Margin of Error Supersedes Improved QB Play Here
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How far out do you think the front office looks ahead? Expiring contracts of players on other teams. Scouting for the future picks. Maybe he is planning something
How far out do you think the front office looks ahead? Expiring contracts of players on other teams. Scouting for the future picks. Maybe he is planning something
Like losing out and having the #1 overall pick in the 2016 draft? It's within reach. We only have the Titans and Lions underneath us currently. Now if you want to talk about a dumpster fire- Detroit is an even better example- and it gets back to what Tom was saying. What a great idea to let Suh AND Fairley walk, and blow your defensive line to hell.
I used to think we had forever but in recent years I've lost my father and my brother and now I'm on the wrong side of 50 wondering why our last playoff win was 1994. Every time we get a new hotshot that thinks he knows everything acting the way Farmer acted in his presser - it reminds me why our record is skipping on not acceptable. I don't see any honest evaluation taking place which makes the art of planning thereafter seem somewhere between improbable and impossible.
I'm talking something as little as understanding this is a passing era where what you decorate your perimeter with slaps a lot of Victorious Secrets on your running game, which in turn rests your defense.
You've probably seen I've been having my run ins with Mark about the current sad state of the Browns, but your above point is even more applicable to me. I'm running out of "wait till next years" - fast. Unlike Mark, I watch the Browns for more than just the entertainment value- though I have to admit it's been pretty entertaining this year to watch the Browns come up with new and exciting ways to lose games.
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Not sure Mike. That said, I can't imagine any of the rock star FAs about to come available in 2016 are wanting any part of Ray Farmer's program here.
Dwayne Bowe hadn't posted good stats in 3 years and look what he paid the guy with all best football parked in the rear view mirror. His plans to upgrade the red zone with taller guys were either veterans long past upside, 1 experiment w/ Pryor changing positions and Vince Mayle with a 2 year body of work.
Look at what we agreed to pay Bowe while we won't even bring Lenz in here to outplay him for the NFL version of minimum wage?
One thought that Farmer would never admit, is that Bowe was really intended to be the bridge(1 yr filler) till Gordon came back...Now, I know we cant "count" on Gordon and I know that Bowe has been a disaster.....
but I do see what he was thinking.....and IF it had worked out well with Bowe, then we'd have that big strong receiver now.....and would be coming out next year with both Bowe and Gordon....along with all the speedy smurfs....and we'd have a versatile, solid group with a superstar quality receiver leading the way....and w/o spending a high pick.....
Anyway....thats what I think they were thinking......
One thought that Farmer would never admit, is that Bowe was really intended to be the bridge(1 yr filler) till Gordon came back...Now, I know we cant "count" on Gordon and I know that Bowe has been a disaster.....
but I do see what he was thinking.....and IF it had worked out well with Bowe, then we'd have that big strong receiver now.....and would be coming out next year with both Bowe and Gordon....along with all the speedy smurfs....and we'd have a versatile, solid group with a superstar quality receiver leading the way....and w/o spending a high pick.....
Anyway....thats what I think they were thinking......
Yeah- but. Bowe has been such an utter disaster- he's been a healthy scratch more than once. In this 24 day stretch with only one game I would hope Farmer would swallow his ego, admit he made a huge mistake and get rid of this $9 million waste of a roster spot. Don't see it happening though. There's guys on the practice squad who couldn't do much worse.
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I'm also of the mindset that Farmer went and got Tramon Williams for the simple fact that he knew Gilbert was a bust.
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Here's a thought. Without trading up or down in 2014 we could have had Evans @ 4 and JM @ 26. At least we would have had a combination that was used to reading one another and a 6'5" receiver with hands and speed. This team could have used him.
Don't like that combo. Well substitute in Kelvin Benjamin for JM @ 6'6". Hoyer would have been just fine then.
I have no use for a GM that thinks game changing skill guys are a waste of a pick. Mush for brains.
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Here's a thought. Without trading up or down in 2014 we could have had Evans @ 4 and JM @ 26. At least we would have had a combination that was used to reading one another and a 6'5" receiver with hands and speed. This team could have used him.
