Pope Francis Issues Decree That Jews Should Not Be Told About Salvation In Jesus Christ

Clevfan4life

meh, I say it was Odin

MLD Woody

@clevfan4life said:
meh, I say it was Odin

Odin's disregard for the environment!

Clevfan4life

lols

gftChris

@clevfan4life said:
meh, I say it was Odin

You believe it was Odin, because your viking priest tells you it was Odin. He knows it was Odin because Odin said he would do it, and Odin must be believed. Odin said so.

DieHardBrownsFan

@gftchris said:
You believe it was Odin, because your viking priest tells you it was Odin. He knows it was Odin because Odin said he would do it, and Odin must be believed. Odin said so.

Please children.

Clevfan4life

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Please children.

what was that gramps?

Clevfan4life

you want your ensure, was that it?

OldBrownsFan

@gftchris said:
You believe it was Odin, because your viking priest tells you it was Odin. He knows it was Odin because Odin said he would do it, and Odin must be believed. Odin said so.

Not a fan of Odin or anything but I like your reasoning.

MLD Woody

@oldbrownsfan said:
Not a fan of Odin or anything but I like your reasoning.

In jokingly making fun of that you make fun of yourself...

tiamat63

@oldbrownsfan said:

that is a good point, where ARE those ice giants???????????

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A casualty of global warming.

Migration, mofo. Times is tough out there.

DieHardBrownsFan

@tiamat63 said:

Migration, mofo. Times is tough out there.

Sure thing punk.

tiamat63

@diehardbrownsfan said:
Sure thing punk.

I love how all of us are having a collective laugh and you toss in something like this.

You take yourself, and your politics, far....FAR too seriously.

OldBrownsFan

@mld-woody said:
In jokingly making fun of that you make fun of yourself...

I never debated the existence of God with atheists/unbelievers before and I quickly saw before anyone else had even said anything I was using circular reasoning. I posted an article earlier that made a good case for the existence of God without using the bible but to make the case for a personal God I have to use the bible. I have to use "what the bible says". I can use archeology discoveries to prove the accuracy of bible stories such as the story about Jericho but I cannot explain a personal God without the cross and without what the bible says about salvation. If you are talking with someone who doesn't believe the bible it is an immediate stalemate.

MLD Woody

@oldbrownsfan said:

I never debated the existence of God with atheists/unbelievers before and I quickly saw before anyone else had even said anything I was using circular reasoning. I posted an article earlier that made a good case for the existence of God without using the bible but to make the case for a personal God I have to use the bible. I have to use "what the bible says". I can use archeology discoveries to prove the accuracy of bible stories such as the story about Jericho but I cannot explain a personal God without the cross and without what the bible says about salvation. If you are talking with someone who doesn't believe the bible it is an immediate stalemate.

That's fair.

can you repost the article here?

DieHardBrownsFan

@tiamat63 said:

I love how all of us are having a collective laugh and you toss in something like this.

You take yourself, and your politics, far....FAR too seriously.

Kid, you take your comments FAR too seriously. You're just a cockroach.

OldBrownsFan

@mld-woody said:

That's fair.

can you repost the article here?

This is not the article I was looking for but it is from a former atheist who became a believer in God:

http://notashamedofthegospel.com/apologetics/proof-that-god-exists/

MLD Woody

His argument really doesn't hold water. It all makes sense up until the end. Basically he says, nothing existed, then it did, so god must have done it. The reason it can't be something like the multiverse theory is that we don't have concrete evidence for it...

... ok... but where is the concrete evidence for god? You know, the thing he supposedly "proved".

You can't prove a god exists. You can show scenarios in which a god doesn't have to exist to be where we are today, but you can't prove god exists. Technically you can't prove god doesn't exist either. As we develop as a society there seems to be less and less of a need for a god though. Less things we need to explain with superstition.

calfoxwc

well, woodygaypeckerhead, you can't prove mmgw is caused by burning fossil fuels.

Really, you can't prove mmgw exists, since there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.

gftChris

@oldbrownsfan said:

This is not the article I was looking for but it is from a former atheist who became a believer in God:

http://notashamedofthegospel.com/apologetics/proof-that-god-exists/

That is some pretty bogus logic:

"By taking a look at the world around us, we can see that it was designed and created by a supreme Being."

Some people might think that, others might not. It is not an absolute truth, far from it.

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The fact that there are universal morals that we all share show that we all have a conscience, and that God is the one who wrote what is right and wrong in our hearts.

I think it's quite evident there is not a set of universal morals, even just on this board, let alone the wider world, and the as-yet-untouched tribes.

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Premise 1 – Something exists
Premise 2 – Nothing cannot create something
Conclusion – Something must have always existed

What created the something? Assuming god is outside of our universe and has existed for greater levels of eternity than we could ever experience, what took him so long to build this universe? And what is he doing at the moment? Is he just playing the sims?

There are many scientific theories of how the universe cam into existence. Not many of them that I think of start with an absolute nothing.

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You can tell me about the climate of Mars, or about Kepler-186f, and I’ll again say that there’s no concrete evidence that other life forms exist on those planets or anywhere else. - agree

On the other hand, the evidence for the Christian God is much more concrete. - wholeheartedly disagree. The evidence for a god is circumstantial at best, and circular and contradictory at worst. The evidence for life on other planets is circumstantial at best, but there's no "there must be life on other planets because the book says so and the book was written by someone from another planet, we know because the book says so" pseudo-logic involved.

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Both Hawking and Lawrence Krauss propose that it’s theoretically possible for the universe to have come from nothing using M-theory, string theory, and quantum physics to do away with God as being the creator.

However, there are major flaws to M-theory, and there are a number of respected physicists who point out these flaws.

Uh-huh, one of the proposed theories is not perfect, therefore all are irrelevant, and we can conveniently ignore the works of the greatest minds of the 21st century. Gotcha.

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I'm not going to poo-poo your personal beliefs (at least I'll try), but when you try to bring religion to a logic fight, you're going to lose.

OldBrownsFan

Here is one of the the main problems I see with being an atheist and good argument for existence of God:

Nothing Cannot Create Something

The definition of nothing is no-thing. It isn’t anything, and it doesn’t have the power to do anything.

Nothing can also be defined as the state of non-being

So as we look at the vast universe which we know had a beginning (as the bible states) the atheists will say it all came from nothing? What logic is that?