Jonathan Paul Manziel
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You and mud are getting too damned optimistic. LOL!
Hahaha.....I can fix that.....see below....
Yeah like Ex-QB's Staubach and Tarkenton.
But seriously he stood in nearly every single snap (other than the quick hitters) going through his progressions. Some QB's have that internal clock then go off and throw the ball away. But some have that same clock go off and look for play extension while still looking for receivers. That is what we have in JM. At some point he will add the "throwaway" to his repertoire as the 3rd and last option. That day is not far off in my opinion. When JM starts beating a bad play into his head with his tablet, it usually sticks.
He definitely has improved.....but, to balance all the enthusiasm......his best game is still slightly "below" McCowns average for the year.....and we ALL know what so many have said about him , right?
So....with McCown, what is known as "average" and "13 year back up quality".....is consider "great"(by some) when Johnny does it...
I gotta say there were some very very scary runs too......in fact, twice(2 times) he ran 30 freaking yards the wrong way.....and almost got crushed both times...plus also had a very near safety.....so, he really really needs to play smarter and realize his feet can hurt us as much as they can help....
So, he needs to avoid canceling the good runs with bad runs......as good as he runs, McCown still averages more per rush....and Id say the difference is that he ....1) dumps the ball faster and more often....and 2) avoids those backwards runs.....
BUT....I see where this is going and Im down.....I think if Johnny keeps getting better(and I believe he will), then he can be the guy...
A couple more games, on par with this, probably buys him a starting job......somewhere....and hopefully its here, if he keeps it together
He definitely has improved.....but, to balance all the enthusiasm......his best game is still slightly "below" McCowns average for the year.....and we ALL know what so many have said about him , right?
So....with McCown, what is known as "average" and "13 year back up quality".....is consider "great"(by some) when Johnny does it...
Actually Mudfly, I would disagree with you. And I have the evidence to support it. Let's agree that QB rating is established as an accurate tool to assess a QB's performance. If you look at QB ratings for 2015, Manziel has the best game of the year for the Browns (by far) in Week 2 against the Titans. In fact, that was the 19th best game by a Cleveland QB EVER (with 15+ attempts). Kosar had a better game on 4 occasions in his career. Vinny did it twice, as did Couch. Quinn? McCoy? Hoyer? McCown? Never.
Over the last 6 games of the season, Manziel's two games have QB ratings both above 92 (week 10 at 95.8, last week at 92.1), and those other 4 games with those other QB's were all below 90. Lowest QBratings for the year? McCown's 63.3 in Week 6, and Austin Davis' 71.2 a week ago.
As far as QB play ON THE FIELD is concerned, the evidence is pretty clear who the best option is for the Browns. The two of three wins with Manziel underscores it as well. When you consider Manziel doesn't have a single season of games (cumulative) under center, and I would think there is plenty of room for enthusiasm. At least as far as the QB position goes.
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The only issue is QB rating can't be used as an 'end all be all' tool. While you're at it, McCown's body of work has been over the course of more games than Manziel while Johnny starts have (coincidentally enough) aligned with playing the two teams slated to pick ahead of us in the draft.
In golf we say the ball has a great lie.
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He definitely has improved.....but, to balance all the enthusiasm......his best game is still slightly "below" McCowns average for the year.....and we ALL know what so many have said about him , right?
So....with McCown, what is known as "average" and "13 year back up quality".....is consider "great"(by some) when Johnny does it...
Actually Mudfly, I would disagree with you. And I have the evidence to support it. Let's agree that QB rating is established as an accurate tool to assess a QB's performance. If you look at QB ratings for 2015, Manziel has the best game of the year for the Browns (by far) in Week 2 against the Titans. In fact, that was the 19th best game by a Cleveland QB EVER (with 15+ attempts). Kosar had a better game on 4 occasions in his career. Vinny did it twice, as did Couch. Quinn? McCoy? Hoyer? McCown? Never.
Over the last 6 games of the season, Manziel's two games have QB ratings both above 92 (week 10 at 95.8, last week at 92.1), and those other 4 games with those other QB's were all below 90. Lowest QBratings for the year? McCown's 63.3 in Week 6, and Austin Davis' 71.2 a week ago.
As far as QB play ON THE FIELD is concerned, the evidence is pretty clear who the best option is for the Browns. The two of three wins with Manziel underscores it as well. When you consider Manziel doesn't have a single season of games (cumulative) under center, and I would think there is plenty of room for enthusiasm. At least as far as the QB position goes.
