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  • Well today is Miles Garrett day for me (SEC Network 12pm est). Browns need to trade the bank to get that guy in 2017. He makes Von Miller look like his little brother. Von is 6'3" 249lb. running a 4.49 40. MG is 6'5" 262lb. with a 4.46 40. Athletic skills are identical.

    I'll worry about JM tomorrow. 😁

  • Maybe these will help?

    The card read:

    "To: Tour

    Believe & have a happy birthday.

    From: Johnny"

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Maybe these will help?

    The card read:

    "To: Tour

    Believe & have a happy birthday.

    From: Johnny"

    @tour2ma said:

    Maybe these will help?

    The card read:

    "To: Tour

    Believe & have a happy birthday.

    From: Johnny"

    LOL! My older brother's birthday is also Sept. 15. He's also an A&M grad. Must be fate. This game is in the bag. 😉

  • Sorry if this has already been posted... (usual happens), but this struck me as funny...

    and indicates that JM has a confidence and sense of humor about where he is in

    progresssing as a Browns qb.

    This is just hilarious - JM asked about what Hoge says about him....

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/johnny-manziel-rips-merril-hoge-220738031.html

    MasterDogM 1 Reply

  • Merril's ties are hilarious, but toting that knot around has to have some workout value...

    Not going to rain on the hope parade here at any length, but... shocker... neither can I be completely silent.

    So here in a picture is why I cannot be optimistic...

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    Go Browns...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan

    @masterdog said:

    Can't wait to see what a 'true' stud rookie QB looks like.....

    Marriota is the real deal....been saying it for 2 years.

    Fuck you. You're just some fan of another team, not the Browns thats for dam sure.

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Fuck you. You're just some fan of another team, not the Browns thats for dam sure.

    A frustrated Browns fan.

  • C calfoxwc

    Sorry if this has already been posted... (usual happens), but this struck me as funny...

    and indicates that JM has a confidence and sense of humor about where he is in

    progresssing as a Browns qb.

    This is just hilarious - JM asked about what Hoge says about him....

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/johnny-manziel-rips-merril-hoge-220738031.html

    @calfoxwc said:

    Sorry if this has already been posted... (usual happens), but this struck me as funny...

    and indicates that JM has a confidence and sense of humor about where he is in

    progresssing as a Browns qb.

    This is just hilarious - JM asked about what Hoge says about him....

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/johnny-manziel-rips-merril-hoge-220738031.html

    Pretty sad he's making headlines based on shit like this.

  • pretty sad you're just another no-class troll.

    didn't need the first one....

  • Pretty harsh but hard to argue: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/johnny-manziel-s-last-stand-could-be-upon-us-184754487.html

    DieHardBrownsFanD 1 Reply

  • Tour, you're the only one that hates quotes of long posts as much as I do. So I won't do it here.

    I don't know how good of a job PFF is doing, but I know they're the only ones actually doing that job. I can't watch and evaluate every player on every play and their stuff generally reflects the truth so I trust it (although it's also very useful for busting up incorrect narratives).

    PFF had Joe at a 0 too so attaboy. Not trying to relitigate that game, just wanted to give my perspective on Johnny's performance last week so I had to give that long preface.

    Don't see anything else to respond to. Glad to see your second look of the game came a little closer to matching my thoughts of it as well.

    Tour2maT 1 Reply
  • D BoneD D Bone

    Pretty harsh but hard to argue: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/johnny-manziel-s-last-stand-could-be-upon-us-184754487.html

    @d-bone said:

    He might be a tad short, but supposedly his hands are abnormally large, so I don't get where they say he has small hands.

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
  • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan

    @d-bone said:

    He might be a tad short, but supposedly his hands are abnormally large, so I don't get where they say he has small hands.

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    He might be a tad short, but supposedly his hands are abnormally large, so I don't get where they say he has small hands.

    ^ same here man, I remember them saying he had the biggest hands of every qb in his draft class

  • W wargograw

    @miktoxic said:

    except for carr they all pretty much do suck.

    He sucks too.

    @wargograw said:

    He sucks too.

    carr is leaps and bounds better than your boy. not even close.

