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  • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan

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    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    There would be a long queue of people willing to tip buckets of stuff over him, I'm sure. Then again, same with most politicians probably.

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      It is kind of amazing, those who hate Donald Trump hate him with a passion that makes Cals opinion of Obama seem kind.

      I feel that if he does get elected the people who are the strongest supporters will be the most disappointed. Nobody can promise prosperity like he does. And it won't be long for that reality sets in. On the other hand even more disappointed will be Bernie Sanders supporters should he sneak in. I mean even those who love him realize his utopian ideas will never ever come to pass.

      As far as Hillary, if she wins I'd expect her to be a huge target because she doesn't possess the charisma of the President or her husband.

      And charges of misogyny aren't nearly as bankable as charges of racism.

      It is funny, however, that the over-the-top hatred of Donald Trump is supposedly because he's not very civil.

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        The 'hatred' is not because he's not civil. I mean, a big part of politics is diplomacy and, well, politics, and he seems to be lacking in that. It's that his uncivil statements are more often than not demonstrably false, or just fear-mongering. His stance on issues - where he has deigned to take a stance - has been all over the place. He's inconsistent at best, and a danger to the world at worst (based on his views).

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          And back to the OP. What the New York Times did releasing an 'off the record' interview is disgusting. They would never in a billion years do something like that to Clinton or Cruz, or Rubio. The bias against him is what caused them to release this. This will actually help Trump and gain him votes because it shows the 'establishment' is against him.

          "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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            And back to the OP. What the New York Times did releasing an 'off the record' interview is disgusting. They would never in a billion years do something like that to Clinton or Cruz, or Rubio. The bias against him is what caused them to release this. This will actually help Trump and gain him votes because it shows the 'establishment' is against him.

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            @diehardbrownsfan said:

            And back to the OP. What the New York Times did releasing an 'off the record' interview is disgusting. They would never in a billion years do something like that to Clinton or Cruz, or Rubio. The bias against him is what caused them to release this. This will actually help Trump and gain him votes because it shows the 'establishment' is against him.

            We should hope that would happen but I'm afraid the worldwide Trump hatred is getting out of control.

            Look at the over the top coverage of the David Duke non-issue. Plus nobody expects the New York Times to be unbiased.

            And it's odd, those people who seem to care about issues, don't take any time to look at what Trump has actually said.

            The biggest haters are the ones who were opposed to the Iraq war, demand we stop shipping jobs overseas and love Planned Parenthood.

            Is it only the fact that people want more illegal immigrants? I can't imagine that's true.

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              John Oliver can make some cogent arguments, but this one felt like more of a character assassination attempt. 15 minutes of the video was spent attacking some aspect of Trump trolling or taking blatant advantage of US laws on his path to being a billionaire. I felt that his abortion video would have been better without the humor injected into it, too. Ironically, this will help keep him at the top of the news cycle. We need to dispel with this fiction that Donald Trump doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing.

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              @vaportrail said:

              John Oliver can make some cogent arguments, but this one felt like more of a character assassination attempt. 15 minutes of the video was spent attacking some aspect of Trump trolling or taking blatant advantage of US laws on his path to being a billionaire. I felt that his abortion video would have been better without the humor injected into it, too. Ironically, this will help keep him at the top of the news cycle. We need to dispel with this fiction that Donald Trump doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing.

              I heard a radio interview with Wanda Sykes a while ago pre-trump candidacy and someone asked her about his hair and she basically said "donald is a genius. He does this because he knows it keeps people talking about him. He knows what he's doing"

              I cant help but think of that every time someone declares trump had killed his campaign this time. He knows exactly what he's doing.

              Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                @vaportrail said:

                I felt that his abortion video would have been better without the humor injected into it, too.

                Well that's kind of the point of the show

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                @mld-woody said:

                Well that's kind of the point of the show

                Yeah, I just think that the formula's stale.

                @westside-steve said:

                It is kind of amazing, those who hate Donald Trump hate him with a passion that makes Cals opinion of Obama seem kind.

                I feel that if he does get elected the people who are the strongest supporters will be the most disappointed. Nobody can promise prosperity like he does. And it won't be long for that reality sets in. On the other hand even more disappointed will be Bernie Sanders supporters should he sneak in. I mean even those who love him realize his utopian ideas will never ever come to pass.