He definitely has improved.....but, to balance all the enthusiasm......his best game is still slightly "below" McCowns average for the year.....and we ALL know what so many have said about him , right?
So....with McCown, what is known as "average" and "13 year back up quality".....is consider "great"(by some) when Johnny does it...
Actually Mudfly, I would disagree with you. And I have the evidence to support it. Let's agree that QB rating is established as an accurate tool to assess a QB's performance. If you look at QB ratings for 2015, Manziel has the best game of the year for the Browns (by far) in Week 2 against the Titans. In fact, that was the 19th best game by a Cleveland QB EVER (with 15+ attempts). Kosar had a better game on 4 occasions in his career. Vinny did it twice, as did Couch. Quinn? McCoy? Hoyer? McCown? Never.
Over the last 6 games of the season, Manziel's two games have QB ratings both above 92 (week 10 at 95.8, last week at 92.1), and those other 4 games with those other QB's were all below 90. Lowest QBratings for the year? McCown's 63.3 in Week 6, and Austin Davis' 71.2 a week ago.
As far as QB play ON THE FIELD is concerned, the evidence is pretty clear who the best option is for the Browns. The two of three wins with Manziel underscores it as well. When you consider Manziel doesn't have a single season of games (cumulative) under center, and I would think there is plenty of room for enthusiasm. At least as far as the QB position goes.
Well, a 89 qbr, and a ESPN total qbr of 57 after a few games means he doesn't totally suck-yet. Considering Barnidge and Benjamin are his only legit targets, and except for SF no running game, he's not doing too bad.
Just can the party circuit Johnny.
PS welcome to the Asylum.
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I don't think Manziel was in any danger of going through a concussion protocol when he smacked the tablet on his forehead as the worst outcome was at most a broken tablet but I did like the fire I saw from him on the sideline which I will take every day of the week as compared to this...^^^^^
I don't think Manziel was in any danger of going through a concussion protocol when he smacked the tablet on his forehead as the worst outcome was at most a broken tablet but I did like the fire I saw from him on the sideline which I will take every day of the week as compared to this...^^^^^
Yup.. saved by the logo...
Point is that there's a whole lot of higher ground between inappropriate clowning and self-flagellation...
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I don't think Manziel was in any danger of going through a concussion protocol when he smacked the tablet on his forehead as the worst outcome was at most a broken tablet but I did like the fire I saw from him on the sideline which I will take every day of the week as compared to this...^^^^^
Yup.. saved by the logo...
Point is that there's a whole lot of higher ground between inappropriate clowning and self-flagellation...
Yup.. saved by the logo...
Point is that there's a whole lot of higher ground between inappropriate clowning and self-flagellation...
Dude, Tour. You are above this lame arse criticism. Come on man. Even Pett didn't care.
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On the radio, Bernie Kosar defended Manziel, he joked that it just
shows genuine passion.
He said back in the day, if he could have had some big computer monitors
on the sideline, he'd have gone through about 30 of them.
and, it shows he is intense, and has the fire and wants to win.I was against
drafting JM, but the kid can play, and if he can keep it together off the field,
and keep growing as qb....
I'm all in. It hasn't been easy for Browns qb's in the past, with an oline that doesn't function
well at all, all the time Now, the oline is solid, but the offense needs a blue chip, elite star WR.
That is taller than 6'.
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He definitely has improved.....but, to balance all the enthusiasm......his best game is still slightly "below" McCowns average for the year.....and we ALL know what so many have said about him , right?
So....with McCown, what is known as "average" and "13 year back up quality".....is consider "great"(by some) when Johnny does it...
Actually Mudfly, I would disagree with you. And I have the evidence to support it. Let's agree that QB rating is established as an accurate tool to assess a QB's performance. If you look at QB ratings for 2015, Manziel has the best game of the year for the Browns (by far) in Week 2 against the Titans. In fact, that was the 19th best game by a Cleveland QB EVER (with 15+ attempts). Kosar had a better game on 4 occasions in his career. Vinny did it twice, as did Couch. Quinn? McCoy? Hoyer? McCown? Never.
Over the last 6 games of the season, Manziel's two games have QB ratings both above 92 (week 10 at 95.8, last week at 92.1), and those other 4 games with those other QB's were all below 90. Lowest QBratings for the year? McCown's 63.3 in Week 6, and Austin Davis' 71.2 a week ago.
