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  • @tiamat63 said:

    You can tell there's some steeler bias when you take RDS over Mosley, don't select Yanda and pick Gilbert as the best RT in the conference. Likewise for Tuitt and his small sample size compared to proven production over the course multiple seasons.

    Shazier when the dust settles will be better.

    @vagitron said:

    Shazier when the dust settles will be better.

    ......if we're doing that, might as well just pencil Shelton and Cooper in for the next 10 years......

    Based upon stats and proven play, Dansby is the best MLB out of that group.....

  • @tiamat63 said:

    You can tell there's some steeler bias when you take RDS over Mosley, don't select Yanda and pick Gilbert as the best RT in the conference. Likewise for Tuitt and his small sample size compared to proven production over the course multiple seasons.

    Shazier when the dust settles will be better.

    @vagitron said:

    Shazier when the dust settles will be better.

    As much as I love RDS, there is no evidence to support this other then pure bias.

  • Here I am listing each of the projected starters at each position from all 4 teams in the AFC North.

    I am listing them in alphabetical order of Baltimore, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Pittsburgh.

    State whom you think is the best at each slot...and perhaps why:

    Baltimore...........Cincinnati..........Cleveland..........Pittsburgh

    Offense:

    LWR: Kamar Aiken...AJGreen...Andrew Hawkins...Antonio Brown

    RWR: Steve Smith...Muhammed Sanu...Brian Hartline...Markus Wheaton

    LOT: Eugene Moore...Andrew Whitworth...Joe Thomas...Kelvin Beachum

    LG: Kelechi Osemele...Clint Boling...Joel Bitonio...Ramon Foster

    OC: Jeremy Zuttah...TJ Johnson...Alex Mack...Maurkice Pouncey

    RG: Marshall Yanda...Dan France...John Greco...David DeCastro

    RT: Ricky Wagner...Eric Winston...Mitchell Schwartz...Marcus Gilbert

    TE: Crockett Gilmore...Tyler Eifert...Gary Barnidge...Heath Miller

    QB: Joe Flacco...Andy Dalton...Josh McCown...Ben Roethlisberger

    FB: Kyle Juszcyk...Mark Weisman...Malcom Johnson...Will Johnson

    RB: Justin Forsett...Jeremy Hill...Isaiah Crowell...Leveon Bell

    Defense:

    DE: Tim Jernigan...Geno Atkins...Randy Starks...Cam Heyward

    NT: Brandon Williams...Domata Peko...Phil Taylor...Steve McClendon

    DE: Chris Canty...Michael Johnson...Des. Bryant...Stephon Tuitt

    OLB: Terrell Suggs...Carlos Dunlap...Scott Solomon...Arthur Moats

    ILB: CJ Mosley...Emanual Lemur...Karlos Dansby...Ryan Shazier

    ILB: Daryl Smith...Rey Maualuga...Christian Kirksey...Lawrence Timmons

    OLB: Courtney Upshaw...Vontaze Burfict...Paul Kruger...Jarvis Jones

    LCB: Ladarius Webb...Dre Kirkpatrick...Joe Haden...William Gay

    SS: Will Hill...George Iloka...Donte Whitner...Shamarko Thomas

    FS: Kendrick Lewis...Reggie Nelson...Tashaun Gipson...Mike Mitchell

    RCB: Jimmy Smith...Leon Hall...Tramon Williams...Allen Cortez

    Special Teams:

    Punter: Sam Koch...Kevin Huber...Andy Lee...Brad Wing

    Kicker: Justin Tucker...Mike Nugent...Travis Coons...Garret Hartley

    Punt Returner: Michael Campanaro...Adam Jones...Travis Benjamin...Antonio Brown

    Kick Returner: Asa Jackson...Brandon Tate...Marlon Moore...Markus Wheaton

    I realize there may be some changes coming in these depth charts....Feel free to point out where you think people will be shuffled around or replaced.

