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  • W Westside Steve

    So how irate are you guys going to be when Analytics boy decides to pick somebody in the third or fourth round?

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    So how irate are you guys going to be when Analytics boy decides to pick somebody in the third or fourth round?

    WSS

    And no QB in the first?

  • J joedawg69

    I will be OK with it so long as Pittsburgh does not end up with Wentz or Goff like the year we picked Wimbley and they ended up with Rothlesburger. If I have to go through another decade of Pittsburgh domination while we have another project bust taken high I am going to go crazy.

    @joedawg69 said:

    I will be OK with it so long as Pittsburgh does not end up with Wentz or Goff like the year we picked Wimbley and they ended up with Rothlesburger. If I have to go through another decade of Pittsburgh domination while we have another project bust taken high I am going to go crazy.

    Ah, No. The year the Steelers took BR was the year we took K2 in the draft. Wimbley was later.

  • If we don't take a QB @ #2, Cook might be worth a look in a later round. He wins.

    gftChrisG LogicIsForSquaresL 2 Replies
  • T TexasAg1969

    If we don't take a QB @ #2, Cook might be worth a look in a later round. He wins.

    @texasag1969 said:

    If we don't take a QB @ #2, Cook might be worth a look in a later round. He wins.

    So did Colt McCoy. College stats mean shit all.

  • T TexasAg1969

    If we don't take a QB @ #2, Cook might be worth a look in a later round. He wins.

    @texasag1969 said:

    If we don't take a QB @ #2, Cook might be worth a look in a later round. He wins.

    No thanks on Cook. Would rather take one of the project guys that at least seem like they want to be leaders (Jones/Prescott/Hogan).

    👍

  • Cook is not appealing to me, at all, in any round. I wonder if Dak Prescott will fall because of DUI. All other accounts of his character have been very good.

  • Mike HM Mike H

    Cook is not appealing to me, at all, in any round. I wonder if Dak Prescott will fall because of DUI. All other accounts of his character have been very good.

    @mike-h said:

    Cook is not appealing to me, at all, in any round. I wonder if Dak Prescott will fall because of DUI. All other accounts of his character have been very good.

    I've been hard in the Wentz camp (second gayest thing I've said here), but I wouldn't mind signing RG3 and drafting Dak, say, in the fourth or so.

    RG3 + Myles Jack (#2) + BPA EDGE/WR + Tyler Matakevich (3rd) + Joe Haeg (4th) + Dak Prescott (4th comp.) wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

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    @mike-h said:

    Cook is not appealing to me, at all, in any round. I wonder if Dak Prescott will fall because of DUI. All other accounts of his character have been very good.

    I've been hard in the Wentz camp (second gayest thing I've said here), but I wouldn't mind signing RG3 and drafting Dak, say, in the fourth or so.

    RG3 + Myles Jack (#2) + BPA EDGE/WR + Tyler Matakevich (3rd) + Joe Haeg (4th) + Dak Prescott (4th comp.) wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    I've been hard in the Wentz camp (second gayest thing I've said here), but I wouldn't mind signing RG3 and drafting Dak, say, in the fourth or so.

    RG3 + Myles Jack (#2) + BPA EDGE/WR + Tyler Matakevich (3rd) + Joe Haeg (4th) + Dak Prescott (4th comp.) wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

    I would be pretty happy with that kind of draft.

  • I dont like Matakevich as much as I did initially. I don't know what I think about Myles Jack still, have been so focused on QBs.

  • Mike HM Mike H

    I dont like Matakevich as much as I did initially. I don't know what I think about Myles Jack still, have been so focused on QBs.

    @mike-h said:

    I dont like Matakevich as much as I did initially. I don't know what I think about Myles Jack still, have been so focused on QBs.

    I think it would be invaluable to have a guy like Matakevich as a rotational/special teams player with upside. He's just one of those guys that I think are great foundational pieces - we would never be at a severe disadvantage with him rotating in just because of the fact that he's a very strong football mind.

    Granted, the third isn't really a place where you take that sort of player, but I just like most things about him and I, personally, would be willing to take him at that slot.

    Conversely, I like Jack's overall talent pool and how diverse his skillset is. I think he's a good athletic talent to take at the top of the draft.

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride
    Mike HM 1 Reply
  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    @mike-h said:

    Cook is not appealing to me, at all, in any round. I wonder if Dak Prescott will fall because of DUI. All other accounts of his character have been very good.

