Steve McClendon
DE: Chris Canty...Michael Johnson...Des. Bryant...Stephon Tuitt
OLB: Terrell Suggs...Carlos Dunlap...Scott Solomon...Arthur Moats
ILB: CJ Mosley...Emanual Lemur...Karlos Dansby...Ryan Shazier
ILB: Daryl Smith...Rey Maualuga...Christian Kirksey...Lawrence Timmons
OLB: Courtney Upshaw...Vontaze Burfict...Paul Kruger...Jarvis Jones
LCB: Ladarius Webb...Dre Kirkpatrick...Joe Haden...William Gay
SS: Will Hill...George Iloka...Donte Whitner...Shamarko Thomas
FS: Kendrick Lewis...Reggie Nelson...Tashaun Gipson...Mike Mitchell
RCB: Jimmy Smith...Leon Hall...Tramon Williams...Allen Cortez
Special Teams:
Punter: Sam Koch...Kevin Huber...Andy Lee...Brad Wing
Kicker: Justin Tucker...Mike Nugent...Travis Coons...Garret Hartley
Punt Returner: Michael Campanaro...Adam Jones...Travis Benjamin...Antonio Brown
Kick Returner: Asa Jackson...Brandon Tate...Marlon Moore...Markus Wheaton
I realize there may be some changes coming in these depth charts....Feel free to point out where you think people will be shuffled around or replaced.
Choose who is tops....or to place in order.
Here I am listing each of the projected starters at each position from all 4 teams in the AFC North.
I am listing them in alphabetical order of Baltimore, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Pittsburgh.
State whom you think is the best at each slot...and perhaps why:
Baltimore...........Cincinnati..........Cleveland..........Pittsburgh
Offense:
LWR: Kamar Aiken...AJGreen...Andrew Hawkins...Antonio Brown
RWR: Steve Smith...Muhammed Sanu...Brian Hartline...Markus Wheaton
LOT: Eugene Moore...Andrew Whitworth...Joe Thomas...Kelvin Beachum
LG: Kelechi Osemele...Clint Boling...Joel Bitonio...Ramon Foster
OC: Jeremy Zuttah...TJ Johnson...Alex Mack...Maurkice Pouncey
RG: Marshall Yanda...Dan France...John Greco...David DeCastro
RT: Ricky Wagner...Eric Winston...Mitchell Schwartz...Marcus Gilbert
TE: Crockett Gilmore...Tyler Eifert...Gary Barnidge...Heath Miller
QB: Joe Flacco...Andy Dalton...Josh McCown...Ben Roethlisberger
FB: Kyle Juszcyk...Mark Weisman...Malcom Johnson...Will Johnson
RB: Justin Forsett...Jeremy Hill...Isaiah Crowell...Leveon Bell
Defense:
DE: Tim Jernigan...Geno Atkins...Randy Starks...Cam Heyward
NT: Brandon Williams...Domata Peko...Phil Taylor...Steve McClendon
DE: Chris Canty...Michael Johnson...Des. Bryant...Stephon Tuitt
OLB: Terrell Suggs...Carlos Dunlap...Scott Solomon...Arthur Moats
ILB: CJ Mosley...Emanual Lemur...Karlos Dansby...Ryan Shazier
ILB: Daryl Smith...Rey Maualuga...Christian Kirksey...Lawrence Timmons
OLB: Courtney Upshaw...Vontaze Burfict...Paul Kruger...Jarvis Jones
LCB: Ladarius Webb...Dre Kirkpatrick...Joe Haden...William Gay
SS: Will Hill...George Iloka...Donte Whitner...Shamarko Thomas
FS: Kendrick Lewis...Reggie Nelson...Tashaun Gipson...Mike Mitchell
RCB: Jimmy Smith...Leon Hall...Tramon Williams...Allen Cortez
Special Teams:
Punter: Sam Koch...Kevin Huber...Andy Lee...Brad Wing
Kicker: Justin Tucker...Mike Nugent...Travis Coons...Garret Hartley
Punt Returner: Michael Campanaro...Adam Jones...Travis Benjamin...Antonio Brown
Kick Returner: Asa Jackson...Brandon Tate...Marlon Moore...Markus Wheaton
I realize there may be some changes coming in these depth charts....Feel free to point out where you think people will be shuffled around or replaced.
Choose who is tops....or to place in order.
I like Cincy to win the division again and choke in the playoffs.
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I was only comparing shazier to mosely. Follow along.......if we're doing that, might as well just pencil Shelton and Cooper in for the next 10 years......
Based upon stats and proven play, Dansby is the best MLB out of that group.....
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
As much as I love RDS, there is no evidence to support this other then pure bias.
Mosely had a nice season no doubt. Shazier before his injury was a tackling machine and very disruptive. He's already picking up where he left off and he's a better athlete than mosely. I wouldn't be surprised if Shazier leads the NFL in tackles. His speed is unreal he just needs to stay healthy.
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Here I am listing each of the projected starters at each position from all 4 teams in the AFC North.
