RG3 set to be a Brown ?
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VesnaKociper said:
Another black Fran Tarkenton. Garbage QB, total garbage. If he comes to Cleveland I will root for him to get fucked up bad.
I will take 3 Super Bowl appearances....which is what Fran Tarkenton had....and I will take my chances on winning at least one of those. (though...I know, Tark won none)
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I understand kicking the tires, but Kaep and RGIII are a NO in my book.
Not seein it. I know that the Browns gave up a lot of sacks, etc, but
that's because they didn't have dangerous wr's, so they could just
cover Benjamin on the fly, and double Barnidge...
and all out blitz and rush the qb, and the run. The qb can't beat the rush
if he has no one to throw to.
Fix the wr position. Forget the veteran fa qb thing. Draft Wentz.
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so we don't take a qb in the draft?...because if we grab rg3, there is no sense to draft a qb and have him sit on the bench...because mccown will be the backup...so that would put the drafted qb as 3rd string probably...do we really want to put everything on the line with an injury prone head case qb as our starter...i don't know about this....would make me quite nervous...
We can still draft whoever we want.
We aren't making any decisions based on McCown. He's old and Hue is going reshape the position.
Griffin would be the presumed started on a short contract and we could easily still draft the QB we like best to develop without having to start him right away.
Z
Zombo said:
We can still draft whoever we want.
We aren't making any decisions based on McCown. He's old and Hue is going reshape the position.
Griffin would be the presumed started on a short contract and we could easily still draft the QB we like best to develop without having to start him right away.
Z
yeah but suppose the qb we draft beats rg3 out in preseason but still sits on the bench...they way this league is now these kids coming out of college want to play and play right away...and some of them deserve to play right away...and i don't like the idea picking up a qb with multiple knee surgeries to begin with...you are 1 more injury away from retirement with this guy and with a new ol, it could happen the first game...draft the youngster and let him see what he can do...that is the way i'd go...
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Regardless who I want as QB (I'm for Goff or Wentz), I like the fact that they haven't jumped out & made a desperation move to sign the 1st one who agreed to come for a visit. That's how the OLD Browns did business..."Oh, you showed up for the interview? You're hired!"
If nothing else, these guys aren't overreacting. They are weighing vets vs rookies & they'll decide when the time is right to make the choice(s).
As I said, I like the kids in the draft, but I'm just a Fan with no business dictating who we chose, so I'll certainly support the Pros decisions.
Mike
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Regardless who I want as QB (I'm for Goff or Wentz), I like the fact that they haven't jumped out & made a desperation move to sign the 1st one who agreed to come for a visit. That's how the OLD Browns did business..."Oh, you showed up for the interview? You're hired!"
If nothing else, these guys aren't overreacting. They are weighing vets vs rookies & they'll decide when the time is right to make the choice(s).
As I said, I like the kids in the draft, but I'm just a Fan with no business dictating who we chose, so I'll certainly support the Pros decisions.
Mike
Regardless who I want as QB (I'm for Goff or Wentz), I like the fact that they haven't jumped out & made a desperation move to sign the 1st one who agreed to come for a visit. That's how the OLD Browns did business..."Oh, you showed up for the interview? You're hired!"
If nothing else, these guys aren't overreacting. They are weighing vets vs rookies & they'll decide when the time is right to make the choice(s).
As I said, I like the kids in the draft, but I'm just a Fan with no business dictating who we chose, so I'll certainly support the Pros decisions.
Mike
well put...i agree one hundred percent...maybe things will finally change here...
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UPDATES, BUT CONSIDER THE SOURCE GUYS.......
Zombo's take is making a lot of sense now- RG doesn't cost a draft pick, and he's gonna be way cheaper that Kap. Lowball with incentives sounds right. Ghoolie has already weighed in with his opinion. My feeling- if Hue thinks he may use Pryor in a WildDawg role part time, it would mean we have 5-1\2 quarterbacks on the roster come OTAs assuming we sign Griffin, and draft either Goff or Wentz.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/03/robert_griffin_iii_has_convinc.html
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Robert Griffin III has convinced Hue Jackson he's 'humbled' and has 'taken responsibility' for Washington debacle
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Robert Griffin III has convinced Hue Jackson he's 'humbled' and has 'taken responsibility' for Washington debacle
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yeah, if he handles kids like he handles the guitar...............
DOH!!!
he's a nibbler.
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yeah, if he handles kids like he handles the guitar...............
DOH!!!
he's a nibbler.
yeah, if he handles kids like he handles the guitar...............
DOH!!!
he's a nibbler.
He was "writing a book". Likely one handed.....
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I'm listening to the radio show, and what they're saying is that it appears our management and coaches are not high on McCown, and he might be let go. McCown either has no guaranteed money, or very little (they didn't know), and cutting him wouldn't hurt our team financially. Honestly, this is something I never even considered given that McCown did pretty well last year, and especially well when you consider the lack of offensive talent we had at WR.
