First Draft Pick Must be a QB - Paxton
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Is Dan McGwire still available?
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i haven't seen anyone else be as impressive at a spot the browns need.
i haven't seen anyone else be as impressive at a spot the browns need.
Have you watched anyone else?
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indeed i have. Smith out of notre dame maybe. Ramsey is okay but i worry about the whole S/CB thing going on a little to much of a project there. Bosa has been a kruger clone this year and has said he doesn't care for the city of cleveland. a RB at 1 overall is insane. there is no calvin johnson cant miss WR in this draft. the best this class has is a slot guy. really who is your top guy? who actually is worth the number 1 in your eyes. Personally i hope we draft #2 after the titans that way they can get bosa and we can get lynch without the osu homers complaining. We have zero need of a tackle so most lineman can wait until day 2-3.
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What if "John the Gimmick QB" wins two of the next three?
Then he will deserve one of those super hero monikers.
Pick one:
My vote is for She-ThingThen he will deserve one of those super hero monikers.
Pick one:
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i see no reason that he couldn't be a day one starter but i think mccown to start next season would be good
Then he isn't your #1 overall pick. Pretty simple.
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Id like a Bosa, Zeke draft... Not just bc Im a Buckeye fan either...
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i mean perfect world I'd like bosa and lynch and henry or christian next year not a fan of zeke
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Browns RB from Alabama-Richardson -Check
Browns Heisman Winner - Manziel -Check
Browns will not draft Heisman RB from Alabama -Check
Browns too gunshy?? -Check
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I like Goff over Lynch from limited I have seen of both.
If they decide to give up on Manziel, QB should be the pick. The question then is which one.
And I get that there plenty of problems with the roster -- but removing their coaching stuff (Especially every person involved with their defense), could help.
Defensive coordinator candidates shouldn't be hard to find. Perry Fewell did a nice job with NYG as DC for a period. Hes the DB coach for Redskins. Their personnel (from my understanding) has been injured, and subpar talent-wise, but they're not playing so poorly.
I like Goff over Lynch from limited I have seen of both.
If they decide to give up on Manziel, QB should be the pick. The question then is which one.
agreed. when you don't have a franchise QB in place and you have the first pick of the entire draft you don't get greedy and stockpile pix or have the luxury of drooling over Jadaveon Clowneys. safe odds say you take a shot at getting your franchise face, hit or miss, win or lose.
the alternative? spending 3 drafts worth of #1's to trade up to get the #1 overall in 2017 or 2018 ala RG3? yeah no thanks.
even if he ends up being Sam Bradford or Matt Stafford, or even Jamarcus or Ryan Lief >> when in Rome...and WHILE in Rome...you absolutely make the sacrifice to try to get your guy in place. too expensive a trip otherwise. the cost equates to the pain of being the 32nd team out of 32 other teams. get ur QB. then the blue chip luxury pieces come thereafter.
without a franchise QB, Calvin Johnsons, Adrian Petersons, Khalil Macks and JJ Watts are about the same as a Joe Thomas in terms of wins.
if it's Johnny so be it it's Johnny. and if that's the case spending a #1 on a QB just to back him up and get groomed for the (potential) future won't even hurt. it's just the single most important position in all mainstream sports. best case: would having two really be that bad? how about having none? the Browns franchise is worth about 1.5B. a mazzeroti with no driver isn't makin it anywhere fast.
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exactly to be fair the 1st round qb's we have taken since 1999 is weeden, quinn and manziel and couch. i think we are due a 5th
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exactly to be fair the 1st round qb's we have taken since 1999 is weeden, quinn and manziel and couch. i think we are due a 5th
exactly to be fair the last 1st round qb we have gotten is weeden, quinn and manziel
Audi A8's and Teslas are nice, but they don't win NASCAR. the more shots on goal, the more chances to score. the Browns may be on their 25th or 26th QB since '99...but in all that time only one was a #1 overall...and Tim at least took them to the playoffs. our record of 1st overalls that weren't a franchise QB isn't even 0-1. more like 0.5 - 1. the record on non first overall QBs being a franchise guy are about 0 - 25. we gotta hedge our bets this time, do all we can to find the guy. we did the diamond in the rough searches with the likes of Charlie Frye, Colt McCoy etc. second rate is, well, second rate. time to suck it up and go for it again. everything to gain, nothing to lose from my view. playoff births and potential Super Ball appearances vs perpetual 2 - 14, 3 -13, 4 - 12 seasons...no brainer to me.
