RG3 set to be a Brown ?
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Why?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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lol... sorry, the "Why?" was meant for another... but since you replied...
The risk of our "losing" a Pro Bowl season is part of the package to benefit the player. It makes us/ our offer a great deal more attractive.
Personally I'd be fine with a one and done deal. I simply would not want to put our future QB on hold for another season... the future we draft at #2 this year.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I do believe that the Browns need a veteran presence at QB. If they sign RG and draft a QB at #2 or later, we still need that veteran presence....even in a backup role. Having RG, Shaw, Davis, draft pick, plus even Pryor as WR/Emergency QB...does not give us that presence.
Pryor has to make it as a WR. Shaw/Davis likely ultimately expendable. Having RG initially as starter McCown as backup, plus rookie plus Pryor as only Emergency backup seems to me to be the way to go with our ultimate QB plan.
I do believe that the Browns need a veteran presence at QB.
Why?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
lol... sorry, the "Why?" was meant for another... but since you replied...
The risk of our "losing" a Pro Bowl season is part of the package to benefit the player. It makes us/ our offer a great deal more attractive.
Personally I'd be fine with a one and done deal. I simply would not want to put our future QB on hold for another season... the future we draft at #2 this year.
lol... sorry, the "Why?" was meant for another... but since you replied...
The risk of our "losing" a Pro Bowl season is part of the package to benefit the player. It makes us/ our offer a great deal more attractive.
Personally I'd be fine with a one and done deal. I simply would not want to put our future QB on hold for another season... the future we draft at #2 this year.
Oh, I completely agree. The future won't be found in FA.
But my worry is that we draft the future, then ride the hot hand, which pisses off the future, so we trade the future thinking that we can ride the hot hand to the SB, then the hot hand cools and we're stuck without a QB...again.
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Report: Teams expect Browns to sign RG3
Mar 23 2016, 8:05 AMDavid P. Woods
It appears increasingly likely that Robert Griffin III will soon be a member of the Cleveland Browns.
A day after ESPN's Adam Schefter said the Browns are "definitely interested" in signing the former Washington Redskins passer, FOX Sports' Jay Glazer reported Wednesday that the prevailing feeling among NFL coaches and executives is that Griffin and the Browns will eventually reach a deal.
The Browns are said to be doing due diligence and digging deep into Griffin's eventful time with the Redskins to determine if he's a personality fit for new head coach Hue Jackson.
Jackson worked alongside Redskins head coach Jay Gruden with the Cincinnati Bengals, so it's likely the Browns will be able to use that connection to get the complete story of why Griffin's time in the nation's capital turned sour.
If the Browns are convinced there's nothing to Griffin's nature that makes it likely his time in Cleveland would end the same way, a deal could be struck.
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lol... sorry, the "Why?" was meant for another... but since you replied...
The risk of our "losing" a Pro Bowl season is part of the package to benefit the player. It makes us/ our offer a great deal more attractive.
Personally I'd be fine with a one and done deal. I simply would not want to put our future QB on hold for another season... the future we draft at #2 this year.
Oh, I completely agree. The future won't be found in FA.
But my worry is that we draft the future, then ride the hot hand, which pisses off the future, so we trade the future thinking that we can ride the hot hand to the SB, then the hot hand cools and we're stuck without a QB...again.
But my worry is that we draft the future, then ride the hot hand, which pisses off the future, so we trade the future thinking that we can ride the hot hand to the SB, then the hot hand cools and we're stuck without a QB...again.
lmao... Starting to get the feeling your outlook is a tad on the jaded side...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I do believe that the Browns need a veteran presence at QB.
Why?
Why?
Because, like I said...it is a veteran presence. A fairly steady hand to turn to if things go wrong...or if someone is hurt.
You go into the season with the fragile RGIII...and he is backed up only by untested Shaw/Davis/rookie QB? Sure, it can be done....but wouldn't it be better to have McCown to turn to. RG isn't that old or experienced. Even if he is playing he could use his backup/player coach there next to him. Sure, he would have an OC and a QB coach and an HC etc......but this would help him, help the rookie, help the team.
How much is McCown costing? Not that much I don't think.
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But my worry is that we draft the future, then ride the hot hand, which pisses off the future, so we trade the future thinking that we can ride the hot hand to the SB, then the hot hand cools and we're stuck without a QB...again.
lmao... Starting to get the feeling your outlook is a tad on the jaded side...
lmao... Starting to get the feeling your outlook is a tad on the jaded side...
Maybe a bit.
The upside potential is great and I have been quietly voicing my support for RG3 for more than a few seasons. Do I like RG3 as a prospect more than Wentz? I'm not sure.
