Jonathan Paul Manziel
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I see reading comprehension isn't your strong point. Get your husband to explain it to you.
No. I clearly saw you wanted Bortles.. But you and Johnny are cut from the same drunken mold.. your the one that missed it.
No. I clearly saw you wanted Bortles.. But you and Johnny are cut from the same drunken mold.. your the one that missed it.
My the one?
I have a drink maybe twice a month. I'm just not 800 years old.
This isn't the olden days were players showered after games and took the trolley down to the quarter store and picked up a a handful of taffy for a nickel, then walked home and listened to Roy Rogers on the radio.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Is there a concern for setting a precident in how Pettine and the organization is acting with JFF? There is no doubt he has/had a problem. But there is also no doubt what they were drafting in JFF.
Can the micro management of JFF keep other potential draftees and free agents from wanting to come and play? I think that is a legit question. NFL is not a league of altar boys, yet we are demanding that of one player on the team. How are we going to draft in the future knowing how JFF is turning out for us?
The media created the monster of JFF, and now they want to kill the Frankenstien they created. And listen, I totally get that JFF fucked up, I do. But part of me has to look at the Browns organization and go, "YOU FUCKING DRAFTED THE KID KNOWING WHAT HE WAS". We are a 2-8 football team. We have a first round pick, that has issues. Perhaps letting JFF play, showing him a little forgivness, may actually change is behaviour. But then again, how many chanced do you give him.
There is also the part of me that is dissappointed. I wanted to see JFF play. I wanted to see our offense have more excitement. But now, we will either see McC throw for 500 yards or get sacked 10 times and destroyed. I don't know. This has to be one of the most dissappointing seasons since 99. Was really hoping to have a winning record after a 7-9 season and tanking last year, but alas, here we are again, shitting the bed and with all the wrong publicity.
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Just to inject a little humor, how funny would it be if McCown and Davis got hurt somehow and Manziel had to come in? That would be such a Cleveland Browns event to occur.
Just to inject a little humor, how funny would it be if McCown and Davis got hurt somehow and Manziel had to come in? That would be such a Cleveland Browns event to occur.
I think it would be even funnier if Terrance West got tackled into Pettine on the sideline and they both exploded.
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Only 1 of the 53 have a problem............ Hmmmmmm, I wonder if it's the other 52's, Pettine's or the 1's fault.......... Hmmmmm, tough question, I guess the world will never know.
You mean to tell me every other player on the roster stayed home and studied their playbook this bye week? They didn't go anywhere? You mean every player is completely fine with how this coaching staff handles their players? Oh man, that's something to think about.
You mean to tell me every other player on the roster stayed home and studied their playbook this bye week? They didn't go anywhere? You mean every player is completely fine with how this coaching staff handles their players? Oh man, that's something to think about.
Poor John. The world is just so mean to the lil' fella. Everyone else is the problem. It's just soooo unfair.
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You mean to tell me every other player on the roster stayed home and studied their playbook this bye week? They didn't go anywhere? You mean every player is completely fine with how this coaching staff handles their players? Oh man, that's something to think about.
Poor John. The world is just so mean to the lil' fella. Everyone else is the problem. It's just soooo unfair.
Poor John. The world is just so mean to the lil' fella. Everyone else is the problem. It's just soooo unfair.
I don't give a fuck about John or his plight. I care that this is just setting us even further behind the ball.
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I don't give a fuck about John or his plight. I care that this is just setting us even further behind the ball.
We agree on that, for sure. Problem is, that train started down the track the second the Browns turned in the card that had Johnny Manziel written on it. A bad draft pick (what else is new) and a high one at that (again, what else is new).
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No. I clearly saw you wanted Bortles.. But you and Johnny are cut from the same drunken mold.. your the one that missed it.
My the one?
I have a drink maybe twice a month. I'm just not 800 years old.
