Jonathan Paul Manziel
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He will throw for 400 yards and 7 TDs bringing us to 2-0 in the AFCN
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Here's the article:
Browns preparing to start Johnny Manziel at Bengals
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you know what amazing....they actually DID change THIS article in the last 5 minutes......
Last paragraph originally said....""While some might wonder if Manziel is being set up to fail, this also represents a prime opportunity to shift perceptions about his up-and-down career on the national stage. It's your move, Johnny.""
and now it says..""While some might wonder if Manziel is being thrown into the fire at the worst possible time, this also represents a prime opportunity to shift perceptions about his up-and-down career on the national stage.
It's your move, Johnny.""
God, Id wish they would stop....
Exactly WHEN is a good time to play him????....seriously.....turble
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Stop lying, you said the defense gave up > 20. They didn't in those games. That's a very clear distinction. In most circumstances, I would just assume you were being intentionally deceptive to try to make your point. But given your previous history of being unable to do 2nd grade math, it's very possible that you really just can't add and subtract.
So again, before you discuss numbers or stats with me in the future, LEARN SOME SECOND GRADE MATH FIRST. Once you get the benefit of the doubt. Twice in two weeks? No way.....
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As for johnny, this is a big moment for him.....sure, its a tough spot for him, but he needs to show us something to show that he can give us a spark going forward. Because we sure as hell need a spark.
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you know what amazing....they actually DID change THIS article in the last 5 minutes......
Last paragraph originally said....""While some might wonder if Manziel is being set up to fail, this also represents a prime opportunity to shift perceptions about his up-and-down career on the national stage. It's your move, Johnny.""
and now it says..""While some might wonder if Manziel is being thrown into the fire at the worst possible time, this also represents a prime opportunity to shift perceptions about his up-and-down career on the national stage.
It's your move, Johnny.""
God, Id wish they would stop....
Exactly WHEN is a good time to play him????....seriously.....turble
Exactly WHEN is a good time to play him????....seriously.....turble
McCown would get the same 1 practice + 1 walkthrough so not sure what the problem is either.
Honestly if Manziel struggles he will have generous headlines - if he wins he'll have generous headlines. So I don't think it's that tough of a situation.
Let's pump D. Bowe pull of drugs though so he does something, Hawkins+Hartline seem to be doubtful.
Stop lying, you said the defense gave up > 20. They didn't in those games. That's a very clear distinction. In most circumstances, I would just assume you were being intentionally deceptive to try to make your point. But given your previous history of being unable to do 2nd grade math, it's very possible that you really just can't add and subtract.
So again, before you discuss numbers or stats with me in the future, LEARN SOME SECOND GRADE MATH FIRST. Once you get the benefit of the doubt. Twice in two weeks? No way.....
I said the Browns defense has given up 20-30+ points in the majority of their games and just recently supplemented it with we are ranked #26 in points allowed.
Again you cherry picked a couple games that we didn't give up 20+ points because it was convenient for you to do so.
Since you're willfully ignorant and 100% subjective in everything you post, I'd prefer to just call you a huge fucking idiot because they're basically the same thing.
I want Johnny Manziel to be the best quarterback in the history of the NFL for 10+ years and win many super bowls and be great - but even he (God himself in your eyes), would have had a really hard time with the #31 running game and bottom 5 defense. Despite the crap McCown has managed to look half way decent a lot of times and is insanely tough which is unusual for the last XX browns QBs.
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speaking of excuses for manziel.......ummmm, the propettine crowd in here makes more excuses for mccown than any player I've ever seen. Dude is 2-38473837837373783 in his last however many games and all I hear is how he is a warrior or that he's never a reason for the 38473xxxxxxxxxxx losses. Or that he doesnt have enough time to throw. Or 40 other excuses to account for his unbelievably consistent ability to LOSE FOOTBALL GAMES in numerous different settings.
speaking of excuses for manziel.......ummmm, the propettine crowd in here makes more excuses for mccown than any player I've ever seen. Dude is 2-38473837837373783 in his last however many games and all I hear is how he is a warrior or that he's never a reason for the 38473xxxxxxxxxxx losses. Or that he doesnt have enough time to throw. Or 40 other excuses to account for his unbelievably consistent ability to LOSE FOOTBALL GAMES in numerous different settings.