    Choose who is tops....or to place in order.

    @the-gipper said:

    Here I am listing each of the projected starters at each position from all 4 teams in the AFC North.

    I am listing them in alphabetical order of Baltimore, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Pittsburgh.

    State whom you think is the best at each slot...and perhaps why:

    Baltimore...........Cincinnati..........Cleveland..........Pittsburgh

    Offense:

    LWR: Kamar Aiken...AJGreen...Andrew Hawkins...Antonio Brown

    RWR: Steve Smith...Muhammed Sanu...Brian Hartline...Markus Wheaton

    LOT: Eugene Moore...Andrew Whitworth...Joe Thomas...Kelvin Beachum

    LG: Kelechi Osemele...Clint Boling...Joel Bitonio...Ramon Foster

    OC: Jeremy Zuttah...TJ Johnson...Alex Mack...Maurkice Pouncey

    RG: Marshall Yanda...Dan France...John Greco...David DeCastro

    RT: Ricky Wagner...Eric Winston...Mitchell Schwartz...Marcus Gilbert

    TE: Crockett Gilmore...Tyler Eifert...Gary Barnidge...Heath Miller

    QB: Joe Flacco...Andy Dalton...Josh McCown...Ben Roethlisberger

    FB: Kyle Juszcyk...Mark Weisman...Malcom Johnson...Will Johnson

    RB: Justin Forsett...Jeremy Hill...Isaiah Crowell...Leveon Bell

    Defense:

    DE: Tim Jernigan...Geno Atkins...Randy Starks...Cam Heyward

    NT: Brandon Williams...Domata Peko...Phil Taylor...Steve McClendon

    DE: Chris Canty...Michael Johnson...Des. Bryant...Stephon Tuitt

    OLB: Terrell Suggs...Carlos Dunlap...Scott Solomon...Arthur Moats

    ILB: CJ Mosley...Emanual Lemur...Karlos Dansby...Ryan Shazier

    ILB: Daryl Smith...Rey Maualuga...Christian Kirksey...Lawrence Timmons

    OLB: Courtney Upshaw...Vontaze Burfict...Paul Kruger...Jarvis Jones

    LCB: Ladarius Webb...Dre Kirkpatrick...Joe Haden...William Gay

    SS: Will Hill...George Iloka...Donte Whitner...Shamarko Thomas

    FS: Kendrick Lewis...Reggie Nelson...Tashaun Gipson...Mike Mitchell

    RCB: Jimmy Smith...Leon Hall...Tramon Williams...Allen Cortez

    Special Teams:

    Punter: Sam Koch...Kevin Huber...Andy Lee...Brad Wing

    Kicker: Justin Tucker...Mike Nugent...Travis Coons...Garret Hartley

    Punt Returner: Michael Campanaro...Adam Jones...Travis Benjamin...Antonio Brown

    Kick Returner: Asa Jackson...Brandon Tate...Marlon Moore...Markus Wheaton

    I realize there may be some changes coming in these depth charts....Feel free to point out where you think people will be shuffled around or replaced.

    Choose who is tops....or to place in order.

    I like Cincy to win the division again and choke in the playoffs.

  • @vagitron said:

    Shazier when the dust settles will be better.

    ......if we're doing that, might as well just pencil Shelton and Cooper in for the next 10 years......

    Based upon stats and proven play, Dansby is the best MLB out of that group.....

    @mudfly said:

    ......if we're doing that, might as well just pencil Shelton and Cooper in for the next 10 years......

    Based upon stats and proven play, Dansby is the best MLB out of that group.....

    I was only comparing shazier to mosely. Follow along.
  • @vagitron said:

    Shazier when the dust settles will be better.

    As much as I love RDS, there is no evidence to support this other then pure bias.

    @tiamat63 said:

    As much as I love RDS, there is no evidence to support this other then pure bias.