I wonder if Sashi thinks that we can trade back from #2 to somewhere in the early teens and still conceivably nab Wentz, and RG3 is more of a hedging of his bets than anything else. Granted, I don't really see who would trade up, nor what they would trade up for, but I wonder if that scenario has been thrown out.
Time to come up with another far fetched scenario...
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I'm listening to the radio show, and what they're saying is that it appears our management and coaches are not high on McCown, and he might be let go. McCown either has no guaranteed money, or very little (they didn't know), and cutting him wouldn't hurt our team financially. Honestly, this is something I never even considered given that McCown did pretty well last year, and especially well when you consider the lack of offensive talent we had at WR.
I'm not sure how I feel about this. I think it's safe to say our OL will take a step backwards next year, and do you really want an old QB playing behind a leaky line? If you're McCown, do YOU really want to play that way? Our franchise is obviously making a pretty drastic "youth movement" right now, and given that philosophy, it kind of makes sense that McCown will be let go. What I see happening is us taking a QB at #2, AND signing RG III. I believe Hue Jackson will want the rookie to start, with RG III backing him up.
I'm listening to the radio show, and what they're saying is that it appears our management and coaches are not high on McCown, and he might be let go. McCown either has no guaranteed money, or very little (they didn't know), and cutting him wouldn't hurt our team financially. Honestly, this is something I never even considered given that McCown did pretty well last year, and especially well when you consider the lack of offensive talent we had at WR.
I'm not sure how I feel about this. I think it's safe to say our OL will take a step backwards next year, and do you really want an old QB playing behind a leaky line? If you're McCown, do YOU really want to play that way? Our franchise is obviously making a pretty drastic "youth movement" right now, and given that philosophy, it kind of makes sense that McCown will be let go. What I see happening is us taking a QB at #2, AND signing RG III. I believe Hue Jackson will want the rookie to start, with RG III backing him up.
they didn't look at sportrac? McCown only has $1 million guaranteed this year.
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I'm listening to the radio show, and what they're saying is that it appears our management and coaches are not high on McCown, and he might be let go. McCown either has no guaranteed money, or very little (they didn't know), and cutting him wouldn't hurt our team financially. Honestly, this is something I never even considered given that McCown did pretty well last year, and especially well when you consider the lack of offensive talent we had at WR.
I'm not sure how I feel about this. I think it's safe to say our OL will take a step backwards next year, and do you really want an old QB playing behind a leaky line? If you're McCown, do YOU really want to play that way? Our franchise is obviously making a pretty drastic "youth movement" right now, and given that philosophy, it kind of makes sense that McCown will be let go. What I see happening is us taking a QB at #2, AND signing RG III. I believe Hue Jackson will want the rookie to start, with RG III backing him up.
they didn't look at sportrac? McCown only has $1 million guaranteed this year.
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lmao... Starting to get the feeling your outlook is a tad on the jaded side...
Maybe a bit.
The upside potential is great and I have been quietly voicing my support for RG3 for more than a few seasons. Do I like RG3 as a prospect more than Wentz? I'm not sure.
I wonder if Sashi thinks that we can trade back from #2 to somewhere in the early teens and still conceivably nab Wentz, and RG3 is more of a hedging of his bets than anything else. Granted, I don't really see who would trade up, nor what they would trade up for, but I wonder if that scenario has been thrown out.
Time to come up with another far fetched scenario...
Maybe a bit.
The upside potential is great and I have been quietly voicing my support for RG3 for more than a few seasons. Do I like RG3 as a prospect more than Wentz? I'm not sure.
I wonder if Sashi thinks that we can trade back from #2 to somewhere in the early teens and still conceivably nab Wentz, and RG3 is more of a hedging of his bets than anything else. Granted, I don't really see who would trade up, nor what they would trade up for, but I wonder if that scenario has been thrown out.
Time to come up with another far fetched scenario...
I don't think that the trade down scenario is thrown out at all. I think it may be enhanced. So say the Browns get RG. To me, that sends a signal that they may not in fact be taking a QB at #2.....but other teams may want to climb up there and be the first to grab one of those QBs. Dallas maybe, Rams, 49ers.
Other than Cowboys I am not sure what we could get from them.....but the Redskins with RG kinda set the market bar, no? Three first round picks?
If draft picks are the gold standard by which our analytics guys play....then that could be a treasure trove for them.
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I'm listening to the radio show, and what they're saying is that it appears our management and coaches are not high on McCown, and he might be let go. McCown either has no guaranteed money, or very little (they didn't know), and cutting him wouldn't hurt our team financially. Honestly, this is something I never even considered given that McCown did pretty well last year, and especially well when you consider the lack of offensive talent we had at WR.