As far as QB play ON THE FIELD is concerned, the evidence is pretty clear who the best option is for the Browns. The two of three wins with Manziel underscores it as well. When you consider Manziel doesn't have a single season of games (cumulative) under center, and I would think there is plenty of room for enthusiasm. At least as far as the QB position goes.
He definitely has improved.....but, to balance all the enthusiasm......his best game is still slightly "below" McCowns average for the year.....and we ALL know what so many have said about him , right?
So....with McCown, what is known as "average" and "13 year back up quality".....is consider "great"(by some) when Johnny does it...
Let's agree that QB rating is established as an accurate tool to assess a QB's performance.
No, let's not....because I don't think it is all that accurate.
If you look at QB ratings for 2015, Manziel has the best game of the year for the Browns (by far) in Week 2 against the Titans. In fact, that was the 19th best game by a Cleveland QB EVER (with 15+ attempts). Kosar had a better game on 4 occasions in his career. Vinny did it twice, as did Couch. Quinn? McCoy? Hoyer? McCown? Never.
Over the last 6 games of the season, Manziel's two games have QB ratings both above 92 (week 10 at 95.8, last week at 92.1), and those other 4 games with those other QB's were all below 90. Lowest QBratings for the year? McCown's 63.3 in Week 6, and Austin Davis' 71.2 a week ago.
As far as QB play ON THE FIELD is concerned, the evidence is pretty clear who the best option is for the Browns. The two of three wins with Manziel underscores it as well. When you consider Manziel doesn't have a single season of games (cumulative) under center, and I would think there is plenty of room for enthusiasm. At least as far as the QB position goes.
I think what there is room for is tempered optimism. JFF has played well against the bums of the league: Titan/49ers (The Browns really are a better team than all these). Against a good team, say, the Steelers....he got a lot of yards but few points...and scoring points is what it is all about.
But I do think the next 3 games could be very telling.
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He definitely has improved.....but, to balance all the enthusiasm......his best game is still slightly "below" McCowns average for the year.....and we ALL know what so many have said about him , right?
So....with McCown, what is known as "average" and "13 year back up quality".....is consider "great"(by some) when Johnny does it...
Actually Mudfly, I would disagree with you. And I have the evidence to support it. Let's agree that QB rating is established as an accurate tool to assess a QB's performance. If you look at QB ratings for 2015, Manziel has the best game of the year for the Browns (by far) in Week 2 against the Titans. In fact, that was the 19th best game by a Cleveland QB EVER (with 15+ attempts). Kosar had a better game on 4 occasions in his career. Vinny did it twice, as did Couch. Quinn? McCoy? Hoyer? McCown? Never.
Over the last 6 games of the season, Manziel's two games have QB ratings both above 92 (week 10 at 95.8, last week at 92.1), and those other 4 games with those other QB's were all below 90. Lowest QBratings for the year? McCown's 63.3 in Week 6, and Austin Davis' 71.2 a week ago.
As far as QB play ON THE FIELD is concerned, the evidence is pretty clear who the best option is for the Browns. The two of three wins with Manziel underscores it as well. When you consider Manziel doesn't have a single season of games (cumulative) under center, and I would think there is plenty of room for enthusiasm. At least as far as the QB position goes.
He definitely has improved.....but, to balance all the enthusiasm......his best game is still slightly "below" McCowns average for the year.....and we ALL know what so many have said about him , right?
So....with McCown, what is known as "average" and "13 year back up quality".....is consider "great"(by some) when Johnny does it...
Actually Mudfly, I would disagree with you. And I have the evidence to support it. Let's agree that QB rating is established as an accurate tool to assess a QB's performance. If you look at QB ratings for 2015, Manziel has the best game of the year for the Browns (by far) in Week 2 against the Titans. In fact, that was the 19th best game by a Cleveland QB EVER (with 15+ attempts). Kosar had a better game on 4 occasions in his career. Vinny did it twice, as did Couch. Quinn? McCoy? Hoyer? McCown? Never.
Over the last 6 games of the season, Manziel's two games have QB ratings both above 92 (week 10 at 95.8, last week at 92.1), and those other 4 games with those other QB's were all below 90. Lowest QBratings for the year? McCown's 63.3 in Week 6, and Austin Davis' 71.2 a week ago.
As far as QB play ON THE FIELD is concerned, the evidence is pretty clear who the best option is for the Browns. The two of three wins with Manziel underscores it as well. When you consider Manziel doesn't have a single season of games (cumulative) under center, and I would think there is plenty of room for enthusiasm. At least as far as the QB position goes.