                As far as Hillary, if she wins I'd expect her to be a huge target because she doesn't possess the charisma of the President or her husband.

                And charges of misogyny aren't nearly as bankable as charges of racism.

                It is funny, however, that the over-the-top hatred of Donald Trump is supposedly because he's not very civil.

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                Realistically, not much will change. That said, his campaign shifted the goalposts for campaign finance, and he is single-handedly responsible for stopping the Bush dynasty in its tracks. He's making the Koch brothers, Dick Cheney, and the Bush family uneasy. Watching Fox News, HuffPo, tumblr, and facebook respond to him being elected will make whatever may happen afterwards worth it. Is a Trump presidency going to be better than the status quo? Who knows? It will definitely be entertaining, and I'm willing to roll the dice.

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                  @mld-woody said:

                  Well that's kind of the point of the show

                  Yeah, I just think that the formula's stale.

                  @westside-steve said:

                  It is kind of amazing, those who hate Donald Trump hate him with a passion that makes Cals opinion of Obama seem kind.

                  I feel that if he does get elected the people who are the strongest supporters will be the most disappointed. Nobody can promise prosperity like he does. And it won't be long for that reality sets in. On the other hand even more disappointed will be Bernie Sanders supporters should he sneak in. I mean even those who love him realize his utopian ideas will never ever come to pass.

                  As far as Hillary, if she wins I'd expect her to be a huge target because she doesn't possess the charisma of the President or her husband.

                  And charges of misogyny aren't nearly as bankable as charges of racism.

                  It is funny, however, that the over-the-top hatred of Donald Trump is supposedly because he's not very civil.

                  WSS

                  Realistically, not much will change. That said, his campaign shifted the goalposts for campaign finance, and he is single-handedly responsible for stopping the Bush dynasty in its tracks. He's making the Koch brothers, Dick Cheney, and the Bush family uneasy. Watching Fox News, HuffPo, tumblr, and facebook respond to him being elected will make whatever may happen afterwards worth it. Is a Trump presidency going to be better than the status quo? Who knows? It will definitely be entertaining, and I'm willing to roll the dice.

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                  @vaportrail said:

                  Yeah, I just think that the formula's stale.

                  Realistically, not much will change. That said, his campaign shifted the goalposts for campaign finance, and he is single-handedly responsible for stopping the Bush dynasty in its tracks. He's making the Koch brothers, Dick Cheney, and the Bush family uneasy. Watching Fox News, HuffPo, tumblr, and facebook respond to him being elected will make whatever may happen afterwards worth it. Is a Trump presidency going to be better than the status quo? Who knows? It will definitely be entertaining, and I'm willing to roll the dice.

                  That's probably true. I mean same with any other candidate the country will still be run by the same people that are running it now.

                  Frankly I'd be interested to see what happens if Trump or Sanders were able to do what they want, but the houses won't Support either of them.

                  The worst that can happen is 4 years of shit which we've had before.

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                    And ditto on the Facebook reaction. As an entertainer I probably have more Facebook friends than most but there are dozens of Trump hate posts every day.

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                      Supposing that Sanders doesn't face huge obstruction from all sides in achieving what he wants to achieve, I think in time the country would look like what it should look like and life will be better for the overwhelming majority. But that won't happen.

                      Supposing that Sanders doesn't face huge obstruction from all sides in achieving what he wants to achieve, I think in time the country would become more and more divided, by race, religion, income, gender and others.

                      That is essentially why I would vote Sanders. But we have our own big vote coming up this year.

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                        And back to the OP. What the New York Times did releasing an 'off the record' interview is disgusting. They would never in a billion years do something like that to Clinton or Cruz, or Rubio. The bias against him is what caused them to release this. This will actually help Trump and gain him votes because it shows the 'establishment' is against him.

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                        OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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                        @diehardbrownsfan said:

                        And back to the OP. What the New York Times did releasing an 'off the record' interview is disgusting. They would never in a billion years do something like that to Clinton or Cruz, or Rubio. The bias against him is what caused them to release this. This will actually help Trump and gain him votes because it shows the 'establishment' is against him.