    DieHardBrownsFanD 1 Reply

  • His hands are massive. Shows the level of effort put into the article.

  • All of the QBs from that class are. That doesn't say much though.

  • W wargograw

    Tour, you're the only one that hates quotes of long posts as much as I do. So I won't do it here.

    I don't know how good of a job PFF is doing, but I know they're the only ones actually doing that job. I can't watch and evaluate every player on every play and their stuff generally reflects the truth so I trust it (although it's also very useful for busting up incorrect narratives).

    PFF had Joe at a 0 too so attaboy. Not trying to relitigate that game, just wanted to give my perspective on Johnny's performance last week so I had to give that long preface.

    Don't see anything else to respond to. Glad to see your second look of the game came a little closer to matching my thoughts of it as well.

    @wargograw said:

    PFF had Joe at a 0 too so attaboy. Not trying to relitigate that game, just wanted to give my perspective on Johnny's performance last week so I had to give that long preface.

    The preface was fine. Helped me understand your perspective.

    Thanks for the attaboy... 19 more and I can cancel an "aw-shit."

    That said I have to assume that my having an identical grade to PFF is purely coincidental as I know nothing of their system... although I am curious. But I'm happy to hear I'm in the ball park or at least follow a similar trend.

    I googled "grading O-line play" when I decided to try doing this a year ago and the most beneficial info I found was around guarding against the need to assign a grade for every player on every play. It amazed me for a while that it was true for so many so much of the time.

    Most of he rest of what I do I made up as I went along. Maybe I came close to reinventing a wheel.

    Some items were added to satisfy particular requests or points of debate. The Box Counts are an example of the latter. This year I've added how many of the box turned into rushers on Pass plays, but did not tally that data.

    Just out of curiosity... what was PFF's 2014 Indy grade for JT?

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • Carr has surprised me with the promise he shows. Not there yet, but shows promise.

    For Teddy B it was his durability I questioned... don't see a build for the long haul there.

    FWIW... I had the same concern with RG3.

    JM? Had the better build, but seemed so much more reckless that it was negated to my mind. But bigger issue for me was a lack of game discipline... and later self-discipline.

    Seems the latter issue has been addressed.

    Now the former is in progress, but I always wondered if you could rein in that which made him special at A&M and still have an effective QB.

    We shall see...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • It was +1.8. +1.6 pass blocking, +.9 run blocking, -.7 penalties.

    There's an easily accessible "how we grade" tab at the site. It makes sense for the most part but there are a few holes which I actually emailed them about yesterday.

    You inspired me to start grading A&M's OL. I started with Arizona State because I heard our OL was terrible and I wanted the truth.

    I use PFF's system for it. At least insofar as I understand said system. I give everyone run and pass blocking grades.

  • So the raw total was +3.6... I had him at +2. Their -0.7 for penalties is interesting... maybe a 5-yarder?

    Anyway I looked at their "How We..." page. Interesting... and now I can't swear I did not see it before and it gave me the -2 to +2 range I use. Difference being I don't grade in decimals to two significant digits.

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/how-we-grade/

    I figured they must involve multiple regradings of the same games, but am surprised that they are "reviews" and not independent grades. With multiple independents you could then do an Olympic style toss out the high and the low before you average. Also would give ample data for QA detecting statistically easy or hard graders for coaching or replacement.

    While I do no "normalization" obviously their grading of all teams all games requires it. But I have thought I should do some... at least normalizing for plays per game, which clearly can depress totals as seen in the 2nd 2014 Cinci game.

    Good stuff... Have fun setting up your scoring. Only advice I'd give is don't worry about getting it "right" from the start. What you record and how you record it is going to evolve... primarily from questions you or others raise as you try to use it. Soon you'll find you have your own abbreviations for all kinds of info.

    An example of my "code": 3W2TR/L

    Translation: 3 Wide Receivers 2 of which are tight to the right, one goes in motion to the left

    Funniest part is I rarely use that info anymore, but it's a habit that takes next to no time so WTF...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • All this means doodly squat once it get punched in the face. I'd rather see if johnny can perform consistantly from the pocket as I expect the Titans will want him to.

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