Mostly directed at bbedward. Yeah- that crummy Defense, and not having any legit targets other than Barnidge and Benjamin.
OHOH, he directly lost the Denver game throwing a pick six, and taking two consecutive sacks in OT. The folly floater int against the Cards, a bad handoff to Turbin. Seriously- his only really good game was against the Ravens.
On the surface, his stats look really good- but if you use ESPN's total qbr- he's barely average. And not at all to my surprise, he's DEAD LAST in the NFL in taking sacks that kill drives- so I suppose his defenders are going to want to blame his offensive line for not protecting him well enough, or his shitty receivers can't get open- instead of the obvious he holds onto the ball too damn long, or he's too slow going through his progressions. He's not particularly accurate, and hate to say it- Manziel throws a better more accurate deep ball than Josh. I posted after the Rams game, Monday morning I was watching ESPN break down the Patriots- Jets game. Couple of times the Jets threw a 10 man jailhouse blitz at Brady- and both times he beat it. MHO- we would have seen Josh get buried under those circumstances.
Come on guys- I think we all know what a decent qb looks like- and despite his stats, McCown doesn't pass the eye test of being one. Johnny must totally suck if Pettine thinks a career backup with a 18-38, and a recent 2-16 record is the ticket to winning games.
That said, I really think it's unfair to JFF to toss him in as the starter on a short week, on the road, against a team some pundits are picking to go to the Super Bowl. The Bungles are going to want revenge for the pasting they took last year in prime time. Our only hope is Dalton plays to form sucking when the bright light come on.
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You are lying *yet again*. I know what you said. You know what you said. There is a freaking record of what you said. You said the browns defense has given up over 20 pts in every game but one. I pointed out that, no, just off the top of my head there were two additional games in which they had given up less than 20 pts. Now you've told no less than two lies to try to backtrack(conveniently changing your phrase to 'majority of games'.....lmao....you dont see how absurd that is now after you have been called out??).
Anyone with an iq over 80 would have initially responded(when I pointed out that you were incorrect) one of of two ways:
1) "ooops, I made another mistake"
2) "you are right; I must really suck at math"(self deprecating)
Only an idiot would try to double down on their mistake, and then backtrack and act like they typed something different than they did. Like Im not going to notice that. Jesus christ.
I'm done with any discussions on numbers/stats(or quite frankly really anything) until you show some ability over time that you can either 1) stop lying 2) add as well as a 2nd grader. Preferably both.
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speaking of excuses for manziel.......ummmm, the propettine crowd in here makes more excuses for mccown than any player I've ever seen. Dude is 2-38473837837373783 in his last however many games and all I hear is how he is a warrior or that he's never a reason for the 38473xxxxxxxxxxx losses. Or that he doesnt have enough time to throw. Or 40 other excuses to account for his unbelievably consistent ability to LOSE FOOTBALL GAMES in numerous different settings.
Mostly directed at bbedward. Yeah- that crummy Defense, and not having any legit targets other than Barnidge and Benjamin.
OHOH, he directly lost the Denver game throwing a pick six, and taking two consecutive sacks in OT. The folly floater int against the Cards, a bad handoff to Turbin. Seriously- his only really good game was against the Ravens.
On the surface, his stats look really good- but if you use ESPN's total qbr- he's barely average. And not at all to my surprise, he's DEAD LAST in the NFL in taking sacks that kill drives- so I suppose his defenders are going to want to blame his offensive line for not protecting him well enough, or his shitty receivers can't get open- instead of the obvious he holds onto the ball too damn long, or he's too slow going through his progressions. He's not particularly accurate, and hate to say it- Manziel throws a better more accurate deep ball than Josh. I posted after the Rams game, Monday morning I was watching ESPN break down the Patriots- Jets game. Couple of times the Jets threw a 10 man jailhouse blitz at Brady- and both times he beat it. MHO- we would have seen Josh get buried under those circumstances.
Come on guys- I think we all know what a decent qb looks like- and despite his stats, McCown doesn't pass the eye test of being one. Johnny must totally suck if Pettine thinks a career backup with a 18-38, and a recent 2-16 record is the ticket to winning games.