                        I agree Diehard it is a cheap shot by the NY Times (nothing new there) to have a candidate speak off the record then leak out that there are some things Trump said off the record that would hurt his candidacy but to release the tape they would have to get Trump's permission. This defeats the whole purpose of even trusting journalists to speak off the record.

                        Anyway for me the story confirms what I believe about Trump. He is not serious with some of the claims he is making and there will be buyers remorse from some of his supporters who take him at his word in his campaign speeches.

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                          Supposing that Sanders doesn't face huge obstruction from all sides in achieving what he wants to achieve, I think in time the country would look like what it should look like and life will be better for the overwhelming majority. But that won't happen.

                          Supposing that Sanders doesn't face huge obstruction from all sides in achieving what he wants to achieve, I think in time the country would become more and more divided, by race, religion, income, gender and others.

                          That is essentially why I would vote Sanders. But we have our own big vote coming up this year.

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                          @gftchris said:

                          Supposing that Sanders doesn't face huge obstruction from all sides in achieving what he wants to achieve, I think in time the country would look like what it should look like and life will be better for the overwhelming majority. But that won't happen.

                          Supposing that Sanders doesn't face huge obstruction from all sides in achieving what he wants to achieve, I think in time the country would become more and more divided, by race, religion, income, gender and others.

                          That is essentially why I would vote Sanders. But we have our own big vote coming up this year.

                          Am I reading this wrong or are both scenarios the same except one with a bad outcome?

                          But sure if his campaign promise and his vision actually comes to pass that everyone loves each other and has a higher standard of living and free everything, and if by some unimaginable chance everyone proudly contributes to society, yes that would be nice.

                          On the other hand if trumps promise comes true and we rid the country of criminals and all workers make a living wage building things in the United States and we are winning and winning and winning that would be nice too.

                          As a matter of fact if any politicians bullshit came true it would be just dandy.

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                            Supposing that Sanders doesn't face huge obstruction from all sides in achieving what he wants to achieve, I think in time the country would look like what it should look like and life will be better for the overwhelming majority. But that won't happen.

                            Supposing that Sanders doesn't face huge obstruction from all sides in achieving what he wants to achieve, I think in time the country would become more and more divided, by race, religion, income, gender and others.

                            That is essentially why I would vote Sanders. But we have our own big vote coming up this year.

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                            @gftchris said:

                            Supposing that Sanders doesn't face huge obstruction from all sides in achieving what he wants to achieve, I think in time the country would look like what it should look like and life will be better for the overwhelming majority. But that won't happen.

                            Supposing that Sanders doesn't face huge obstruction from all sides in achieving what he wants to achieve, I think in time the country would become more and more divided, by race, religion, income, gender and others.

                            That is essentially why I would vote Sanders. But we have our own big vote coming up this year.

                            Ideologically, I align with Sanders more than any other candidate. That said, he's kind of a pussy, and his unwillingness to attack Hillary cost him his shot at the nomination. Further, the only way I can see us making universal healthcare a thing is if you slash military and public sector pensions. Unfortunately, those are two voting blocs with very high turnout.

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                              @gftchris said:

                              Supposing that Sanders doesn't face huge obstruction from all sides in achieving what he wants to achieve, I think in time the country would look like what it should look like and life will be better for the overwhelming majority. But that won't happen.

                              Supposing that Sanders doesn't face huge obstruction from all sides in achieving what he wants to achieve, I think in time the country would become more and more divided, by race, religion, income, gender and others.

                              That is essentially why I would vote Sanders. But we have our own big vote coming up this year.

                              Ideologically, I align with Sanders more than any other candidate. That said, he's kind of a pussy, and his unwillingness to attack Hillary cost him his shot at the nomination. Further, the only way I can see us making universal healthcare a thing is if you slash military and public sector pensions. Unfortunately, those are two voting blocs with very high turnout.

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                              @vaportrail said:

                              Ideologically, I align with Sanders more than any other candidate. That said, he's kind of a pussy, and his unwillingness to attack Hillary cost him his shot at the nomination. Further, the only way I can see us making universal healthcare a thing is if you slash military and public sector pensions. Unfortunately, those are two voting blocs with very high turnout.