Right....not putting too much stock in this argument, because passer rating is one small part or the equation.....and picking ONE game and using that as your argument doesnt work.....hell I could pick his worst game and then debate that he's the worst ever too(cause he DID have the worst game ever for a Browns QB).....
BTW....Gerome Harrison has the Browns all time best ever rushing game for a Browns running back.....whats that tell ya....cause I can tell ya it doesnt mean he's the best Browns RB ever....
Body of work is the only way to rate a player.....and Johnnys body of work is limited and divided....
Part I was terrible.......Part II is showing promise........Part III is yet to come.....
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He definitely has improved.....but, to balance all the enthusiasm......his best game is still slightly "below" McCowns average for the year.....and we ALL know what so many have said about him , right?
So....with McCown, what is known as "average" and "13 year back up quality".....is consider "great"(by some) when Johnny does it...
Actually Mudfly, I would disagree with you. And I have the evidence to support it. Let's agree that QB rating is established as an accurate tool to assess a QB's performance. If you look at QB ratings for 2015, Manziel has the best game of the year for the Browns (by far) in Week 2 against the Titans. In fact, that was the 19th best game by a Cleveland QB EVER (with 15+ attempts). Kosar had a better game on 4 occasions in his career. Vinny did it twice, as did Couch. Quinn? McCoy? Hoyer? McCown? Never.
Over the last 6 games of the season, Manziel's two games have QB ratings both above 92 (week 10 at 95.8, last week at 92.1), and those other 4 games with those other QB's were all below 90. Lowest QBratings for the year? McCown's 63.3 in Week 6, and Austin Davis' 71.2 a week ago.
As far as QB play ON THE FIELD is concerned, the evidence is pretty clear who the best option is for the Browns. The two of three wins with Manziel underscores it as well. When you consider Manziel doesn't have a single season of games (cumulative) under center, and I would think there is plenty of room for enthusiasm. At least as far as the QB position goes.
Right....not putting too much stock in this argument, because passer rating is one small part or the equation.....and picking ONE game and using that as your argument doesnt work.....hell I could pick his worst game and then debate that he's the worst ever too(cause he DID have the worst game ever for a Browns QB).....
BTW....Gerome Harrison has the Browns all time best ever rushing game for a Browns running back.....whats that tell ya....cause I can tell ya it doesnt mean he's the best Browns RB ever....
Body of work is the only way to rate a player.....and Johnnys body of work is limited and divided....
Part I was terrible.......Part II is showing promise........Part III is yet to come.....
Body of work is the only way to rate a player.....and Johnnys body of work is limited and divided....
Part I was terrible.......Part II is showing promise........Part III is yet to come.....
I do believe I detect a note of, dare I say it, HOPE!
You and Tour are starting to scare me.BTW Tour-please grade out that OL. Best blocking of the year both in running game between the tackles and in QB protection. Let us know if the TE's and RB's did well with protection as well. Sure seemed all in sync.
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I'm just glad we won
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Ag.....Ive always had hope.....and always get excited when Johnny plays.....and pray and pray that he will succeed here.....
And....Im waiting for the day that you get to stand on the table and scream at the top of your lungs...."I TOLD YA SO"...
Because...for me.....THAT will b a great day!......
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He definitely has improved.....but, to balance all the enthusiasm......his best game is still slightly "below" McCowns average for the year.....and we ALL know what so many have said about him , right?
So....with McCown, what is known as "average" and "13 year back up quality".....is consider "great"(by some) when Johnny does it...
Actually Mudfly, I would disagree with you. And I have the evidence to support it. Let's agree that QB rating is established as an accurate tool to assess a QB's performance. If you look at QB ratings for 2015, Manziel has the best game of the year for the Browns (by far) in Week 2 against the Titans. In fact, that was the 19th best game by a Cleveland QB EVER (with 15+ attempts). Kosar had a better game on 4 occasions in his career. Vinny did it twice, as did Couch. Quinn? McCoy? Hoyer? McCown? Never.
Over the last 6 games of the season, Manziel's two games have QB ratings both above 92 (week 10 at 95.8, last week at 92.1), and those other 4 games with those other QB's were all below 90. Lowest QBratings for the year? McCown's 63.3 in Week 6, and Austin Davis' 71.2 a week ago.
As far as QB play ON THE FIELD is concerned, the evidence is pretty clear who the best option is for the Browns. The two of three wins with Manziel underscores it as well. When you consider Manziel doesn't have a single season of games (cumulative) under center, and I would think there is plenty of room for enthusiasm. At least as far as the QB position goes.
