Margin of Error Supersedes Improved QB Play Here
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Great post. Send it on to that buffoon of a GM who missed not one, but two great large guy receiver classes in a row. His contribution to those over 6'? Mayle (it in) and a has been Bowe. Why Farmer believes going after franchise receivers in the 1st two rounds is tabu is completely asinine. He would be the first to fire IMO. The DC second.
Great post. Send it on to that buffoon of a GM who missed not one, but two great large guy receiver classes in a row. His contribution to those over 6'? Mayle (it in) and a has been Bowe. Why Farmer believes going after franchise receivers in the 1st two rounds is tabu is completely asinine. He would be the first to fire IMO. The DC second.
Thank you! After hearing Farmer's presser - it doesn't sound like anything can penetrate the blindfold unfortunately.
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Great post. Send it on to that buffoon of a GM who missed not one, but two great large guy receiver classes in a row. His contribution to those over 6'? Mayle (it in) and a has been Bowe. Why Farmer believes going after franchise receivers in the 1st two rounds is tabu is completely asinine. He would be the first to fire IMO. The DC second.
Thank you! After hearing Farmer's presser - it doesn't sound like anything can penetrate the blindfold unfortunately.
Thank you! After hearing Farmer's presser - it doesn't sound like anything can penetrate the blindfold unfortunately.
Hmmmm perhaps walking the plank might get through in that case. Arrrrgg!
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Hmmmm perhaps walking the plank might get through in that case. Arrrrgg!
He's lucky he's not in Philly or New Jersey or they would have already chased him out of town.
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How far out do you think the front office looks ahead? Expiring contracts of players on other teams. Scouting for the future picks. Maybe he is planning something
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How far out do you think the front office looks ahead? Expiring contracts of players on other teams. Scouting for the future picks. Maybe he is planning something
How far out do you think the front office looks ahead? Expiring contracts of players on other teams. Scouting for the future picks. Maybe he is planning something
Not sure Mike. That said, I can't imagine any of the rock star FAs about to come available in 2016 are wanting any part of Ray Farmer's program here.
Dwayne Bowe hadn't posted good stats in 3 years and look what he paid the guy with all best football parked in the rear view mirror. His plans to upgrade the red zone with taller guys were either veterans long past upside, 1 experiment w/ Pryor changing positions and Vince Mayle with a 2 year body of work.
Look at what we agreed to pay Bowe while we won't even bring Lenz in here to outplay him for the NFL version of minimum wage? Gabriel has regressed from reliable hands at 17.3 yards per catch in 2014 to terrified with dropsies in recent weeks. I don't think Gabriel could make many NFL rosters unless somebody needs a backup slot receiver.
Above all why do you draft Manziel when you had all the time in the world to prepare for a draft and it's multiple scenarios? And THEN, on a short week against an undefeated team where you only have 1 or 2 practices before the game - it becomes: "hey, you're getting your 4th NFL start." I suppose it's better than the number of practices he had to prepare for the Jets defense; but this isn't the way to draft a QB in round 1. Look at Blake Bortles who is only starting to play his best football some 22-23 starts into things as a #3 overall pick. If we compare Manziel's 3rd start and the first half of the Cincy Game - it's quicker improvement over 4 starts for a QB that's 22 compared to the 24 year old Bortles (who has a couple different first round WRs drafted to help him out).
I used to think we had forever but in recent years I've lost my father and my brother and now I'm on the wrong side of 50 wondering why our last playoff win was 1994. Every time we get a new hotshot that thinks he knows everything acting the way Farmer acted in his presser - it reminds me why our record is skipping on not acceptable. I don't see any honest evaluation taking place which makes the art of planning thereafter seem somewhere between improbable and impossible.
I'm talking something as little as understanding this is a passing era where what you decorate your perimeter with slaps a lot of Victorious Secrets on your running game, which in turn rests your defense.
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How far out do you think the front office looks ahead? Expiring contracts of players on other teams. Scouting for the future picks. Maybe he is planning something
Not sure Mike. That said, I can't imagine any of the rock star FAs about to come available in 2016 are wanting any part of Ray Farmer's program here.
Dwayne Bowe hadn't posted good stats in 3 years and look what he paid the guy with all best football parked in the rear view mirror. His plans to upgrade the red zone with taller guys were either veterans long past upside, 1 experiment w/ Pryor changing positions and Vince Mayle with a 2 year body of work.
Look at what we agreed to pay Bowe while we won't even bring Lenz in here to outplay him for the NFL version of minimum wage? Gabriel has regressed from reliable hands at 17.3 yards per catch in 2014 to terrified with dropsies in recent weeks. I don't think Gabriel could make many NFL rosters unless somebody needs a backup slot receiver.
Above all why do you draft Manziel when you had all the time in the world to prepare for a draft and it's multiple scenarios? And THEN, on a short week against an undefeated team where you only have 1 or 2 practices before the game - it becomes: "hey, you're getting your 4th NFL start." I suppose it's better than the number of practices he had to prepare for the Jets defense; but this isn't the way to draft a QB in round 1. Look at Blake Bortles who is only starting to play his best football some 22-23 starts into things as a #3 overall pick. If we compare Manziel's 3rd start and the first half of the Cincy Game - it's quicker improvement over 4 starts for a QB that's 22 compared to the 24 year old Bortles (who has a couple different first round WRs drafted to help him out).