                              I align with Sanders on a lot - but he is old as dirt and a pussy. I disagree with his stance on border security and assault weapons bans and such (I don't want the whole country to turn into NY or CT or one of those states). He'd also cost me a few thousand dollars a year more in taxes - while providing me with nothing I don't already have except maybe slightly lower student loan interest.

                              I also am not a fan of the love fest for BLM and SJWs and the PC culture.

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                                @mld-woody said:

                                Well that's kind of the point of the show

                                Yeah, I just think that the formula's stale.

                                @westside-steve said:

                                It is kind of amazing, those who hate Donald Trump hate him with a passion that makes Cals opinion of Obama seem kind.

                                I feel that if he does get elected the people who are the strongest supporters will be the most disappointed. Nobody can promise prosperity like he does. And it won't be long for that reality sets in. On the other hand even more disappointed will be Bernie Sanders supporters should he sneak in. I mean even those who love him realize his utopian ideas will never ever come to pass.

                                As far as Hillary, if she wins I'd expect her to be a huge target because she doesn't possess the charisma of the President or her husband.

                                And charges of misogyny aren't nearly as bankable as charges of racism.

                                It is funny, however, that the over-the-top hatred of Donald Trump is supposedly because he's not very civil.

                                WSS

                                Realistically, not much will change. That said, his campaign shifted the goalposts for campaign finance, and he is single-handedly responsible for stopping the Bush dynasty in its tracks. He's making the Koch brothers, Dick Cheney, and the Bush family uneasy. Watching Fox News, HuffPo, tumblr, and facebook respond to him being elected will make whatever may happen afterwards worth it. Is a Trump presidency going to be better than the status quo? Who knows? It will definitely be entertaining, and I'm willing to roll the dice.

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                                @vaportrail said:

                                Yeah, I just think that the formula's stale.

                                What formula? Comedy on a comedy show?

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                                  @vaportrail said:

                                  Yeah, I just think that the formula's stale.

                                  What formula? Comedy on a comedy show?

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                                  @mld-woody said:

                                  What formula? Comedy on a comedy show?

                                  No, the news/comedy formula that Jon Stewart mastered. Even the Colbert Report was never as good as The Daily Show when both Colbert and Carrell were anchors on it. John Oliver's show and the new Daily Show are neutered versions of what made Jon Stewart's Daily Show great.

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                                    John Oliver lacks the clout of John Stewart. Stewart would actually get Obama on the show, for example. Chances he does Last Week Tonight?

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                                      John Oliver lacks the clout of John Stewart. Stewart would actually get Obama on the show, for example. Chances he does Last Week Tonight?

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                                      @gftchris said:

                                      John Oliver lacks the clout of John Stewart. Stewart would actually get Obama on the show, for example. Chances he does Last Week Tonight?

                                      Well shit of course Obama would go on the Stewart show because he knows he's getting soft balls and a blow job.

                                      I do love Oliver even though I don't agree with everything he has to say. Same with Jon Stewart.

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                                        @gftchris said:

                                        John Oliver lacks the clout of John Stewart. Stewart would actually get Obama on the show, for example. Chances he does Last Week Tonight?

                                        Well shit of course Obama would go on the Stewart show because he knows he's getting soft balls and a blow job.

                                        I do love Oliver even though I don't agree with everything he has to say. Same with Jon Stewart.

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                                        @westside-steve said:

                                        Well shit of course Obama would go on the Stewart show because he knows he's getting soft balls and a blow job.

                                        I do love Oliver even though I don't agree with everything he has to say. Same with Jon Stewart.

                                        WSS

                                        Stewart also had republicans on there also, was just going with 'high ranking politician' rather than democrat.

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                                          @westside-steve said:

                                          Well shit of course Obama would go on the Stewart show because he knows he's getting soft balls and a blow job.

                                          I do love Oliver even though I don't agree with everything he has to say. Same with Jon Stewart.

                                          WSS

                                          Stewart also had republicans on there also, was just going with 'high ranking politician' rather than democrat.

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                                          @gftchris said:

                                          Stewart also had republicans on there also, was just going with 'high ranking politician' rather than democrat.

                                          Yes he did and I'm surprised they would bother going on his show to be ridiculed and shouted down by Stewarts left-wing audience. Oh well.

                                          Oliver does a different format.

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