Right....not putting too much stock in this argument, because passer rating is one small part or the equation.....and picking ONE game and using that as your argument doesnt work.....hell I could pick his worst game and then debate that he's the worst ever too(cause he DID have the worst game ever for a Browns QB).....
BTW....Gerome Harrison has the Browns all time best ever rushing game for a Browns running back.....whats that tell ya....cause I can tell ya it doesnt mean he's the best Browns RB ever....
Body of work is the only way to rate a player.....and Johnnys body of work is limited and divided....
Part I was terrible.......Part II is showing promise........Part III is yet to come.....
Right....not putting too much stock in this argument, because passer rating is one small part or the equation.....and picking ONE game and using that as your argument doesnt work.....hell I could pick his worst game and then debate that he's the worst ever too(cause he DID have the worst game ever for a Browns QB).....
BTW....Gerome Harrison has the Browns all time best ever rushing game for a Browns running back.....whats that tell ya....cause I can tell ya it doesnt mean he's the best Browns RB ever....
Body of work is the only way to rate a player.....and Johnnys body of work is limited and divided....
Part I was terrible.......Part II is showing promise........Part III is yet to come.....
I think we are really still in part one. He has had what? 5-6 starts? That is part one.
Once he gets past say 10 starts, then he starts into part 2. (Like where Weeden/Frye/McCoy went before him).
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Ag.....Ive always had hope.....and always get excited when Johnny plays.....and pray and pray that he will succeed here.....
And....Im waiting for the day that you get to stand on the table and scream at the top of your lungs...."I TOLD YA SO"...
Because...for me.....THAT will b a great day!......
Ag.....Ive always had hope.....and always get excited when Johnny plays.....and pray and pray that he will succeed here.....
And....Im waiting for the day that you get to stand on the table and scream at the top of your lungs...."I TOLD YA SO"...
Because...for me.....THAT will b a great day!......
I know, Mud...me too. It really crushed me when I read he screwed up a few weeks ago. I felt that 6 games would be a good chunk to really evaluate him, and let the fans enjoy a little excitement. Then when the news came in...ugh. I almost couldn't believe it. But now Manziel has 4 games, which is a quarter of the season, but it's not a great sample. I'm not trying to already make excuses for the guy, but going to Seattle, then to K.C., and then home against the Steelers who will probably need a win to get into the postseason isn't exactly the most ideal set of circumstances. I'm not saying we should only see Johnny play against teams like the 49's, but AT Seattle and K.C. is just about as tough as it gets in the entire damn league. Oh, and all three of our opponents are obviously ON FIRE right now, LOL.
Johnny isn't going to be judged (in my eyes) solely on winning or losing. It's a team game, and we're playing very tough teams. Johnny DOES have to show continued improvement, and I think he will. Avoid the silly interceptions, protect the ball (fumbles), and continue to move through the reads when time allows. As I've said before, Johnny also needs to learn when to run and gash the defense. As tough as our competition is, I'm hoping for the best!
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Yep....I think the staff can evaluate him, even if we lose or play tough teams.....weve seen Johnny against two lousy teams(Tenn & SF) and he did fine....and won.....
So....really....he just needs to continue his positive progression.....work on footwork.....protect the ball.....correct teaching points from the previous week... etc
If he does, I think it could buy him another year and possibly the nod as starter going into next season...
Or.....it could buy us a better draft pick if the Browns dont trust him enough to keep around....
The truth is, Im not sure his play is all that matters...it looks like he can play...so, will the Browns have enough faith to keep him?.....or not?.....nobody knows.....
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Dude, Tour. You are above this lame arse criticism. Come on man. Even Pett didn't care.
lol... I think I've earned at least one lame-ass critique... if in fact that's what I have here...
Zombo said:
Whenever I see this thread, I read the word "energetic" with a lisp.
... but with no "s" in the word does it sound any different?
Johnny isn't going to be judged (in my eyes) solely on winning or losing.
Agree... should be something we can all agree upon... even those that have judged McC exclusively upon his W/L record.
No doubt it's a tough stretch, but that's good. We'd learn next to nothing if we played SF three more times.
Sunday will be interesting... there's a good chance that the game's two leading rushers will be QBs.
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Yep....I think the staff can evaluate him, even if we lose or play tough teams.....weve seen Johnny against two lousy teams(Tenn & SF) and he did fine....and won.....