I'm not sure how I feel about this. I think it's safe to say our OL will take a step backwards next year, and do you really want an old QB playing behind a leaky line? If you're McCown, do YOU really want to play that way? Our franchise is obviously making a pretty drastic "youth movement" right now, and given that philosophy, it kind of makes sense that McCown will be let go. What I see happening is us taking a QB at #2, AND signing RG III. I believe Hue Jackson will want the rookie to start, with RG III backing him up.
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I'm listening to the radio show, and what they're saying is that it appears our management and coaches are not high on McCown, and he might be let go. McCown either has no guaranteed money, or very little (they didn't know), and cutting him wouldn't hurt our team financially. Honestly, this is something I never even considered given that McCown did pretty well last year, and especially well when you consider the lack of offensive talent we had at WR.
I'm not sure how I feel about this. I think it's safe to say our OL will take a step backwards next year, and do you really want an old QB playing behind a leaky line? If you're McCown, do YOU really want to play that way? Our franchise is obviously making a pretty drastic "youth movement" right now, and given that philosophy, it kind of makes sense that McCown will be let go. What I see happening is us taking a QB at #2, AND signing RG III. I believe Hue Jackson will want the rookie to start, with RG III backing him up.
I'm listening to the radio show, and what they're saying is that it appears our management and coaches are not high on McCown, and he might be let go. McCown either has no guaranteed money, or very little (they didn't know), and cutting him wouldn't hurt our team financially. Honestly, this is something I never even considered given that McCown did pretty well last year, and especially well when you consider the lack of offensive talent we had at WR.
I'm not sure how I feel about this. I think it's safe to say our OL will take a step backwards next year, and do you really want an old QB playing behind a leaky line? If you're McCown, do YOU really want to play that way? Our franchise is obviously making a pretty drastic "youth movement" right now, and given that philosophy, it kind of makes sense that McCown will be let go. What I see happening is us taking a QB at #2, AND signing RG III. I believe Hue Jackson will want the rookie to start, with RG III backing him up.
Well, we just put analytics guys in charge and brought in a QB guru who specializes in young QBs ... so I think that should tell you where a 37 year old career backup stands.
I like the guy. He plays with heart and he still has a live arm. Good locker room guy. But he was a placeholder/mentor for Johnny ... he goes down with Johnny just like everyone else did. New guys will start clean at the QB position.
Zombo
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what's all this BS about mccown? hue and the rest of the staff should feel lucky they have him on the roster. if he were to be let go i guarantee a bigger response to his being cut than there is with RG3. at least mccown is proven he can play at this level. only thing RG3 has proven is that his college game (ala manziel) does not translate to the NFL, and that he gets hurt.
i'll take mccown all day long over that bust from DC.
i mean if you're hue jackson and you are looking to draft the QB of the future for cleveland, do you want to spend your time trying to correct RG3's game AND teach a rookie? or would you rather give the ball to some guy who's been around and knows what to do with the ball (don't run or dive josh!!)?
wait, let me open up this fortune cookie and let's see what analytics/confuscious says.
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what's all this BS about mccown? hue and the rest of the staff should feel lucky they have him on the roster. if he were to be let go i guarantee a bigger response to his being cut than there is with RG3. at least mccown is proven he can play at this level. only thing RG3 has proven is that his college game (ala manziel) does not translate to the NFL, and that he gets hurt.
i'll take mccown all day long over that bust from DC.
i mean if you're hue jackson and you are looking to draft the QB of the future for cleveland, do you want to spend your time trying to correct RG3's game AND teach a rookie? or would you rather give the ball to some guy who's been around and knows what to do with the ball (don't run or dive josh!!)?
wait, let me open up this fortune cookie and let's see what analytics/confuscious says.
what's all this BS about mccown? hue and the rest of the staff should feel lucky they have him on the roster. if he were to be let go i guarantee a bigger response to his being cut than there is with RG3. at least mccown is proven he can play at this level. only thing RG3 has proven is that his college game (ala manziel) does not translate to the NFL, and that he gets hurt.
i'll take mccown all day long over that bust from DC.
i mean if you're hue jackson and you are looking to draft the QB of the future for cleveland, do you want to spend your time trying to correct RG3's game AND teach a rookie? or would you rather give the ball to some guy who's been around and knows what to do with the ball (don't run or dive josh!!)?
wait, let me open up this fortune cookie and let's see what analytics/confuscious says.
Mik...I don't think you're wrong at all, but I get the feeling that we're going young, and we're going quickly. I agree with you, and I think McCown is probably by far the most talented of anybody available at this point, but I'm really thinking we draft a young QB at 2, and that kid starts day 1 with RG III backing him up.