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I like Goff over Lynch from limited I have seen of both.
If they decide to give up on Manziel, QB should be the pick. The question then is which one.
agreed. when you don't have a franchise QB in place and you have the first pick of the entire draft you don't get greedy and stockpile pix or have the luxury of drooling over Jadaveon Clowneys. safe odds say you take a shot at getting your franchise face, hit or miss, win or lose.
the alternative? spending 3 drafts worth of #1's to trade up to get the #1 overall in 2017 or 2018 ala RG3? yeah no thanks.
even if he ends up being Sam Bradford or Matt Stafford, or even Jamarcus or Ryan Lief >> when in Rome...and WHILE in Rome...you absolutely make the sacrifice to try to get your guy in place. too expensive a trip otherwise. the cost equates to the pain of being the 32nd team out of 32 other teams. get ur QB. then the blue chip luxury pieces come thereafter.
without a franchise QB, Calvin Johnsons, Adrian Petersons, Khalil Macks and JJ Watts are about the same as a Joe Thomas in terms of wins.
if it's Johnny so be it it's Johnny. and if that's the case spending a #1 on a QB just to back him up and get groomed for the (potential) future won't even hurt. it's just the single most important position in all mainstream sports. best case: would having two really be that bad? how about having none? the Browns franchise is worth about 1.5B. a mazzeroti with no driver isn't makin it anywhere fast.
What's up, Frisky?
if it's Johnny so be it it's Johnny. and if that's the case spending a #1 on a QB just to back him up and get groomed for the (potential) future won't even hurt.
You realize that if we draft a Senior QB, that he'll be the same age as JM?
If it's JM, it's JM... if it's not, then pray there's a worthy #1 QB on our board.
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We drafted a first round QB last year; he's played 5 games; people want to draft another because he's not yet perfect?
Give me a break.
At *best* a guy like Lynch is a project. Given how many teams are going to be drafting a QB - two, us and SF - I think we can hold fire and get him later. There's absolutely no need to jizz all over our draft because a guy is 6'7"
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Weeden played 23 games and started 20 games for us in his 2 years.
Manziel is going to gave played 15 games and started 9 games by the end of the year in his 2 years with us.
In 2 years weeden sucked but had some good games.
In 2 years manziel has sucked but had a good game so far. Has been to rehab, openly admitted to not taking his rookie year seriously, been benched for team discipline, has been a constant source of distraction in the organization, has been proven to be dishonest.
Unless he develops the abilty to fly and scores us 5 rushing touchdowns and 15 passing touchdowns in the next few games i don't really give a shit it's time to move on. And as a browns fan you should be happy that we get another chance at a franchise qb that actually garners some respect instead of mockery.
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Weeden played 23 games and started 20 games for us in his 2 years.
Manziel is going to gave played 15 games and started 9 games by the end of the year in his 2 years with us.
In 2 years weeden sucked but had some good games.
In 2 years manziel has sucked but had a good game so far. Has been to rehab, openly admitted to not taking his rookie year seriously, been benched for team discipline, has been a constant source of distraction in the organization, has been proven to be dishonest.
Unless he develops the abilty to fly and scores us 5 rushing touchdowns and 15 passing touchdowns in the next few games i don't really give a shit it's time to move on. And as a browns fan you should be happy that we get another chance at a franchise qb that actually garners some respect instead of mockery.
Weeden played 23 games and started 20 games for us in his 2 years.
Manziel is going to gave played 15 games and started 9 games by the end of the year in his 2 years with us.
In 2 years weeden sucked but had some good games.
In 2 years manziel has sucked but had a good game so far. Has been to rehab, openly admitted to not taking his rookie year seriously, been benched for team discipline, has been a constant source of distraction in the organization, has been proven to be dishonest.
Unless he develops the abilty to fly and scores us 5 rushing touchdowns and 15 passing touchdowns in the next few games i don't really give a shit it's time to move on. And as a browns fan you should be happy that we get another chance at a franchise qb that actually garners some respect instead of mockery.
Oh, I'm sorry.
For a second I thought you had a point.
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Weeden played 23 games and started 20 games for us in his 2 years.