So....really....he just needs to continue his positive progression.....work on footwork.....protect the ball.....correct teaching points from the previous week... etc
If he does, I think it could buy him another year and possibly the nod as starter going into next season...
Or.....it could buy us a better draft pick if the Browns dont trust him enough to keep around....
The truth is, Im not sure his play is all that matters...it looks like he can play...so, will the Browns have enough faith to keep him?.....or not?.....nobody knows.....
Yep....I think the staff can evaluate him, even if we lose or play tough teams.....weve seen Johnny against two lousy teams(Tenn & SF) and he did fine....and won.....
So....really....he just needs to continue his positive progression.....work on footwork.....protect the ball.....correct teaching points from the previous week... etc
If he does, I think it could buy him another year and possibly the nod as starter going into next season...
Or.....it could buy us a better draft pick if the Browns dont trust him enough to keep around....
The truth is, Im not sure his play is all that matters...it looks like he can play...so, will the Browns have enough faith to keep him?.....or not?.....nobody knows.....
You pretty much nailed it. It's almost like his ability on the field is second to his conduct. I'm not saying he's "Josh Gordon", but Josh an excellent example of supreme talent that couldn't figure it out off the field. And it's one thing to gamble with a WR and hope he figures it out, but gambling on your QB is a different animal entirely. And if Johnny can't pull his head from ass over a damn bye week, what will he do with several months off? Ugh...
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I was always a guy who "hoped" for the best with Johnny, but I was never high on drafting him, and I didn't give him much of a chance after his troubles as a rookie. But after all the drama, the suspensions, the "incidents"...I have to say that my opinion on his skills is changing.
Johnny didn't play awesome yesterday, but what he did was prove that the moment wasn't too big for him. He was prepared, knew the cadence, and we had zero pre-snap penalties...not easy to do in Seattle, and made further difficult with Greco's injury. He was under heavy pressure, yet he didn't abandon the pocket early, and he kept his head on the receivers. He made several inaccurate throws that were dropped by sub-par receivers, but even he said that he could've thrown the ball better. The opening 15 play drive that resulted in a touchdown was a thing of beauty. I believe it was the first touchdown that Seattle had given up in their last 21 drives.
What stood out to me was the severe lack of talent surrounding our quarterback. Where is the guy that can break a tackle and get into the end zone? The player that can adjust to a ball that's not thrown perfectly? The holes for our RB to burst through when we're in the red zone?
And that's just on offense. What does Johnny look like playing along side a defense that can get the ball back on 3rd down? A defense that can generate a couple of turnovers? A defense that can force FG's instead of perpetually conceding 7?
Johnny isn't perfect, so I hope nobody out here thinks I'm proclaiming him the savior of our franchise. What I AM saying is, Johnny is getting better. He doesn't look lost out there, in fact, he looks dangerous. He has a quick release, plenty of arm for intermediate routes, and he looks quicker this year. In fact, I would argue that he doesn't run nearly enough. His accuracy wasn't great during this past game, but it was still good considering the constant pressure he was under. What I don't know, and what nobody CAN know, is whether or not Johnny can remain mature enough to avoid getting into trouble.
I don't want to trade him, I don't want to draft a QB early in 2016, and I want to build a competent team around him.
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J.Football has changed my mind, also. I don't think he will ever be Drew Brees, but with a good offensive line and good receivers, I think he can be a decent qb....especially when you need to improvise. At this point I would like to see Pettine gone, but keep Manziel.
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Regarding talent level on O, I honestly think we're set for at least a winning season/playoff push, if not superbowl, with each of these guys playing to their ability:
Thomas - HOF-in-5
Bitonio - sophomore slump?
Mack - yeah he might want out, so it's over to Erving...!
Greco - solid, unspectacular
Schwartz - as far as right tackles go, top tier; side note, a true browns success story of draft and develop
Barnidge - where did he come from?
Benjamin - not as a #1, but that's not what he's built for. Like schwartz, draft and develop
Johnson - already one of the better pass catching backs around
Gordon (suspension pending) - he's the #1 Benjamin needs, if he can get on the field consistently.
We need to either remember how to run block or find a power back who can find the holes if they're there.
Big question marks on Manziel, and depth. Another TE is needed, as Dray has shown a propensity to be a revolving door in blocking and have revolving hands when receiving.
Edit: Pryor should have caught the slant pass on the first drive. Needs work, but could be very useful.
Hartline, Hawkins & Gabriel - sure, slot guys/WR3.
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