Don't like that combo. Well substitute in Kelvin Benjamin for JM @ 6'6". Hoyer would have been just fine then.
I have no use for a GM that thinks game changing skill guys are a waste of a pick. Mush for brains.
Here's a thought. Without trading up or down in 2014 we could have had Evans @ 4 and JM @ 26. At least we would have had a combination that was used to reading one another and a 6'5" receiver with hands and speed. This team could have used him.
Woulda shoulda coulda....But If Im redoing that draft, there are 2 certainties....
1) Im taking K Mack at #4...and...
2) Im not picking Johnny....
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Here's a thought. Without trading up or down in 2014 we could have had Evans @ 4 and JM @ 26. At least we would have had a combination that was used to reading one another and a 6'5" receiver with hands and speed. This team could have used him.
Woulda shoulda coulda....But If Im redoing that draft, there are 2 certainties....
1) Im taking K Mack at #4...and...
2) Im not picking Johnny....
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probably because we desperately needed a QB and there were 3 still on the board?,,,,plus, at the time, we had Gordon coming back...?
so draft a wr and leave Manziel, Carr and Bridgewater on the board?......we woulda lynched Farmer for that...
Here's something else I would like to lynch Farmer for. The Titans waive Terrance West, and since he didn't meet the minimum playing time, the Browns don't receive their conditional 7th round pick. So the 3 round pick that Farmer traded up to get, we basically just pissed away. Another reason I want that arrogant prick's job.probably because we desperately needed a QB and there were 3 still on the board?,,,,plus, at the time, we had Gordon coming back...?
so draft a wr and leave Manziel, Carr and Bridgewater on the board?......we woulda lynched Farmer for that...
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Not sure Mike. That said, I can't imagine any of the rock star FAs about to come available in 2016 are wanting any part of Ray Farmer's program here.
Dwayne Bowe hadn't posted good stats in 3 years and look what he paid the guy with all best football parked in the rear view mirror. His plans to upgrade the red zone with taller guys were either veterans long past upside, 1 experiment w/ Pryor changing positions and Vince Mayle with a 2 year body of work.
Look at what we agreed to pay Bowe while we won't even bring Lenz in here to outplay him for the NFL version of minimum wage?
One thought that Farmer would never admit, is that Bowe was really intended to be the bridge(1 yr filler) till Gordon came back...Now, I know we cant "count" on Gordon and I know that Bowe has been a disaster.....
but I do see what he was thinking.....and IF it had worked out well with Bowe, then we'd have that big strong receiver now.....and would be coming out next year with both Bowe and Gordon....along with all the speedy smurfs....and we'd have a versatile, solid group with a superstar quality receiver leading the way....and w/o spending a high pick.....
Anyway....thats what I think they were thinking......
One thought that Farmer would never admit, is that Bowe was really intended to be the bridge(1 yr filler) till Gordon came back...Now, I know we cant "count" on Gordon and I know that Bowe has been a disaster.....
but I do see what he was thinking.....and IF it had worked out well with Bowe, then we'd have that big strong receiver now.....and would be coming out next year with both Bowe and Gordon....along with all the speedy smurfs....and we'd have a versatile, solid group with a superstar quality receiver leading the way....and w/o spending a high pick.....
Anyway....thats what I think they were thinking......
But why not keep a 6'3 Miles Austin who proved to be a serviceable, go-to guy in 2014? Not to mention that he was a good bit cheaper than Bowe.
As for Evans... his 24 receptions would fit right in...
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Farmer has got to be under a microscope at this point. So does Pettine. He worries about keeping Johnny in the pocket when he SHOULD be worried about making halftime adjustments & making his defense function at a higher level. McCown has performed far better than most expected this year, but his efforts come up on the short end. Our QBs aren't losing games, the D is. I maintain there MAY be 3 QBs in this league who could win with his defense, that he has failed to change, & his D Coordinator who only knows Pettines' defense. If he doesn't make some sweeping changes, I don't see him (or Farmer) being around next year.
Mike
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I think it's even simpler than that. Leave Defilipo alone with the offense. Pettine needs to fix the defense. That is the major problem..