That said, I really think it's unfair to JFF to toss him in as the starter on a short week, on the road, against a team some pundits are picking to go to the Super Bowl. The Bungles are going to want revenge for the pasting they took last year in prime time. Our only hope is Dalton plays to form sucking when the bright light come on.
Mostly directed at bbedward. Yeah- that crummy Defense, and not having any legit targets other than Barnidge and Benjamin.
OHOH, he directly lost the Denver game throwing a pick six, and taking two consecutive sacks in OT. The folly floater int against the Cards, a bad handoff to Turbin. Seriously- his only really good game was against the Ravens.
On the surface, his stats look really good- but if you use ESPN's total qbr- he's barely average. And not at all to my surprise, he's DEAD LAST in the NFL in taking sacks that kill drives- so I suppose his defenders are going to want to blame his offensive line for not protecting him well enough, or his shitty receivers can't get open- instead of the obvious he holds onto the ball too damn long, or he's too slow going through his progressions. He's not particularly accurate, and hate to say it- Manziel throws a better more accurate deep ball than Josh. I posted after the Rams game, Monday morning I was watching ESPN break down the Patriots- Jets game. Couple of times the Jets threw a 10 man jailhouse blitz at Brady- and both times he beat it. MHO- we would have seen Josh get buried under those circumstances.
Come on guys- I think we all know what a decent qb looks like- and despite his stats, McCown doesn't pass the eye test of being one. Johnny must totally suck if Pettine thinks a career backup with a 18-38, and a recent 2-16 record is the ticket to winning games.
That said, I really think it's unfair to JFF to toss him in as the starter on a short week, on the road, against a team some pundits are picking to go to the Super Bowl. The Bungles are going to want revenge for the pasting they took last year in prime time. Our only hope is Dalton plays to form sucking when the bright light come on.
this is an A+ post. Also, by advanced stats he actually doesnt look all that good.
I will take issue with one thing- I dont think it's unfair to manziel. Its the right thing for the franchise to put JM in now and see what we have. If he ends up sucking over a number of games, it was still the right thing to do. The fact that Pettine is collateral damage from that is a slight bonus sure i guess......
also, I dont know how many people are really picking the bungles for the sb. Yeah, they are 7-0, but they have played a number of close games against not so special teams. The patriots are pretty much everyones afc pick at this point. And although denver has also played close games against not so great teams, they may have taken it to another level sunday night against a very good team, so they are probably the #2 pick right now.....
The bungles are a good team no doubt. But I dont see them as some juggernaught. They could easily have a couple(or even 3) losses by now. I wouldnt be shocked if we win thursday....we have a 25-33% chance imo.
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speaking of excuses for manziel.......ummmm, the propettine crowd in here makes more excuses for mccown than any player I've ever seen. Dude is 2-38473837837373783 in his last however many games and all I hear is how he is a warrior or that he's never a reason for the 38473xxxxxxxxxxx losses. Or that he doesnt have enough time to throw. Or 40 other excuses to account for his unbelievably consistent ability to LOSE FOOTBALL GAMES in numerous different settings.
Mostly directed at bbedward. Yeah- that crummy Defense, and not having any legit targets other than Barnidge and Benjamin.
OHOH, he directly lost the Denver game throwing a pick six, and taking two consecutive sacks in OT. The folly floater int against the Cards, a bad handoff to Turbin. Seriously- his only really good game was against the Ravens.
On the surface, his stats look really good- but if you use ESPN's total qbr- he's barely average. And not at all to my surprise, he's DEAD LAST in the NFL in taking sacks that kill drives- so I suppose his defenders are going to want to blame his offensive line for not protecting him well enough, or his shitty receivers can't get open- instead of the obvious he holds onto the ball too damn long, or he's too slow going through his progressions. He's not particularly accurate, and hate to say it- Manziel throws a better more accurate deep ball than Josh. I posted after the Rams game, Monday morning I was watching ESPN break down the Patriots- Jets game. Couple of times the Jets threw a 10 man jailhouse blitz at Brady- and both times he beat it. MHO- we would have seen Josh get buried under those circumstances.