I used to think we had forever but in recent years I've lost my father and my brother and now I'm on the wrong side of 50 wondering why our last playoff win was 1994. Every time we get a new hotshot that thinks he knows everything acting the way Farmer acted in his presser - it reminds me why our record is skipping on not acceptable. I don't see any honest evaluation taking place which makes the art of planning thereafter seem somewhere between improbable and impossible.
I'm talking something as little as understanding this is a passing era where what you decorate your perimeter with slaps a lot of Victorious Secrets on your running game, which in turn rests your defense.
Not sure Mike. That said, I can't imagine any of the rock star FAs about to come available in 2016 are wanting any part of Ray Farmer's program here.
Dwayne Bowe hadn't posted good stats in 3 years and look what he paid the guy with all best football parked in the rear view mirror. His plans to upgrade the red zone with taller guys were either veterans long past upside, 1 experiment w/ Pryor changing positions and Vince Mayle with a 2 year body of work.
Look at what we agreed to pay Bowe while we won't even bring Lenz in here to outplay him for the NFL version of minimum wage?
One thought that Farmer would never admit, is that Bowe was really intended to be the bridge(1 yr filler) till Gordon came back...Now, I know we cant "count" on Gordon and I know that Bowe has been a disaster.....
but I do see what he was thinking.....and IF it had worked out well with Bowe, then we'd have that big strong receiver now.....and would be coming out next year with both Bowe and Gordon....along with all the speedy smurfs....and we'd have a versatile, solid group with a superstar quality receiver leading the way....and w/o spending a high pick.....
Anyway....thats what I think they were thinking......
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How far out do you think the front office looks ahead? Expiring contracts of players on other teams. Scouting for the future picks. Maybe he is planning something
How far out do you think the front office looks ahead? Expiring contracts of players on other teams. Scouting for the future picks. Maybe he is planning something
Like losing out and having the #1 overall pick in the 2016 draft? It's within reach. We only have the Titans and Lions underneath us currently. Now if you want to talk about a dumpster fire- Detroit is an even better example- and it gets back to what Tom was saying. What a great idea to let Suh AND Fairley walk, and blow your defensive line to hell.
I used to think we had forever but in recent years I've lost my father and my brother and now I'm on the wrong side of 50 wondering why our last playoff win was 1994. Every time we get a new hotshot that thinks he knows everything acting the way Farmer acted in his presser - it reminds me why our record is skipping on not acceptable. I don't see any honest evaluation taking place which makes the art of planning thereafter seem somewhere between improbable and impossible.
I'm talking something as little as understanding this is a passing era where what you decorate your perimeter with slaps a lot of Victorious Secrets on your running game, which in turn rests your defense.
You've probably seen I've been having my run ins with Mark about the current sad state of the Browns, but your above point is even more applicable to me. I'm running out of "wait till next years" - fast. Unlike Mark, I watch the Browns for more than just the entertainment value- though I have to admit it's been pretty entertaining this year to watch the Browns come up with new and exciting ways to lose games.
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Not sure Mike. That said, I can't imagine any of the rock star FAs about to come available in 2016 are wanting any part of Ray Farmer's program here.
Dwayne Bowe hadn't posted good stats in 3 years and look what he paid the guy with all best football parked in the rear view mirror. His plans to upgrade the red zone with taller guys were either veterans long past upside, 1 experiment w/ Pryor changing positions and Vince Mayle with a 2 year body of work.
Look at what we agreed to pay Bowe while we won't even bring Lenz in here to outplay him for the NFL version of minimum wage?
One thought that Farmer would never admit, is that Bowe was really intended to be the bridge(1 yr filler) till Gordon came back...Now, I know we cant "count" on Gordon and I know that Bowe has been a disaster.....
but I do see what he was thinking.....and IF it had worked out well with Bowe, then we'd have that big strong receiver now.....and would be coming out next year with both Bowe and Gordon....along with all the speedy smurfs....and we'd have a versatile, solid group with a superstar quality receiver leading the way....and w/o spending a high pick.....
Anyway....thats what I think they were thinking......
One thought that Farmer would never admit, is that Bowe was really intended to be the bridge(1 yr filler) till Gordon came back...Now, I know we cant "count" on Gordon and I know that Bowe has been a disaster.....
but I do see what he was thinking.....and IF it had worked out well with Bowe, then we'd have that big strong receiver now.....and would be coming out next year with both Bowe and Gordon....along with all the speedy smurfs....and we'd have a versatile, solid group with a superstar quality receiver leading the way....and w/o spending a high pick.....
Anyway....thats what I think they were thinking......