    I've been hard in the Wentz camp (second gayest thing I've said here), but I wouldn't mind signing RG3 and drafting Dak, say, in the fourth or so.

    RG3 + Myles Jack (#2) + BPA EDGE/WR + Tyler Matakevich (3rd) + Joe Haeg (4th) + Dak Prescott (4th comp.) wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    I've been hard in the Wentz camp (second gayest thing I've said here), but I wouldn't mind signing RG3 and drafting Dak, say, in the fourth or so.

    RG3 + Myles Jack (#2) + BPA EDGE/WR + Tyler Matakevich (3rd) + Joe Haeg (4th) + Dak Prescott (4th comp.) wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

    just pulled a draft last night rd1#2Wentz-rd 2#32 Spence-rd3#65Correa-rd4#99Lawler-rd4#138Prescott & still got Schobert in 5th but OL maybe the option..

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  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    @mike-h said:

    I dont like Matakevich as much as I did initially. I don't know what I think about Myles Jack still, have been so focused on QBs.

    I think it would be invaluable to have a guy like Matakevich as a rotational/special teams player with upside. He's just one of those guys that I think are great foundational pieces - we would never be at a severe disadvantage with him rotating in just because of the fact that he's a very strong football mind.

    Granted, the third isn't really a place where you take that sort of player, but I just like most things about him and I, personally, would be willing to take him at that slot.

    Conversely, I like Jack's overall talent pool and how diverse his skillset is. I think he's a good athletic talent to take at the top of the draft.

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    I think it would be invaluable to have a guy like Matakevich as a rotational/special teams player with upside. He's just one of those guys that I think are great foundational pieces - we would never be at a severe disadvantage with him rotating in just because of the fact that he's a very strong football mind.

    Granted, the third isn't really a place where you take that sort of player, but I just like most things about him and I, personally, would be willing to take him at that slot.

    Conversely, I like Jack's overall talent pool and how diverse his skillset is. I think he's a good athletic talent to take at the top of the draft.

    I agree Rd 3 is too early for Matakevich. I'd rather take Morrison on Day 3. I think he has starter, every-down potential.

    Have only watched one game of Jack so far. They used him as a pass-rusher more than I thought they would... still don't see it.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @tour2ma said:

    Gruden (or Jaws?) had an interesting take on Cardale today...

    "Cardale Jones is not a pro prospect. He is a pro project."

    OK, how do you interpret that?

    @the-gipper said:

    OK, how do you interpret that?

    Cardale is years away from being functional at the NFL level.

    @mike-h said:

    I wonder if Dak Prescott will fall because of DUI. All other accounts of his character have been very good.

    FWIW... DraftScouts just dropped his projection from R3 to R4.

    @mike-h said:

    Have only watched one game of Jack so far. They used him as a pass-rusher more than I thought they would... still don't see it.

    Agree... you have to extrapolate to "see" any edge rush impact. One college sack, three-years ago demands that...

    But when you see his coverage ability and his slashing TFL plays, it's not hard to imagine a dozen per year in the right scheme of delays and loops.

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  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    @mike-h said:

    Cook is not appealing to me, at all, in any round. I wonder if Dak Prescott will fall because of DUI. All other accounts of his character have been very good.

    I've been hard in the Wentz camp (second gayest thing I've said here), but I wouldn't mind signing RG3 and drafting Dak, say, in the fourth or so.

    RG3 + Myles Jack (#2) + BPA EDGE/WR + Tyler Matakevich (3rd) + Joe Haeg (4th) + Dak Prescott (4th comp.) wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    I've been hard in the Wentz camp (second gayest thing I've said here), but I wouldn't mind signing RG3 and drafting Dak, say, in the fourth or so.

    RG3 + Myles Jack (#2) + BPA EDGE/WR + Tyler Matakevich (3rd) + Joe Haeg (4th) + Dak Prescott (4th comp.) wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

    What was the gayest?

  • W wargograw

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    I've been hard in the Wentz camp (second gayest thing I've said here), but I wouldn't mind signing RG3 and drafting Dak, say, in the fourth or so.

    RG3 + Myles Jack (#2) + BPA EDGE/WR + Tyler Matakevich (3rd) + Joe Haeg (4th) + Dak Prescott (4th comp.) wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

    What was the gayest?