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One thought that Farmer would never admit, is that Bowe was really intended to be the bridge(1 yr filler) till Gordon came back...Now, I know we cant "count" on Gordon and I know that Bowe has been a disaster.....
but I do see what he was thinking.....and IF it had worked out well with Bowe, then we'd have that big strong receiver now.....and would be coming out next year with both Bowe and Gordon....along with all the speedy smurfs....and we'd have a versatile, solid group with a superstar quality receiver leading the way....and w/o spending a high pick.....
Anyway....thats what I think they were thinking......
But why not keep a 6'3 Miles Austin who proved to be a serviceable, go-to guy in 2014? Not to mention that he was a good bit cheaper than Bowe.
As for Evans... his 24 receptions would fit right in...
But why not keep a 6'3 Miles Austin who proved to be a serviceable, go-to guy in 2014? Not to mention that he was a good bit cheaper than Bowe.
As for Evans... his 24 receptions would fit right in...
Good points. We've had some really crappy WR Corps here since 1999 that haven't helped the QBs out very much. That being the case, how is it we're deeming guys Lance Moore, Willie Snead and most recently, Josh Lenz as not up to snuff. Even more outrageous is why did we draft a guy like Greg Little thinking we'll just teach him how to catch and coach him up. The teams always bettering us in the standings never had to teach professionals like Antonio Brown, AJ Green, and Anquan Boldin how to catch.
Here's another thing about those doing our drafting, draft BETTER tacklers. Nobody had to teach Eric Turner, Lawrence Taylor, JJ Watt, Reggie White, Carl Banks, Mike Singletary, Kikko Alonso, Sean Lee, Ronnie Lott, Jerry Sherk, Clay Matthews, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed or T. Suggs how to tackle.
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It's stats. They looked at Gilbert and saw stats in college,
against guys who weren't often NFL caliber.
I have to believe guys know how to tackle, but they don't -
they don't love the game enough.
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Is this supposed to be pro or anti tall receivers? I'm a little confused.
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One thought that Farmer would never admit, is that Bowe was really intended to be the bridge(1 yr filler) till Gordon came back...Now, I know we cant "count" on Gordon and I know that Bowe has been a disaster.....
but I do see what he was thinking.....and IF it had worked out well with Bowe, then we'd have that big strong receiver now.....and would be coming out next year with both Bowe and Gordon....along with all the speedy smurfs....and we'd have a versatile, solid group with a superstar quality receiver leading the way....and w/o spending a high pick.....
Anyway....thats what I think they were thinking......
But why not keep a 6'3 Miles Austin who proved to be a serviceable, go-to guy in 2014? Not to mention that he was a good bit cheaper than Bowe.
As for Evans... his 24 receptions would fit right in...
But why not keep a 6'3 Miles Austin who proved to be a serviceable, go-to guy in 2014? Not to mention that he was a good bit cheaper than Bowe.
Was asking the same....but never did figure that one out.....
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Was asking the same....but never did figure that one out.....
Didn't Miles drop a lot of balls though. I can recall a few big ones.
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Is this supposed to be pro or anti tall receivers? I'm a little confused.
Is this supposed to be pro or anti tall receivers? I'm a little confused.
Who are you asking that question to? My thesis to promote a balanced attack in the red zone is more size on the perimeter. That said, I was hoping we'd aim higher than garage sale choices no-one else was interested only to overpay dearly for them.
Why did Miami phase Hartline out? upside in rear view mirror unless our first 8 games showed someone else otherwise. When was the last time Dwayne Bowe posted numbers an NFL team should be interested in? Upside parked 2-3 years ago. What round of the did we prioritize WR help in? So we landed a guy with a 2 year football resume with more questions about his hands than those in charge of our draft were willing to ask.
Lenz is 6'1" with an agenda to prove himself so we cut that and kept a lazy 9 million $ entitlement. Good message to the players or bad message? 3 different vets spoke up about this cut - which doesn't appear to be promoting quite the same "play like a Brown" last year did. If anything, it invited players questioning the sincerity of it all from above.
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