Yeah- but. Bowe has been such an utter disaster- he's been a healthy scratch more than once. In this 24 day stretch with only one game I would hope Farmer would swallow his ego, admit he made a huge mistake and get rid of this $9 million waste of a roster spot. Don't see it happening though. There's guys on the practice squad who couldn't do much worse.
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I'm also of the mindset that Farmer went and got Tramon Williams for the simple fact that he knew Gilbert was a bust.
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Here's a thought. Without trading up or down in 2014 we could have had Evans @ 4 and JM @ 26. At least we would have had a combination that was used to reading one another and a 6'5" receiver with hands and speed. This team could have used him.
Don't like that combo. Well substitute in Kelvin Benjamin for JM @ 6'6". Hoyer would have been just fine then.
I have no use for a GM that thinks game changing skill guys are a waste of a pick. Mush for brains.
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Here's a thought. Without trading up or down in 2014 we could have had Evans @ 4 and JM @ 26. At least we would have had a combination that was used to reading one another and a 6'5" receiver with hands and speed. This team could have used him.
Don't like that combo. Well substitute in Kelvin Benjamin for JM @ 6'6". Hoyer would have been just fine then.
I have no use for a GM that thinks game changing skill guys are a waste of a pick. Mush for brains.
Here's a thought. Without trading up or down in 2014 we could have had Evans @ 4 and JM @ 26. At least we would have had a combination that was used to reading one another and a 6'5" receiver with hands and speed. This team could have used him.
Woulda shoulda coulda....But If Im redoing that draft, there are 2 certainties....
1) Im taking K Mack at #4...and...
2) Im not picking Johnny....
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Here's a thought. Without trading up or down in 2014 we could have had Evans @ 4 and JM @ 26. At least we would have had a combination that was used to reading one another and a 6'5" receiver with hands and speed. This team could have used him.
Woulda shoulda coulda....But If Im redoing that draft, there are 2 certainties....
1) Im taking K Mack at #4...and...
2) Im not picking Johnny....
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probably because we desperately needed a QB and there were 3 still on the board?,,,,plus, at the time, we had Gordon coming back...?
so draft a wr and leave Manziel, Carr and Bridgewater on the board?......we woulda lynched Farmer for that...
Here's something else I would like to lynch Farmer for. The Titans waive Terrance West, and since he didn't meet the minimum playing time, the Browns don't receive their conditional 7th round pick. So the 3 round pick that Farmer traded up to get, we basically just pissed away. Another reason I want that arrogant prick's job.probably because we desperately needed a QB and there were 3 still on the board?,,,,plus, at the time, we had Gordon coming back...?
so draft a wr and leave Manziel, Carr and Bridgewater on the board?......we woulda lynched Farmer for that...
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Not sure Mike. That said, I can't imagine any of the rock star FAs about to come available in 2016 are wanting any part of Ray Farmer's program here.
Dwayne Bowe hadn't posted good stats in 3 years and look what he paid the guy with all best football parked in the rear view mirror. His plans to upgrade the red zone with taller guys were either veterans long past upside, 1 experiment w/ Pryor changing positions and Vince Mayle with a 2 year body of work.
Look at what we agreed to pay Bowe while we won't even bring Lenz in here to outplay him for the NFL version of minimum wage?
One thought that Farmer would never admit, is that Bowe was really intended to be the bridge(1 yr filler) till Gordon came back...Now, I know we cant "count" on Gordon and I know that Bowe has been a disaster.....
but I do see what he was thinking.....and IF it had worked out well with Bowe, then we'd have that big strong receiver now.....and would be coming out next year with both Bowe and Gordon....along with all the speedy smurfs....and we'd have a versatile, solid group with a superstar quality receiver leading the way....and w/o spending a high pick.....
Anyway....thats what I think they were thinking......
One thought that Farmer would never admit, is that Bowe was really intended to be the bridge(1 yr filler) till Gordon came back...Now, I know we cant "count" on Gordon and I know that Bowe has been a disaster.....
but I do see what he was thinking.....and IF it had worked out well with Bowe, then we'd have that big strong receiver now.....and would be coming out next year with both Bowe and Gordon....along with all the speedy smurfs....and we'd have a versatile, solid group with a superstar quality receiver leading the way....and w/o spending a high pick.....
Anyway....thats what I think they were thinking......
But why not keep a 6'3 Miles Austin who proved to be a serviceable, go-to guy in 2014? Not to mention that he was a good bit cheaper than Bowe.
As for Evans... his 24 receptions would fit right in...
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Farmer has got to be under a microscope at this point. So does Pettine. He worries about keeping Johnny in the pocket when he SHOULD be worried about making halftime adjustments & making his defense function at a higher level. McCown has performed far better than most expected this year, but his efforts come up on the short end. Our QBs aren't losing games, the D is. I maintain there MAY be 3 QBs in this league who could win with his defense, that he has failed to change, & his D Coordinator who only knows Pettines' defense. If he doesn't make some sweeping changes, I don't see him (or Farmer) being around next year.
Mike
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I think it's even simpler than that. Leave Defilipo alone with the offense. Pettine needs to fix the defense. That is the major problem..
!! Thanks Flugs. put the pot of Java down 
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