Manziel is going to gave played 15 games and started 9 games by the end of the year in his 2 years with us.
In 2 years weeden sucked but had some good games.
In 2 years manziel has sucked but had a good game so far. Has been to rehab, openly admitted to not taking his rookie year seriously, been benched for team discipline, has been a constant source of distraction in the organization, has been proven to be dishonest.
Unless he develops the abilty to fly and scores us 5 rushing touchdowns and 15 passing touchdowns in the next few games i don't really give a shit it's time to move on. And as a browns fan you should be happy that we get another chance at a franchise qb that actually garners some respect instead of mockery.
Weeden played 23 games and started 20 games for us in his 2 years.
In 2 years weeden sucked but had some good games.
How many good games? One? Two? Buffalo he pulled out a win, assisted by a couple of D/ST touchdowns. Aside from that, he completed about 55% of his passes, and threw more picks than TDs (~70 QBR)
Manziel is going to gave played 15 games and started 9 games by the end of the year in his 2 years with us.
In 2 years manziel has sucked but had a good game so far. Has been to rehab, openly admitted to not taking his rookie year seriously, been benched for team discipline, has been a constant source of distraction in the organization, has been proven to be dishonest.
Manziel has had ups and downs, but this year, he's at 61%, 6TDs to 3 INTs (~89 QBR). Plus 2 wins from 4 starts to boot. I'm not saying he's definitely the guy, but let's maybe give him more than 6 games to figure it out before calling him a bust?
Unless he develops the abilty to fly and scores us 5 rushing touchdowns and 15 passing touchdowns in the next few games i don't really give a shit it's time to move on. And as a browns fan you should be happy that we get another chance at a franchise qb that actually garners some respect instead of mockery.
As a browns fan, I'm pissed off that we're picking near the top of the draft. To proclaim yourself happy at such a low win total garners yourself nothing but mockery.
As a browns fan, I'm hoping to see a solid running game to take a little pressure off of our QB, I'm hoping to see a defense that means we don't have to score 30+ to win a game, and I'm hoping to see a competitive team.
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We drafted a first round QB last year; he's played 5 games; people want to draft another because he's not yet perfect?
Give me a break.
At *best* a guy like Lynch is a project. Given how many teams are going to be drafting a QB - two, us and SF - I think we can hold fire and get him later. There's absolutely no need to jizz all over our draft because a guy is 6'7"
We drafted a first round QB last year; he's played 5 games; people want to draft another because he's not yet perfect?
Give me a break.
At *best* a guy like Lynch is a project. Given how many teams are going to be drafting a QB - two, us and SF - I think we can hold fire and get him later. There's absolutely no need to jizz all over our draft because a guy is 6'7"
I think any draft talk is premature at this point anyways. Johnny has 3 games left (if he hopefully stays healthy on the field and doesn't get stupid off of it) this year against 3 teams playing for the playoffs, 2 of them are in the top 5 toughest places to play in Seattle and KC. My hope for these last 3 is that he plays well in each of them (regardless of outcome) but looks like an NFL QB and puts some points on the board in each game and we play each team tough till the end. If that happens, I don't see us taking a QB next year in the early round which would be better for the team in the long run anyways.
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Gipper I kind of like "Fanboy" in honor of those of us who followed him over.
OK, Ok, then Lightning Lad or Tiagra (since many think he gets the whole team up for games).
Gipper I kind of like "Fanboy" in honor of those of us who followed him over.
OK, Ok, then Lightning Lad or Tiagra (since many think he gets the whole team up for games).
Though it is not on the list above, given his size wouldn't "Ant Man" be a bit apropos?
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Is Dan McGwire still available?
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Is Dan McGwire still available?
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His clone and spiritual successor, Ryan Mallet, was just picked up by the Ravens.
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Browns RB from Alabama-Richardson -Check
Browns Heisman Winner - Manziel -Check
Browns will not draft Heisman RB from Alabama -Check
Browns too gunshy?? -Check
Browns RB from Alabama-Richardson -Check
Browns Heisman Winner - Manziel -Check
Browns will not draft Heisman RB from Alabama -Check
Browns too gunshy?? -Check
No....not necessarily........but they would not do at until round 2 if they do consider him.
I expect 2-3 other RBs to grade out better than he. Eliot, Fournette at least.
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