I am listing them in alphabetical order of Baltimore, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Pittsburgh.
State whom you think is the best at each slot...and perhaps why:
Baltimore...........Cincinnati..........Cleveland..........Pittsburgh
Offense:
LWR: Kamar Aiken...AJGreen...Andrew Hawkins...Antonio Brown
RWR: Steve Smith...Muhammed Sanu...Brian Hartline...Markus Wheaton
LOT: Eugene Moore...Andrew Whitworth...Joe Thomas...Kelvin Beachum
LG: Kelechi Osemele...Clint Boling...Joel Bitonio...Ramon Foster
OC: Jeremy Zuttah...TJ Johnson...Alex Mack...Maurkice Pouncey
RG: Marshall Yanda...Dan France...John Greco...David DeCastro
RT: Ricky Wagner...Eric Winston...Mitchell Schwartz...Marcus Gilbert
TE: Crockett Gilmore...Tyler Eifert...Gary Barnidge...Heath Miller
QB: Joe Flacco...Andy Dalton...Josh McCown...Ben Roethlisberger
FB: Kyle Juszcyk...Mark Weisman...Malcom Johnson...Will Johnson
RB: Justin Forsett...Jeremy Hill...Isaiah Crowell...Leveon Bell
Defense:
DE: Tim Jernigan...Geno Atkins...Randy Starks...Cam Heyward
NT: Brandon Williams...Domata Peko...Phil Taylor...Steve McClendon
DE: Chris Canty...Michael Johnson...Des. Bryant...Stephon Tuitt
OLB: Terrell Suggs...Carlos Dunlap...Scott Solomon...Arthur Moats
ILB: CJ Mosley...Emanual Lemur...Karlos Dansby...Ryan Shazier
ILB: Daryl Smith...Rey Maualuga...Christian Kirksey...Lawrence Timmons
OLB: Courtney Upshaw...Vontaze Burfict...Paul Kruger...Jarvis Jones
LCB: Ladarius Webb...Dre Kirkpatrick...Joe Haden...William Gay
SS: Will Hill...George Iloka...Donte Whitner...Shamarko Thomas
FS: Kendrick Lewis...Reggie Nelson...Tashaun Gipson...Mike Mitchell
RCB: Jimmy Smith...Leon Hall...Tramon Williams...Allen Cortez
Special Teams:
Punter: Sam Koch...Kevin Huber...Andy Lee...Brad Wing
Kicker: Justin Tucker...Mike Nugent...Travis Coons...Garret Hartley
Punt Returner: Michael Campanaro...Adam Jones...Travis Benjamin...Antonio Brown
Kick Returner: Asa Jackson...Brandon Tate...Marlon Moore...Markus Wheaton
I realize there may be some changes coming in these depth charts....Feel free to point out where you think people will be shuffled around or replaced.
Choose who is tops....or to place in order.
I like Cincy to win the division again and choke in the playoffs.
Recorded it for viewing this week... thanks for the spoiler...
I like Cincy to win the division again and choke in the playoffs.
We've got to quit agreeing...
Cinci is shaping up to be the most complete team in the AFCN.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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And then you realize Andy Dalton is the qb. Steelers, Bengals, Ravens, Browns. Bank it.Recorded it for viewing this week... thanks for the spoiler...
We've got to quit agreeing...
Cinci is shaping up to be the most complete team in the AFCN.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
And then you realize Andy Dalton is the qb. Steelers, Bengals, Ravens, Browns. Bank it.
Your defense is really bad, I'm not sure how you can say that. At least we're realistic here, you're still in the clouds.
Bengals, Browns, Steelers, Ravens
Bank it.
You hillbillies should fix your field too, it just claimed Jordy Nelson.
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Steelers, Bengals, Browns, Ravens. All within 3 games of each other. Capiche?
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It's like two extremes going back and forth. Either the side that has the Steelers unrealistically good and browns unrealistically bad... Or the classic brown and orange tinted glasses view. Both are usually pretty biased.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Browns, Bengals, Ravens, Steelers.
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I'd take that bet in a heartbeatAnd then you realize Andy Dalton is the qb. Steelers, Bengals, Ravens, Browns. Bank it.
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I'd take that bet in a heartbeat
What bet? I didn't say anything about a bet but I whole heartedly believe the steelers will win the division.
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I'd take that bet in a heartbeat
What bet? I didn't say anything about a bet but I whole heartedly believe the steelers will win the division.
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It's like two extremes going back and forth. Either the side that has the Steelers unrealistically good and browns unrealistically bad... Or the classic brown and orange tinted glasses view. Both are usually pretty biased.
It's like two extremes going back and forth. Either the side that has the Steelers unrealistically good and browns unrealistically bad... Or the classic brown and orange tinted glasses view. Both are usually pretty biased.
Cant really argue with that...as in the old stock market adage that "past performance does not guarantee future results."
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Here I am listing each of the projected starters at each position from all 4 teams in the AFC North.
I am listing them in alphabetical order of Baltimore, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Pittsburgh.