This isn't the olden days were players showered after games and took the trolley down to the quarter store and picked up a a handful of taffy for a nickel, then walked home and listened to Roy Rogers on the radio.
My the one?
I have a drink maybe twice a month. I'm just not 800 years old.
This isn't the olden days were players showered after games and took the trolley down to the quarter store and picked up a a handful of taffy for a nickel, then walked home and listened to Roy Rogers on the radio.
No shit Charlie!
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This scenario was talked about on Sportscenter & Sirius/XM.
If Haslam blows this thing up, what are the chances of JM staying on the roster?
They all agreed that the new regime wouldn't want Manziel on the roster.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
This scenario was talked about on Sportscenter & Sirius/XM.
If Haslam blows this thing up, what are the chances of JM staying on the roster?
They all agreed that the new regime wouldn't want Manziel on the roster.
This scenario was talked about on Sportscenter & Sirius/XM.
If Haslam blows this thing up, what are the chances of JM staying on the roster?
They all agreed that the new regime wouldn't want Manziel on the roster.
He is as good as gone. Not another snap for the Browns, ever.
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Adam schefter reports chip kelly and Philly are on the outs
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
One thing that may come up is whether or not he is in the NFL substance abuse program......and I think there is a very good chance that he is.....
Reading the policy, he meets ALL the criteria for the program. With his college issues and very visible drinking habits, then a public admission followed by rehab.....he "should" be at minimum, stage one in the program.....My guess is he could be stage 2.....we will soon find out....
One of the interesting aspects to the new policy is that you can avoid your first suspension by obtaining "treatment"(ala rehab) for your problem. But continued use of that or ANY substance(including alcohol, ask Josh) will get you fined and or suspended.....
So, I would not be surprised to hear he has an upcoming suspension...4 games?....10 games?.....
And I could be 100% wrong......but if you read the policy....its all there in black and white....
And, before anyone says "we would know"... the fine for leaking any info is $500,000
One thing that may come up is whether or not he is in the NFL substance abuse program......and I think there is a very good chance that he is.....
Reading the policy, he meets ALL the criteria for the program. With his college issues and very visible drinking habits, then a public admission followed by rehab.....he "should" be at minimum, stage one in the program.....My guess is he could be stage 2.....we will soon find out....
One of the interesting aspects to the new policy is that you can avoid your first suspension by obtaining "treatment"(ala rehab) for your problem. But continued use of that or ANY substance(including alcohol, ask Josh) will get you fined and or suspended.....
Interesting speculation...
I thought Josh was under an alcohol prohibition due to a DWI that occurred apart from his "substance" transgressions.
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Adam schefter reports chip kelly and Philly are on the outs
I saw that clip on ESPN, the Eagle fan's want Kelly's ass on a skewer.Adam schefter reports chip kelly and Philly are on the outs
Tough crowd.
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You're basing that assertion on the fact he didn't pass by Jimmey his decision to bench Manziel, which isn't really news. It's the coach's call, it's what boss Haslem hired him to do. Do you want a stoolie for a coach that calls the owner, who's not a football guy, before every major personnel decision? makes no sense bro.
No, I'm basing that assertion on the fact that he has .346 win percentage, AND he just benched Haslam's shiny first round pick without even running it by him first in a season that is lost.
Makes a lot of sense, bro.
No, I'm basing that assertion on the fact that he has .346 win percentage, AND he just benched Haslam's shiny first round pick without even running it by him first in a season that is lost.
Makes a lot of sense, bro.
No it doesn't, the 26th pick in the 1st round isn't that shiny anyway. C"mon you know that. And pettine's win %? Really? I thought you were one of the guys that understood this was gonna take some time. No one is coming in here and winning. You don't shoehorn players into a scheme that doesn't fit them, that's not how you win the NFL. Again, you're one of the smarter football guys here, you know this.
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This is what I wrote in the other thread.
