Browns might face NFL's biggest overhaul

miktoxic

shhhhh!

they won the game and everyone is on god-level status again.

ballpeen

@miktoxic said:

shhhhh!

they won the game and everyone is on god-level status again.

I don't see that Mic. Don't forget, you are supposed to enjoy a win. Right?

Tour2ma

Enjoy a win? Sure... but not base your total team view and needs assessment upon it.

D Bone

Enjoyed the win, but a single win vs a very bad team doesn't change what's going to happen on Black Monday. I don't know which heads are going to roll, but rest assured, head(s) will roll.

The swings and misses on the 1st round alone are unforgivable, and are beyond cause for termination......... Factor in Bowe and Text Gate, and I believe I have an idea which head will fall into the bucket.

When all is said and done, it's an absolute embarrassment what this organization did with 4 total 1st round picks - 2 picks in back-to-back years no less. Whoever is responsible, set the franchise back for many years.

miktoxic

@ballpeen said:
I don't see that Mic. Don't forget, you are supposed to enjoy a win. Right?

i should have put that in pink.

i enjoy wins more than most on this board. when people constantly try to find something to make themselves upset...........i'm the other guy who tries to find good in everything (even if it's an ex who took you to the cleaners for 500k+ but she's the mother of your kids). yeah that's me. mr. sunshine!!

calfoxwc

The Browns aren't anywhere near being the biggest overhaul.

There are many teams who need to fix their offensive and defensive lines,

in addition to having other weaknesses.

The Browns don't have elite playmakers on offense - except for Barnidge,

and maybe Travis.

They have a few cbs who may very well come into their own, and be very, very good.

I wasn't thinkin of Gilbert when I just said that....

We just have to draft a qb with our first pick in the draft....but I'm only saying that to make

Canton Mike spit out his coffee and call me to yell at me....lol...

I believe, still, that the coaches have made some changes in how they are doing things.

We'll see the next couple of games. If Tour is right, and they haven't...

well, it will be ugly the rest of the season. The players have played very tough and hard all season.

Tour2ma

Wait... What?

calfoxwc

Yes, I was rambling.... the Browns don't need a major overhaul of their oline and dline

like plenty of other teams do. That means the Browns don't have to have

a major overhaul...but they do need some playmakers on offense at wr.

That make more sense? lol

jiggins7919

Yeah, a huge overhaul is certainly possible, but I like to think that a small one can happen to. New OL coach, new defensive coordinator, and new GM. Well, that's not exactly small, but whatever. LOL. And I know every team can play the "what if game", but we have some intriguing "what ifs" of our own.

What if Josh Gordon can be the guy we hope he is?

What if Ekpre-Olomu emmerges as a serious player?

What if Johnny continues to progress and McCown comes back as the backup?

Those are just a few, but our team could look completely different with just a few things going our way.

nickers

Here's the reality... The team is starting over. Weather or not . if you like it.. or do not.. We are starting over.. I agree that Pet and Farmer cant co-exist. So I dont think the next GM wants Pet as his coach. Personally.. I think they both blow.

Tour2ma

Why is it a given that Pet and Farmer cannot co-exist?

The Gipper

@tour2ma said:
Why is it a given that Pet and Farmer cannot co-exist?

Who knows, who cares.....they have co-existed together for a mutual end: To have the Browns suck. Mission Accomplished.

Now get rid of them.

Tour2ma

Cares? Besides me?

Maybe the guy who was a proponent of installing a POFO?

nickers

@tour2ma said:
Why is it a given that Pet and Farmer cannot co-exist?

Well.. If you believe some reports... That Pet and Farmer have "Issues".. Then it makes sense not to keep them together..Pet was not Farmers choice to start with.....

The Gipper

@tour2ma said:

Cares? Besides me?

Maybe the guy who was a proponent of installing a POFO?

Yea, we need a POFO......and one who probably also care whether or not these two can get along....as one or both would be gone.

Richiswhere

@nickers said:
Well.. If you believe some reports... That Pet and Farmer have "Issues".. Then it makes sense not to keep them together..Pet was not Farmers choice to start with.....

but he was Haslem choice and no one else's

Go 'Losers

In a nutshell this article explains why the Browns will never win...until it stops hitting the RESET BUTTON every other year.

This clip from Mike & Mike on ESPN says it perfectly -----> http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=14311216

This state the Browns have been in since 1999 is not a player issue, IT"S THE WHOLE DAMN FRANCHISE. Three different owners who weren't equipped enough to manage a Burger King, 7 different GMs, 8 Head Coaches, 24 starting quarterbacks....Dear God!!!

And people wonder why we can't get to .500, why we can't beat Pittsburgh. Newsflash: the Steelers are worlds apart on how to run a successful sports franchise, so are Baltimore and Cincinnati.

So when people ask when will things start changing for the Browns my response is...When things stop changing with the Browns (i.e. consistency)

TexasAg1969

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/12/michael_reghi_is_riled_up_abou_6.html#incart_story_package

Along that same line of a disconnect.

flyingfooldoug

@richiswhere said:
but he was Haslem choice and no one else's

Wasn't Farmer assistant GM when Pettine was hired?

Unsympathetic

I think Gordon gets it.

Gordon for All-Pro 2016.

I really don't think anyone who's an out-of-control partyer would do anything that link presents.. In poker, that's a tell.