Come on guys- I think we all know what a decent qb looks like- and despite his stats, McCown doesn't pass the eye test of being one. Johnny must totally suck if Pettine thinks a career backup with a 18-38, and a recent 2-16 record is the ticket to winning games.
That said, I really think it's unfair to JFF to toss him in as the starter on a short week, on the road, against a team some pundits are picking to go to the Super Bowl. The Bungles are going to want revenge for the pasting they took last year in prime time. Our only hope is Dalton plays to form sucking when the bright light come on.
That said, I really think it's unfair to JFF to toss him in as the starter on a short week, on the road, against a team some pundits are picking to go to the Super Bowl. The Bungles are going to want revenge for the pasting they took last year in prime time. Our only hope is Dalton plays to form sucking when the bright light come on.
That's his job.Otherwise your post is a fine opinion, but I think McCown has looked decent despite the circumstances. McCown has been a high quality Brown so far - even if average talent he has given us enough to win games if we didn't suck everywhere else.If you're already tossing out "unfair, tough situation" regarding Johnny's start on Thursday then I disagree. McCown would be getting the same amount of practice time, after getting his ass beat, in the same situation and nobody would call it a "tough, unfair situation"It's a tough situation, but it isn't unfair - I hope he excels and gets us the win, and me a 6 packYou are lying *yet again*. I know what you said. You know what you said. There is a freaking record of what you said.
You're a fucking idiot. Does anybody think this is a big deal? It wasn't a mathemetical error you fucking idiot I was making the general point that our defense gives up a lot of points based on my memory of the games - which I admit isn't photographic and are usually followed by excessive drinking so I don't tend to remember the exact scores every time
The point is the exact same, defense gave up 20-30+ points in 5/8 games and is ranked #26 in the NFL in that area. Sound better fluffing it up a bit?
I don't have the "advance stats" page up in front of me all the time to constantly reference, OK?
The bungles are a good team no doubt. But I dont see them as some juggernaught. They could easily have a couple(or even 3) losses by now. I wouldnt be shocked if we win thursday....we have a 25-33% chance imo.
Advanced stats?
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That said, I really think it's unfair to JFF to toss him in as the starter on a short week, on the road, against a team some pundits are picking to go to the Super Bowl. The Bungles are going to want revenge for the pasting they took last year in prime time. Our only hope is Dalton plays to form sucking when the bright light come on.
That's his job.Otherwise your post is a fine opinion, but I think McCown has looked decent despite the circumstances. McCown has been a high quality Brown so far - even if average talent he has given us enough to win games if we didn't suck everywhere else.If you're already tossing out "unfair, tough situation" regarding Johnny's start on Thursday then I disagree. McCown would be getting the same amount of practice time, after getting his ass beat, in the same situation and nobody would call it a "tough, unfair situation"It's a tough situation, but it isn't unfair - I hope he excels and gets us the win, and me a 6 packYou are lying *yet again*. I know what you said. You know what you said. There is a freaking record of what you said.
You're a fucking idiot. Does anybody think this is a big deal? It wasn't a mathemetical error you fucking idiot I was making the general point that our defense gives up a lot of points based on my memory of the games - which I admit isn't photographic and are usually followed by excessive drinking so I don't tend to remember the exact scores every time
The point is the exact same, defense gave up 20-30+ points in 5/8 games and is ranked #26 in the NFL in that area. Sound better fluffing it up a bit?
I don't have the "advance stats" page up in front of me all the time to constantly reference, OK?
The bungles are a good team no doubt. But I dont see them as some juggernaught. They could easily have a couple(or even 3) losses by now. I wouldnt be shocked if we win thursday....we have a 25-33% chance imo.
Advanced stats?
Advanced stats?That's his job.Otherwise your post is a fine opinion, but I think McCown has looked decent despite the circumstances. McCown has been a high quality Brown so far - even if average talent he has given us enough to win games if we didn't suck everywhere else.If you're already tossing out "unfair, tough situation" regarding Johnny's start on Thursday then I disagree. McCown would be getting the same amount of practice time, after getting his ass beat, in the same situation and nobody would call it a "tough, unfair situation"It's a tough situation, but it isn't unfair - I hope he excels and gets us the win, and me a 6 packHere's one set of "advanced stats', and they're sortable. http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr
OK, I'll drop the "unfair". Johnny's been itching to start all year- and at any rate he's currently healthier than Josh.