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what's all this BS about mccown? hue and the rest of the staff should feel lucky they have him on the roster. if he were to be let go i guarantee a bigger response to his being cut than there is with RG3. at least mccown is proven he can play at this level. only thing RG3 has proven is that his college game (ala manziel) does not translate to the NFL, and that he gets hurt.
i'll take mccown all day long over that bust from DC.
i mean if you're hue jackson and you are looking to draft the QB of the future for cleveland, do you want to spend your time trying to correct RG3's game AND teach a rookie? or would you rather give the ball to some guy who's been around and knows what to do with the ball (don't run or dive josh!!)?
wait, let me open up this fortune cookie and let's see what analytics/confuscious says.
Mik...I don't think you're wrong at all, but I get the feeling that we're going young, and we're going quickly. I agree with you, and I think McCown is probably by far the most talented of anybody available at this point, but I'm really thinking we draft a young QB at 2, and that kid starts day 1 with RG III backing him up.
Mik...I don't think you're wrong at all, but I get the feeling that we're going young, and we're going quickly. I agree with you, and I think McCown is probably by far the most talented of anybody available at this point, but I'm really thinking we draft a young QB at 2, and that kid starts day 1 with RG III backing him up.
i think we draft QB @2 as well....... i don't know if he'd start though. that depends on what he looks like in TC and if the coaching staff thinks it's the best thing. don't understand the rip roar RG3 is making around here. didn't we draft a bust that same draft (TR)? i would think people would want to sweep away all thoughts of that draft and the biggest bust of them all out the window and out of their minds. if the FO thinks RG3 is worth something to this team then get rid of shaw and put him at three. don't think anyone is going to take this team to a playoff run this year so whoever it is starting is just going in to learn or get killed. however you want to look at the glass, half full or half empty.
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He's the type of low risk, high reward signing that would make sense for an analytic-driven FO.
His injury concerns are...concerning (for lack of a better word). But, say he were to start six games, do mildly well, then get injured. How would we be any worse off than we currently are? We'd then be trotting out McCown, which is acceptable to many in here already.
The only way I see this RG3 + 2nd overall QB working is if Hue truly wants this QB to sit....so he puts two people between the rookie and the field.
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Rg3 would be no more than a bridge qb and he knows it up front. They hope to get 10-16 games outa him and not really more. Mcown will be 37 in july and is quite injury prone. Broken collarbone, ribs and head last year. He was brought in as a bridge qb too. They will trade him if rg3 signs. They do not want to start their drafted qb until he gets coached up. That will be the hc job and not rg3s. He gets a shot until the kid is readier. Nothing more.
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I'm listening to the radio show, and what they're saying is that it appears our management and coaches are not high on McCown, and he might be let go. McCown either has no guaranteed money, or very little (they didn't know), and cutting him wouldn't hurt our team financially. Honestly, this is something I never even considered given that McCown did pretty well last year, and especially well when you consider the lack of offensive talent we had at WR.
I'm not sure how I feel about this. I think it's safe to say our OL will take a step backwards next year, and do you really want an old QB playing behind a leaky line? If you're McCown, do YOU really want to play that way? Our franchise is obviously making a pretty drastic "youth movement" right now, and given that philosophy, it kind of makes sense that McCown will be let go. What I see happening is us taking a QB at #2, AND signing RG III. I believe Hue Jackson will want the rookie to start, with RG III backing him up.
Well, we just put analytics guys in charge and brought in a QB guru who specializes in young QBs ... so I think that should tell you where a 37 year old career backup stands.
I like the guy. He plays with heart and he still has a live arm. Good locker room guy. But he was a placeholder/mentor for Johnny ... he goes down with Johnny just like everyone else did. New guys will start clean at the QB position.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Well, we just put analytics guys in charge and brought in a QB guru who specializes in young QBs ... so I think that should tell you where a 37 year old career backup stands.
I like the guy. He plays with heart and he still has a live arm. Good locker room guy. But he was a placeholder/mentor for Johnny ... he goes down with Johnny just like everyone else did. New guys will start clean at the QB position.
Zombo
Not to mention the quarterbacks Hue Jackson has recently been enamored by. Don't forget he has already damned Josh McCown with faint praise.
I would be surprised to see him remain on the roster.
WSS
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Is it possible that we are setting up a back-up to reflect our drafted QB's skillset?
- If Wentz, then an RG (or CK) signing would seem to do that.
- If Goff, then sticking with McC would seem to make sense.
I've really started to enjoy former TB GM, Mark Dominik's comments on NFL Insiders... particularly when he starts laying out his sales pitch to a FA.
For RG3 he said he'd push hard on the line of a one-year deal to resurrect his career under the tutelage of one of the NFL's better QB minds, Hue, while our future QB is polished in the wings for 2017. When we say thanks and part ways with RG wishing him luck.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
10.5" at least.
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