" Well said, mud. One straw too many. I don't know this, but I'm guessing that during his time at A&M, he got away with a lot, much more than was ever reported. His incredible talent made it easy to overlook the probable partying.
Not a new story. It happens all the time. Yet again people like me are saying "if I made millions to play a game, I'd never screw it up". And it might even be true, but not for Johnny. Or dozens, hundreds, thousands of others who have screwed up.
It's depressing that this is likely the end of the Manziel--Browns experiment. I was so hoping that the Browns would grow to love Johnny as he "wrecked the league". Looks like he will forever be another in a long line of failed qb's for Browns fans, and it's his own fault.
I truly believe he has the ability to be a good qb in the League, maybe even great. Sadly, his extracurricular proclivities may prevent us from ever knowing how good he could have been.
Very depressing."
I've been thinking more about this, and i have some questions/observations.
1. Johnny is addicted to the "party", not to alcohol or cocaine... BUT, he is also addicted to competition. Johnny's problems at A&M always coincided with time away from football. This was only mitigated when his opportunity to compete was in peril. So, in actuality, the decision to make him the starter came at the worst possible time - before the bye week. His competion-addiction on hold, the party-addiction kicked in.
2. Now that Pettine has put Johnny at 3rd string, what happens next? Say McCown and Davis play terribly, is Johnny even an option? Say they both get hurt and jphnny goes on a 3-game win streak, then gets filmed doing EXACTLY the same thing he did in Austin? What then?
I ask this because it has to be known now. They can't be taken off guard if it happens.
They've set a bar that may be too high for Johnny to ever realistically reach. This may be the plan, to trade or release him, but if so, they should do it now, before something happens to muddy the waterz even molre.
This whole situation just sucks. I was so psyched to see the Browns Monday. I will still be rooting for them, but I'm gonna be bummed.
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I don't give a fuck about John or his plight. I care that this is just setting us even further behind the ball.
We agree on that, for sure. Problem is, that train started down the track the second the Browns turned in the card that had Johnny Manziel written on it. A bad draft pick (what else is new) and a high one at that (again, what else is new).
We agree on that, for sure. Problem is, that train started down the track the second the Browns turned in the card that had Johnny Manziel written on it. A bad draft pick (what else is new) and a high one at that (again, what else is new).
I agree that it was a bad decision, but not because of Manziel, but because of the marriage of our staff + Manziel.
There are scenarios where Manziel could have been a fantastic pick and turned out just fine. A city with an established, talented QB. A coaching staff that was proven and adept at handling troubled players. A front office with stability. These are places that Manziel could have excelled in.
At the end of the day, the drinking either goes away or it doesn't - it's not going to be changed by the rules that some shitty coach enforces. There have been plenty of examples of players going out during the season and nothing ever coming of it - just go to /r/Browns if you want to see. If Manziel can get wrecked and perform like he did against Pittsburgh, it shouldn't matter.
We're not in a position to enforce morality rules when we currently have almost the worst defense in the entire league and a roster that is, on paper, more talented than a few teams in our conference.
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This is what I wrote in the other thread.
" Well said, mud. One straw too many. I don't know this, but I'm guessing that during his time at A&M, he got away with a lot, much more than was ever reported. His incredible talent made it easy to overlook the probable partying.
Not a new story. It happens all the time. Yet again people like me are saying "if I made millions to play a game, I'd never screw it up". And it might even be true, but not for Johnny. Or dozens, hundreds, thousands of others who have screwed up.
It's depressing that this is likely the end of the Manziel--Browns experiment. I was so hoping that the Browns would grow to love Johnny as he "wrecked the league". Looks like he will forever be another in a long line of failed qb's for Browns fans, and it's his own fault.
I truly believe he has the ability to be a good qb in the League, maybe even great. Sadly, his extracurricular proclivities may prevent us from ever knowing how good he could have been.
Very depressing."
I've been thinking more about this, and i have some questions/observations.