    @wargograw said:

    What was the gayest?

    Ghoolie's name

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride
  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    @wargograw said:

    What was the gayest?

    Ghoolie's name

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Ghoolie's name

    I was wondering who was going to set you up...

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  • MKC looking to break this poor boy's heart...

    Hue Jackson raves about Jared Goff and tells Robert Griffin III to be ready to compete with a top pick

    By Mary Kay Cabot, Cleveland.com on March 22, 2016 at 12:38 PM, updated March 22, 2016 at 5:03 PM

    He had more to say about Goff than Wentz, probably because he just attended Goff's Pro Day Friday at Cal, and has recently spent private time with Goff and his family. He'll attend Wentz Pro Day at North Dakota State on Thursday.

    "The guy threw the ball tremendously,'' said Jackson, a former Cal assistant and finalist for their head coach job in 2011. "He can make all the throws. For a big guy, he's more athletic than people think. He has quick feet. He obviously has a quick release. What I've seen on videotape to go along with the workout is he has tremendous poise in the pocket. He's a young man that can keep his eyes downfield when people are bearing at him and, to me, that's an unbelievable asset. Because a lot of people can't do that."

    Goff also passed one of Jackson's biggest criteria for a quarterback: guts.

    "His back foot, he digs it in the ground to throw the ball, where some people have a soft back foot because they're afraid to get hit,'' he said. "He's not like that. He likes to play. The guy's a gym rat. He comes early and stays late. He's been in a situation before where he had to be a part of what I call a reboot, not a rebuild as everyone wants to call it – so he has that, and that part of it I like about him. And he's a Cal Golden Bear."

    He acknowledged that he's spent a lot of extra time with Goff, who turned the program around from 1-11 as a freshman to 8-5 last year, including a bowl win over Air Force.

    "I've spent quite a bit of private time with him,'' he said. "I won't say when, but I have. I've gotten to know him and his family very well. We're going to do everything that we can to find out about these young men because it's a big decision as you know. This is not something where 'OK, give me that one.' We have to get this right."

    And there's more in the full article...

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/03/hue_jackson_raves_about_jared.html#incart_most-commented_browns_article

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  • When I watch both Goff and Wentz throw the ball, my eyes tell me that Goff is the more talented thrower. He doesn't seem to work as hard to get the ball out of his hand, and his throwing motion is elegant. Goff also has extraordinary touch on the ball, and displayed more "drop it in the bucket" throws than just about anybody last year.

    Wentz most certainly has his attributes as well, and this is a rare situation when I find myself not really caring which one we take. My only hope is that one of the two QB's in the conversation is actually WORTH the second pick of the draft. Somebody much smarter than me has to make that call, but I do know that neither Goff or Wentz are as talented as Winston or Mariota from last year. Obviously that's completely debatable, but that's what I see. Mariota had some real stinkers last year, but displayed tremendous grit and had a few outstanding games. Winston (my FSU boy!), was rookie of the year, and maybe struggled with accuracy a bit and turnovers (especially in red zone...he missed a lot of TD's), but virtually ALL rookies go through that. Winston's ceiling is ridiculous, and his "off the field issues" proved to be a non-factor.

  • I'm happy that the sentiment has changed and it no longer seems like we're a lock for Wentz.

    Mike HM 1 Reply

  • Why do you think the sentiment has changed? Of course they are commenting on Goff,

    he was terrific at his pro day.

    Wentz hasn't had his pro day. I believe it's tomorrow. And nobody is a "lock". Neither Goff nor Wentz

    has never been a "lock".

    The only lock, is that I would draft Wentz at 2, absolutely, no doubt about it, take it to the bank.

    Goff is a terrific college qb, but so is Wentz. I just think Goff isn't a fit for the Browns, personality wise.

    I guess the biggest reason I'm all in on Wentz for the Browns... is that, like I've told Canton Mike and maybe

    Flugels... Goff's personality reminds me of Jay Cutler. Old Shepsies had lovesies for Jay Cutler.

    Wentz's personality is the anti-Jay Cutler, and that's a great thing.

    so, I just and searched, and amazingly, lol... I'm not the only observer that thinks it.

    Seriously, I just lol'd when I found this:

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25527291/an-nfc-scout-is-not-big-on-jared-goff-to-me-hes-another-jay-cutler

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