    Mosely had a nice season no doubt. Shazier before his injury was a tackling machine and very disruptive. He's already picking up where he left off and he's a better athlete than mosely. I wouldn't be surprised if Shazier leads the NFL in tackles. His speed is unreal he just needs to stay healthy.

  • Dont know if anyone else watched the Eagles slay the Ravens last night......but WOW.....Ravens looked terrible.....

    really really bad......

    really bad.....

    just bad....

    baaad...

    bad.

    .

  • @the-gipper said:

    Here I am listing each of the projected starters at each position from all 4 teams in the AFC North.

    I am listing them in alphabetical order of Baltimore, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Pittsburgh.

    State whom you think is the best at each slot...and perhaps why:

    Baltimore...........Cincinnati..........Cleveland..........Pittsburgh

    Offense:

    LWR: Kamar Aiken...AJGreen...Andrew Hawkins...Antonio Brown

    RWR: Steve Smith...Muhammed Sanu...Brian Hartline...Markus Wheaton

    LOT: Eugene Moore...Andrew Whitworth...Joe Thomas...Kelvin Beachum

    LG: Kelechi Osemele...Clint Boling...Joel Bitonio...Ramon Foster

    OC: Jeremy Zuttah...TJ Johnson...Alex Mack...Maurkice Pouncey

    RG: Marshall Yanda...Dan France...John Greco...David DeCastro

    RT: Ricky Wagner...Eric Winston...Mitchell Schwartz...Marcus Gilbert

    TE: Crockett Gilmore...Tyler Eifert...Gary Barnidge...Heath Miller

    QB: Joe Flacco...Andy Dalton...Josh McCown...Ben Roethlisberger

    FB: Kyle Juszcyk...Mark Weisman...Malcom Johnson...Will Johnson

    RB: Justin Forsett...Jeremy Hill...Isaiah Crowell...Leveon Bell

    Defense:

    DE: Tim Jernigan...Geno Atkins...Randy Starks...Cam Heyward

    NT: Brandon Williams...Domata Peko...Phil Taylor...Steve McClendon

    DE: Chris Canty...Michael Johnson...Des. Bryant...Stephon Tuitt

    OLB: Terrell Suggs...Carlos Dunlap...Scott Solomon...Arthur Moats

    ILB: CJ Mosley...Emanual Lemur...Karlos Dansby...Ryan Shazier

    ILB: Daryl Smith...Rey Maualuga...Christian Kirksey...Lawrence Timmons

    OLB: Courtney Upshaw...Vontaze Burfict...Paul Kruger...Jarvis Jones

    LCB: Ladarius Webb...Dre Kirkpatrick...Joe Haden...William Gay

    SS: Will Hill...George Iloka...Donte Whitner...Shamarko Thomas

    FS: Kendrick Lewis...Reggie Nelson...Tashaun Gipson...Mike Mitchell

    RCB: Jimmy Smith...Leon Hall...Tramon Williams...Allen Cortez

    Special Teams:

    Punter: Sam Koch...Kevin Huber...Andy Lee...Brad Wing

    Kicker: Justin Tucker...Mike Nugent...Travis Coons...Garret Hartley

    Punt Returner: Michael Campanaro...Adam Jones...Travis Benjamin...Antonio Brown

    Kick Returner: Asa Jackson...Brandon Tate...Marlon Moore...Markus Wheaton

    I realize there may be some changes coming in these depth charts....Feel free to point out where you think people will be shuffled around or replaced.

    Choose who is tops....or to place in order.

    I like Cincy to win the division again and choke in the playoffs.

    Recorded it for viewing this week... thanks for the spoiler... 🙁

    @mike-h said:

    I like Cincy to win the division again and choke in the playoffs.

    We've got to quit agreeing...

    Cinci is shaping up to be the most complete team in the AFCN.

  • Recorded it for viewing this week... thanks for the spoiler... 🙁

    @mike-h said:

    I like Cincy to win the division again and choke in the playoffs.