1. Johnny is addicted to the "party", not to alcohol or cocaine... BUT, he is also addicted to competition. Johnny's problems at A&M always coincided with time away from football. This was only mitigated when his opportunity to compete was in peril. So, in actuality, the decision to make him the starter came at the worst possible time - before the bye week. His competion-addiction on hold, the party-addiction kicked in.
2. Now that Pettine has put Johnny at 3rd string, what happens next? Say McCown and Davis play terribly, is Johnny even an option? Say they both get hurt and jphnny goes on a 3-game win streak, then gets filmed doing EXACTLY the same thing he did in Austin? What then?
I ask this because it has to be known now. They can't be taken off guard if it happens.
They've set a bar that may be too high for Johnny to ever realistically reach. This may be the plan, to trade or release him, but if so, they should do it now, before something happens to muddy the waterz even molre.
This whole situation just sucks. I was so psyched to see the Browns Monday. I will still be rooting for them, but I'm gonna be bummed.
Pettine answered 1 questions during his presser, and made a comment that may shed some light on this.2. Now that Pettine has put Johnny at 3rd string, what happens next? Say McCown and Davis play terribly, is Johnny even an option?
Q: Has Johnny taken his last snap at QB for the Browns?
Pettine: "I hope not".
"I won't say that this is a dead end for Johnny, more like a hurdle".
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No, I'm basing that assertion on the fact that he has .346 win percentage, AND he just benched Haslam's shiny first round pick without even running it by him first in a season that is lost.
Makes a lot of sense, bro.
No it doesn't, the 26th pick in the 1st round isn't that shiny anyway. C"mon you know that. And pettine's win %? Really? I thought you were one of the guys that understood this was gonna take some time. No one is coming in here and winning. You don't shoehorn players into a scheme that doesn't fit them, that's not how you win the NFL. Again, you're one of the smarter football guys here, you know this.
No it doesn't, the 26th pick in the 1st round isn't that shiny anyway. C"mon you know that. And pettine's win %? Really? I thought you were one of the guys that understood this was gonna take some time. No one is coming in here and winning. You don't shoehorn players into a scheme that doesn't fit them, that's not how you win the NFL. Again, you're one of the smarter football guys here, you know this.
So how is starting McCown preparing for the future again? And in who's book is 2-14 an improvement?
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@twithersAP: Joe Thomas says #Browns players support Pettine's decision to bench Manziel.
@RuiterWrongFAN: "The QB position is not the reason we're 2-8" - Brian Hartline
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Pettine answered 1 questions during his presser, and made a comment that may shed some light on this.2. Now that Pettine has put Johnny at 3rd string, what happens next? Say McCown and Davis play terribly, is Johnny even an option?
Q: Has Johnny taken his last snap at QB for the Browns?
Pettine: "I hope not".
"I won't say that this is a dead end for Johnny, more like a hurdle".
Pettine answered 1 questions during his presser, and made a comment that may shed some light on this.
Q: Has Johnny taken his last snap at QB for the Browns?
Pettine: "I hope not".
"I won't say that this is a dead end for Johnny, more like a hurdle".
Thanks, CD. That's good to hear. I still wonder what it means, though. Does it mean that Johnny goes back to first string if he avoids drunk bar photos this week? Does he have to compete for the job in practice? Is he third string for the rest of the season?
This is all so "Days of our Lives". I don't expect Pettine to reveal anything, but I am certainly curious. If drunken bar photos prevented Johnny from playing in Aggieland, the greatest Aggie football player ever would have never seen the field.
Maybe that's what he needed. Real consequences for his less-than-scrupulous lifestyle. Maybe, like Stabler and Namath, he should be left alone if he's doing his job and not breaking any laws. Who knows?
It's just a shame that guys like Johnny and Josh Gordon can't curb their seemingly mundane needs and see the bigger picture. Hopefully it's not too late.
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Pet isn't going anywhere, Johnny is.
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