Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Then you don't recall correctly mud. I thought it was a stupid idea to put in an entirely new offense for the Cincinnati game. None of the players looked good. None of them.
Again block and tackle and run and stop the run. Any slight differences between your quarterbacks shouldn't make that much difference.
WSS
Any slight differences between your quarterbacks shouldn't make that much difference.
Problem is that the differences are not "slight" when JM is in the mix.
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Occasionally Mik- you get to see the good Ghoolie. It's a fun time. And BTW- I disagree with Zombo. The suck defense needs more help, talent, and coaching than the offense does. McCown may have put up better numbers than Manziel- but as I said- he's a backup for a reason. Doesn't pass the eye test, regardless of numbers. And he's not going to get any better. Personally, I'm tired of him standing back there like a pinata waiting, waiting, and WAITING to get busted up.
If Manziel is a backup, you build the team, and take your franchise qb last. 2016 is not shaping up to be the year.
I didn't say the the defense didn't need more help, and I didn't say McCown was the answer.
I said we need another prospect at QB with a higher ceiling than Manziel.
As far as when to take a franchise QB, you try and find one when you don't have one.
I'm of the opinion that we don't have one.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I didn't say the the defense didn't need more help, and I didn't say McCown was the answer.
I said we need another prospect at QB with a higher ceiling than Manziel.
As far as when to take a franchise QB, you try and find one when you don't have one.
I'm of the opinion that we don't have one.
Zombo
Well then, we agree about taking a quarterback next year Z. Plenty of talking heads with more football smarts than me agree with you that Johnny's ceiling isn't high enough to get it done. The question is when do the Browns pull the trigger on a qb.
You ought to know- I'm (and a bunch of other guys on this forum) are running out of "wait till next year(s)" fast. Drafting Lynch or Goff means another year or two in the dumpster ala the Jags or Titans. The fanbase is getting restless my man- VERY restless.
I'll go out on a limb and say the Browns are going to draft second. Let's posit for a moment the best of the 2016 quarterback draft class is Tannehill good. That's not good enough in my book to blow yet another first round pick on marginal talent- that may not even turn out any better than- gasp- Johnny Football ! The grass is always greener Z, and the next great thing may not turn out to be all that.
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I do hope he is ok, I don't want to see any player get a concussion.
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Browns' Manziel diagnosed with concussion; unlikely to play Sunday vs. Steelers
Dec 30 2015, 3:57 PMJoe Thomson
Cleveland Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel has been diagnosed with a concussion and is not expected to play against the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday.
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I find it funny how so many of you are ready to kick JM to the curb when so many of you were still sucking Brady Quinn off even after he was no longer a Brown, So fucking what if he likes to party, How many starts did JM have? Let him start a full season with a couple big wideouts then you can run the mouth and even then it don't matter what we think or say.
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I find it funny how so many of you are ready to kick JM to the curb when so many of you were still sucking Brady Quinn off even after he was no longer a Brown, So fucking what if he likes to party, How many starts did JM have? Let him start a full season with a couple big wideouts then you can run the mouth and even then it don't matter what we think or say.
I find it funny how so many of you are ready to kick JM to the curb when so many of you were still sucking Brady Quinn off even after he was no longer a Brown, So fucking what if he likes to party, How many starts did JM have? Let him start a full season with a couple big wideouts then you can run the mouth and even then it don't matter what we think or say.
johnny's gone....hello jerry world.....
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Does this seem fishy to anyone else?
After his latest (albeit harmless) party video? That's what i was thinking too. As much as I don't like John the person, this video is a non-story to me, but I can see Pet thinking otherwise.
After his latest (albeit harmless) party video? That's what i was thinking too. As much as I don't like John the person, this video is a non-story to me, but I can see Pet thinking otherwise.
no shit. this is like a father and rebellious son going at it...father says don't do this, but the son says fuck you , ize doin what i want to do....regardless of what you say.....dees eeez not going to work out folks...one or the other are gone, you can count on it....
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OK,....how the fucking hell did this happen?
Is this what drinking Four Loko gets you? A concussion?
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Someone needs to evaluate our doctors cause this shit is getting ridiculous.
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Does this seem fishy to anyone else?
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Seriously how many years do we have to go three qbs deep?
This year we did it with a twist.
started McCown, hurt 1st game
Quickly to Manziel
Back to Mccown when healthy
Back to Manziel when Josh hurt again.
Manziel named starter when season is lost.
Manziel fails the bye week.
Mccown starts again, injured again
Austin Davis starts
Manziel out of doghouse, starts again.
Davis starts finale when Johnny gets concussion out of nowhere.
That is 8 QB changes in 16 games folks.