    We've got to quit agreeing...

    Cinci is shaping up to be the most complete team in the AFCN.

    @tour2ma said:

    Recorded it for viewing this week... thanks for the spoiler... 🙁

    Happy to help...😉

  • Recorded it for viewing this week... thanks for the spoiler... 🙁

    @mike-h said:

    I like Cincy to win the division again and choke in the playoffs.

    We've got to quit agreeing...

    Cinci is shaping up to be the most complete team in the AFCN.

    @tour2ma said:

    Recorded it for viewing this week... thanks for the spoiler... 🙁

    We've got to quit agreeing...

    Cinci is shaping up to be the most complete team in the AFCN.

    And then you realize Andy Dalton is the qb. Steelers, Bengals, Ravens, Browns. Bank it.
  • @tour2ma said:

    Recorded it for viewing this week... thanks for the spoiler... 🙁

    We've got to quit agreeing...

    Cinci is shaping up to be the most complete team in the AFCN.

    And then you realize Andy Dalton is the qb. Steelers, Bengals, Ravens, Browns. Bank it.

    @vagitron said:

    And then you realize Andy Dalton is the qb. Steelers, Bengals, Ravens, Browns. Bank it.

    Your defense is really bad, I'm not sure how you can say that. At least we're realistic here, you're still in the clouds.

    Bengals, Browns, Steelers, Ravens

    Bank it.

    You hillbillies should fix your field too, it just claimed Jordy Nelson.

  • Steelers, Bengals, Browns, Ravens. All within 3 games of each other. Capiche?

  • It's like two extremes going back and forth. Either the side that has the Steelers unrealistically good and browns unrealistically bad... Or the classic brown and orange tinted glasses view. Both are usually pretty biased.

  • Browns, Bengals, Ravens, Steelers.

  • Browns, Steelers, Ravens, Bengals

    Z

  • @tour2ma said:

    Recorded it for viewing this week... thanks for the spoiler... 🙁

    We've got to quit agreeing...

    Cinci is shaping up to be the most complete team in the AFCN.

    And then you realize Andy Dalton is the qb. Steelers, Bengals, Ravens, Browns. Bank it.

    @vagitron said:

    And then you realize Andy Dalton is the qb. Steelers, Bengals, Ravens, Browns. Bank it.

    I'd take that bet in a heartbeat
  • @vagitron said:

    And then you realize Andy Dalton is the qb. Steelers, Bengals, Ravens, Browns. Bank it.

    I'd take that bet in a heartbeat

    @comeonman said:

    I'd take that bet in a heartbeat

    What bet? I didn't say anything about a bet but I whole heartedly believe the steelers will win the division.

  • @comeonman said:

    I'd take that bet in a heartbeat

    What bet? I didn't say anything about a bet but I whole heartedly believe the steelers will win the division.

    @vagitron said:

    What bet? I didn't say anything about a bet but I whole heartedly believe the steelers will win the division.

    Notice the "I'd" not I'll. The first means I would, while second means I will. If it were a bet, I would take it.
  • It's like two extremes going back and forth. Either the side that has the Steelers unrealistically good and browns unrealistically bad... Or the classic brown and orange tinted glasses view. Both are usually pretty biased.

    @mld-woody said:

    It's like two extremes going back and forth. Either the side that has the Steelers unrealistically good and browns unrealistically bad... Or the classic brown and orange tinted glasses view. Both are usually pretty biased.

    Cant really argue with that...as in the old stock market adage that "past performance does not guarantee future results."

  • @the-gipper said:

    Here I am listing each of the projected starters at each position from all 4 teams in the AFC North.

    I am listing them in alphabetical order of Baltimore, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Pittsburgh.