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Advanced stats?That's his job.Otherwise your post is a fine opinion, but I think McCown has looked decent despite the circumstances. McCown has been a high quality Brown so far - even if average talent he has given us enough to win games if we didn't suck everywhere else.If you're already tossing out "unfair, tough situation" regarding Johnny's start on Thursday then I disagree. McCown would be getting the same amount of practice time, after getting his ass beat, in the same situation and nobody would call it a "tough, unfair situation"It's a tough situation, but it isn't unfair - I hope he excels and gets us the win, and me a 6 pack
Here's one set of "advanced stats', and they're sortable. http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr
OK, I'll drop the "unfair". Johnny's been itching to start all year- and at any rate he's currently healthier than Josh.
Here's one set of "advanced stats', and they're sortable. http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr
OK, I'll drop the "unfair". Johnny's been itching to start all year- and at any rate he's currently healthier than Josh.
It's fine and I think McCown is just decent, good sometimes, one of the best we had since 99' probably. I have a lot of respect for the way he's played and has conducted himself.
By many of those advanced stats, Brian Hoyer is pretty damn elite, Cam Newton is pretty damn bad. Sometimes there's more to the story, Tacosman cherry picks a few stats to explain how McCown is bad and ignores the ones that are good.
I hope Johnny does very well Thursday, but I will not concede my belief that McCown is not the biggest factor in our losses so far - we've lost games despite some nice performances from him - Denver being the biggest exception and Denver's offense was more parts bad that game than our defense was parts good.
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Not sure how smart it is to throw Manziel in against a team that destroyed him last year.
Ha!....there's never a "smart" time to play Johnny....or so it seems.....
Last year we put him in too soon(even tho it was week 10??)....or too late(because the team had quit?).....or without first team reps(even tho he's the BU)....and now?.....dont play him because its a team he lost to last year?......
Instead of protecting him from the big bad Bengals, who beat him up last season....how about him stepping up and serving a little payback?....and showing us he's learned something and is truly better than last year?.....eh?.......or does he still need a silver platter to play and win....?
Really, Z... the reporting was based upon who was taking reps... in Practice!
Practice? We talkin' about practice?
Last week JM also took 1st team reps. Did he start?
Ha!....there's never a "smart" time to play Johnny....or so it seems.....
Last year we put him in too soon(even tho it was week 10??)....or too late(because the team had quit?).....or without first team reps(even tho he's the BU)....and now?.....dont play him because its a team he lost to last year?......
lmao... thanks... I needed that.
speaking of excuses for manziel.......ummmm, the propettine crowd in here makes more excuses for mccown than any player I've ever seen. Dude is 2-38473837837373783 in his last however many games and all I hear is how he is a warrior or that he's never a reason for the 38473xxxxxxxxxxx losses. Or that he doesnt have enough time to throw. Or 40 other excuses to account for his unbelievably consistent ability to LOSE FOOTBALL GAMES in numerous different settings.
Are you really unable to distinguish what...
Nevermind... you aren't able... but one request...
If you are really just going to sing this same tune over and over and over, then can you at least vary the beat? throw in a falsetto? do something to change it up?
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If he took 1st team reps in practice last week is it really a tough situation for him?
Fresh legs, I think it's a good situation. And I stand by my prediction we will win.
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Lets start McCown so he gets fucking paralyzed and then put in JFF. You guys are fucking sick.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
If he took 1st team reps in practice last week is it really a tough situation for him?
Fresh legs, I think it's a good situation. And I stand by my prediction we will win.
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Lets start McCown so he gets fucking paralyzed and then put in JFF. You guys are fucking sick.
Lets start McCown so he gets fucking paralyzed and then put in JFF. You guys are fucking sick.
If we traded JT JM may have gotten paralyzed after Thursday.
But I have no idea what you're saying.
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Tithe Browns are 2-6! What the hell do they have,to lose? Are the fans really paying to see McCown? Is it the fans fault the Browns passed on Carr? Bridgewater?
Play Manziel even though it's a short week and he hasn't had much prep time. At least we will have something to look forward to my God!
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