Something tells me we will see Pryor too.
Zombo
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I would not be surprised if Davis plays really well against Pittsburgh. Only thingto worry about is miscommunication with wr like at Baltimore. But with the Offensive line and Running game playing at the best it has all year this could be an excellent chance to see the comparison between John and Austin.
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Actually Westside, you both made good points; but, I think mud is saying we would not have had to use another offense if we had 3 similar QBs and the Cinn game would not have been so bad. At least that is how I read it; I could be wrong.
Actually Westside, you both made good points; but, I think mud is saying we would not have had to use another offense if we had 3 similar QBs and the Cinn game would not have been so bad. At least that is how I read it; I could be wrong.
I didn't think they had to. Kyle Shanahan thought they had to. And I think it was a miscalculation.
WSS
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Any slight differences between your quarterbacks shouldn't make that much difference.
Problem is that the differences are not "slight" when JM is in the mix.
Problem is that the differences are not "slight" when JM is in the mix.
Tell you what, call me when the rest of the team blocks tackles and runs the ball.
Even your boy Hoyer looked OK on the occasions they did that. At least once in awhile.
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the offense is challenged, mentally and physically. i think in order for manziel to succeed he'd need someone like he had in college to bail him out when needed. a mike evans type hail-mary 'dream' catcher plus a more than average running game. neither are in place with the browns right now.
did manziel miss open receivers yesterday? yes. did he and this busted up offense keep us in the game until the end? yes.
now who knows maybe andy reid had pulled guys and pulled his foot from the gas pedal to keep his guys healthy..........dunno, but the browns still had a chance to win. i would have loved to have seen what would have happened if dumb fuck jennings had got out of bounds and manziel had the last chance with the ball in his hands. just saying.
the season was lost 5 games ago. i just want to know who is good enough to keep and who should be gone, from top to bottom. if haslam decides to flush the whole thing, at this point i don't give a fuck. i personally think we need to get some continuity in the organization. but no one except a select few players in my book can say they have put their hearts and souls into this team this year.
right now flip and o'neil need to go. this fixed scheme shit blows. i was so pissed that they let sheard go and look at him now as the only playmaker the pats have.....rippin it up.
I think Flip is pretty good, actually.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I think Flip is pretty good, actually.
Zombo
I'm glad someone else has noticed this. there are still a few times where you smack your forehead and say what the hell was that, but I'll take his rookie year over Manziel rookie and sophomore year every time.
Zombo said:
But you do?
Zombo
Hahahahhahahaha. And hasn't even looked at this thread since. Right now Zombo is backpeddling down the court posing the broken goose neck because he just drained it.
Manziel the reason the defense and running game have been 1000x better as of late?
He has "shown flashes" running around and escaping pressure in the pocket. But I haven't seen any flashes when it comes to making the reads, being accurate, etc.
The guy will have the cleanest pocket in the world, then instead of stepping up and making the throw like other quarterbacks he opens his body up and throws it off the back foot 3 YDs behind the receiver.
And he continues to just chuck the ball up for grabs at midfield to avoid taking a sack. I could have accepted that mistake a couple times from a rookie - but he isn't a rookie and he has done it repeatedly.
I'm sick of hearing this bullshit too. They have been piggybacking off of last years running scheme with no success. since flip made the adjustments the rushing attack run blocking and even pass blocking has been better. more of a testament to flip than to Manziel.
Zombo said:
You are back to my first excuse buffer in my first post.
We are right around 13 points per game when Manziel starts or has the majority of snaps over the past two years.
Hoyer in 2014 ... 21.3
McCown in 2015 ... 21.8
Johnny ... 13.1
Same team. Same weapons.
And I am even willing to throw 2014 out because Little Johnny forgot to practice n stuff.
But in 2015 ... 21.8 with McCown and 15.3 for Johnny
6.5 points a game.
I know you all want to give him another year, just like those that wanted to give Brady Quinn another year.
Can't you just look at him and see how far away he is and how improbable it is that he'll ever be a trusted franchise QB? I can. I'm not patting myself on the back or anything ... I don't want him to fail, I root for him like he's my son on Sundays. I even started him on playoff fantasy team down the stretch ... I'm just saying ... Can't you see it? He's got major passing issues.
We have. And now, I'm saying ... it's time to try again.
Zombo
And FYI Drew Brees and Russel Wilson will never be at the top of the Draft board for those who like to compare JM to them. You find these guys by accident basically. Like Ghoolie said we need standards. And one of them standards should be never take a qb in the draft that is shorter than 6'3".
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OK, I see where you are coming from westside; but, do you really think Manziel could have run the offense the way it was?
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