    State whom you think is the best at each slot...and perhaps why:

    Baltimore...........Cincinnati..........Cleveland..........Pittsburgh

    Offense:

    LWR: Kamar Aiken...AJGreen...Andrew Hawkins...Antonio Brown

    RWR: Steve Smith...Muhammed Sanu...Brian Hartline...Markus Wheaton

    LOT: Eugene Moore...Andrew Whitworth...Joe Thomas...Kelvin Beachum

    LG: Kelechi Osemele...Clint Boling...Joel Bitonio...Ramon Foster

    OC: Jeremy Zuttah...TJ Johnson...Alex Mack...Maurkice Pouncey... Tie

    RG: Marshall Yanda...Dan France...John Greco...David DeCastro

    RT: Ricky Wagner...Eric Winston...Mitchell Schwartz...Marcus Gilbert

    TE: Crockett Gilmore...Tyler Eifert...Gary Barnidge...Heath Miller

    QB: Joe Flacco...Andy Dalton...Josh McCown...Ben Roethlisberger

    FB: Kyle Juszcyk...Mark Weisman...Malcom Johnson...Will Johnson

    RB: Justin Forsett...Jeremy Hill...Isaiah Crowell...Leveon Bell

    Defense:

    DE: Tim Jernigan...Geno Atkins...Randy Starks...Cam Heyward

    NT: Brandon Williams...Domata Peko...Phil Taylor...Steve McClendon

    DE: Chris Canty...Michael Johnson...Des. Bryant...Stephon Tuitt

    OLB: Terrell Suggs...Carlos Dunlap...Scott Solomon...Arthur Moats

    ILB: CJ Mosley...Emanual Lemur...Karlos Dansby...Ryan Shazier

    ILB: Daryl Smith...Rey Maualuga...Christian Kirksey...Lawrence Timmons

    OLB: Courtney Upshaw...Vontaze Burfict...Paul Kruger...Jarvis Jones

    LCB: Ladarius Webb...Dre Kirkpatrick...Joe Haden...William Gay

    SS: Will Hill...George Iloka...Donte Whitner...Shamarko Thomas

    FS: Kendrick Lewis...Reggie Nelson...Tashaun Gipson...Mike Mitchell

    RCB: Jimmy Smith...Leon Hall...Tramon Williams...Allen Cortez

    Special Teams:

    Punter: Sam Koch...Kevin Huber...Andy Lee...Brad Wing

    Kicker: Justin Tucker...Mike Nugent...Travis Coons...Garret Hartley

    Punt Returner: Michael Campanaro...Adam Jones...Travis Benjamin...Antonio Brown

    Kick Returner: Asa Jackson...Brandon Tate...Marlon Moore...Markus Wheaton

    I realize there may be some changes coming in these depth charts....Feel free to point out where you think people will be shuffled around or replaced.

    Choose who is tops....or to place in order.

    Its crystal clear that the Steelers are the best team in the div...the browns second.

    @stinkhole said:

    Its crystal clear that the Steelers are the best team in the div...the browns second.

    Yea, I don't think it is quite so clear. I have the Steelers having the top dog in only like 3-4 spots:

    QB with BR

    RB with Bell

    Timmons at LB

    Brown as one of top 2 WRs. I would still put AJ Green as the top WR in the division.....but since we get to put 2 WRs int he starting lineup, Brown gets a spot.

    But Gilbert: no way. (I think he is at best 3rd)

    Heath Miller: 5 years ago, sure. Not now

    Shazier is completely unproven. Maybe in a year or two he can be elevated....but not yet.

    Tuitt....no. Competent....but not any better than the other NTs.

  • @tiamat63 said:

    You can tell there's some steeler bias when you take RDS over Mosley, don't select Yanda and pick Gilbert as the best RT in the conference. Likewise for Tuitt and his small sample size compared to proven production over the course multiple seasons.

    Shazier when the dust settles will be better.

    @vagitron said:

    Shazier when the dust settles will be better.

    Yea, maybe.....but so far in his career he has played no better than Christian Kirksey. Injuries have hurt him yes.

    Like I said: maybe.