State whom you think is the best at each slot...and perhaps why:
Baltimore...........Cincinnati..........Cleveland..........Pittsburgh
Offense:
LWR: Kamar Aiken...AJGreen...Andrew Hawkins...Antonio Brown
RWR: Steve Smith...Muhammed Sanu...Brian Hartline...Markus Wheaton
LOT: Eugene Moore...Andrew Whitworth...Joe Thomas...Kelvin Beachum
LG: Kelechi Osemele...Clint Boling...Joel Bitonio...Ramon Foster
OC: Jeremy Zuttah...TJ Johnson...Alex Mack...Maurkice Pouncey... Tie
RG: Marshall Yanda...Dan France...John Greco...David DeCastro
RT: Ricky Wagner...Eric Winston...Mitchell Schwartz...Marcus Gilbert
TE: Crockett Gilmore...Tyler Eifert...Gary Barnidge...Heath Miller
QB: Joe Flacco...Andy Dalton...Josh McCown...Ben Roethlisberger
FB: Kyle Juszcyk...Mark Weisman...Malcom Johnson...Will Johnson
RB: Justin Forsett...Jeremy Hill...Isaiah Crowell...Leveon Bell
Defense:
DE: Tim Jernigan...Geno Atkins...Randy Starks...Cam Heyward
NT: Brandon Williams...Domata Peko...Phil Taylor...Steve McClendon
DE: Chris Canty...Michael Johnson...Des. Bryant...Stephon Tuitt
OLB: Terrell Suggs...Carlos Dunlap...Scott Solomon...Arthur Moats
ILB: CJ Mosley...Emanual Lemur...Karlos Dansby...Ryan Shazier
ILB: Daryl Smith...Rey Maualuga...Christian Kirksey...Lawrence Timmons
OLB: Courtney Upshaw...Vontaze Burfict...Paul Kruger...Jarvis Jones
LCB: Ladarius Webb...Dre Kirkpatrick...Joe Haden...William Gay
SS: Will Hill...George Iloka...Donte Whitner...Shamarko Thomas
FS: Kendrick Lewis...Reggie Nelson...Tashaun Gipson...Mike Mitchell
RCB: Jimmy Smith...Leon Hall...Tramon Williams...Allen Cortez
Special Teams:
Punter: Sam Koch...Kevin Huber...Andy Lee...Brad Wing
Kicker: Justin Tucker...Mike Nugent...Travis Coons...Garret Hartley
Punt Returner: Michael Campanaro...Adam Jones...Travis Benjamin...Antonio Brown
Kick Returner: Asa Jackson...Brandon Tate...Marlon Moore...Markus Wheaton
I realize there may be some changes coming in these depth charts....Feel free to point out where you think people will be shuffled around or replaced.
Choose who is tops....or to place in order.
Its crystal clear that the Steelers are the best team in the div...the browns second.
Its crystal clear that the Steelers are the best team in the div...the browns second.
Yea, I don't think it is quite so clear. I have the Steelers having the top dog in only like 3-4 spots:
QB with BR
RB with Bell
Timmons at LB
Brown as one of top 2 WRs. I would still put AJ Green as the top WR in the division.....but since we get to put 2 WRs int he starting lineup, Brown gets a spot.
But Gilbert: no way. (I think he is at best 3rd)
Heath Miller: 5 years ago, sure. Not now
Shazier is completely unproven. Maybe in a year or two he can be elevated....but not yet.
Tuitt....no. Competent....but not any better than the other NTs.
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You can tell there's some steeler bias when you take RDS over Mosley, don't select Yanda and pick Gilbert as the best RT in the conference. Likewise for Tuitt and his small sample size compared to proven production over the course multiple seasons.
Shazier when the dust settles will be better.
Shazier when the dust settles will be better.
Yea, maybe.....but so far in his career he has played no better than Christian Kirksey. Injuries have hurt him yes.
Like I said: maybe.
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I was only comparing shazier to mosely. Follow along.
But you are basing your opinion on conjecture...potential. And he pointed out that if we are just going on potential, then Danny Shelton and X. Cooper may be dominant defensive linemen as soon as Shazier will be a dominant LB.
And, as noted, Christian Kirksey may in fact be the equal or better than Shazier....when everything shakes out. While the Ourlads has one playing on one side and the other playing on the other side, they are still both ILBs.
Kirksey has got the better of it so far:
47 tackles, 34 assists, 2 sacks, 1 forced fumble 3 passes defensed
Shazier:
27 tackles, 13 assists, 0 sacks 0 forced fumbles 1 pass defensed.
Sure, neither was a full time player and Kirksey played about 3 more games.....but he still projected out as more productive.
I am not denying Shaziers talent (as an OSU fan why would I?).
Its just that it really remains to be seen.
As for Mosley....well, he was a full time starter his rookie year unlike the other two but here are his far superior numbers:
99 tackles 52 assists, 3 sacks, 2 interceptions, 1 forced fumble, 1 fumble return
He has the better of it over both of them at this point.
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