I'm not sure how I feel about this. I think it's safe to say our OL will take a step backwards next year, and do you really want an old QB playing behind a leaky line? If you're McCown, do YOU really want to play that way? Our franchise is obviously making a pretty drastic "youth movement" right now, and given that philosophy, it kind of makes sense that McCown will be let go. What I see happening is us taking a QB at #2, AND signing RG III. I believe Hue Jackson will want the rookie to start, with RG III backing him up.
they didn't look at sportrac? McCown only has $1 million guaranteed this year.
they didn't look at sportrac? McCown only has $1 million guaranteed this year.
And Ergo keeping McCown would by no means hurt them this year.
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And Ergo keeping McCown would by no means hurt them this year.
Totally agree....... No matter who we sign and/or draft. Josh had better be on the team.
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I'm listening to the radio show, and what they're saying is that it appears our management and coaches are not high on McCown, and he might be let go. McCown either has no guaranteed money, or very little (they didn't know), and cutting him wouldn't hurt our team financially. Honestly, this is something I never even considered given that McCown did pretty well last year, and especially well when you consider the lack of offensive talent we had at WR.
I'm not sure how I feel about this. I think it's safe to say our OL will take a step backwards next year, and do you really want an old QB playing behind a leaky line? If you're McCown, do YOU really want to play that way? Our franchise is obviously making a pretty drastic "youth movement" right now, and given that philosophy, it kind of makes sense that McCown will be let go. What I see happening is us taking a QB at #2, AND signing RG III. I believe Hue Jackson will want the rookie to start, with RG III backing him up.
I believe Hue Jackson will want the rookie to start, with RG III backing him up.
I'm seeing lots of posts like this one, but see the link below:
http://espn.go.com/b...ew-browns-order:
Jackson talks effusively of RG3 and Jared Goff as possible solutions at QB -
Sorry about the previous post. I thought I read somewhere that he will start RG3 and let the #2 sit and learn.
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Maybe a bit.
The upside potential is great and I have been quietly voicing my support for RG3 for more than a few seasons. Do I like RG3 as a prospect more than Wentz? I'm not sure.
I wonder if Sashi thinks that we can trade back from #2 to somewhere in the early teens and still conceivably nab Wentz, and RG3 is more of a hedging of his bets than anything else. Granted, I don't really see who would trade up, nor what they would trade up for, but I wonder if that scenario has been thrown out.
Time to come up with another far fetched scenario...
I don't think that the trade down scenario is thrown out at all. I think it may be enhanced. So say the Browns get RG. To me, that sends a signal that they may not in fact be taking a QB at #2.....but other teams may want to climb up there and be the first to grab one of those QBs. Dallas maybe, Rams, 49ers.
Other than Cowboys I am not sure what we could get from them.....but the Redskins with RG kinda set the market bar, no? Three first round picks?
If draft picks are the gold standard by which our analytics guys play....then that could be a treasure trove for them.
I don't think that the trade down scenario is thrown out at all. I think it may be enhanced. So say the Browns get RG. To me, that sends a signal that they may not in fact be taking a QB at #2.....but other teams may want to climb up there and be the first to grab one of those QBs. Dallas maybe, Rams, 49ers.
Other than Cowboys I am not sure what we could get from them.....but the Redskins with RG kinda set the market bar, no? Three first round picks?
If draft picks are the gold standard by which our analytics guys play....then that could be a treasure trove for them.
I should have said "thrown around", not "thrown out". An RG3 signing, to me, points to us trying to move back and gain some picks, while still getting one of the top two QB's.
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Maybe a bit.
The upside potential is great and I have been quietly voicing my support for RG3 for more than a few seasons. Do I like RG3 as a prospect more than Wentz? I'm not sure.
I wonder if Sashi thinks that we can trade back from #2 to somewhere in the early teens and still conceivably nab Wentz, and RG3 is more of a hedging of his bets than anything else. Granted, I don't really see who would trade up, nor what they would trade up for, but I wonder if that scenario has been thrown out.
Time to come up with another far fetched scenario...
I don't think that the trade down scenario is thrown out at all. I think it may be enhanced. So say the Browns get RG. To me, that sends a signal that they may not in fact be taking a QB at #2.....but other teams may want to climb up there and be the first to grab one of those QBs. Dallas maybe, Rams, 49ers.
Other than Cowboys I am not sure what we could get from them.....but the Redskins with RG kinda set the market bar, no? Three first round picks?
If draft picks are the gold standard by which our analytics guys play....then that could be a treasure trove for them.
I don't think that the trade down scenario is thrown out at all. I think it may be enhanced. So say the Browns get RG. To me, that sends a signal that they may not in fact be taking a QB at #2.....but other teams may want to climb up there and be the first to grab one of those QBs. Dallas maybe, Rams, 49ers.
Other than Cowboys I am not sure what we could get from them.....but the Redskins with RG kinda set the market bar, no? Three first round picks?
If draft picks are the gold standard by which our analytics guys play....then that could be a treasure trove for them.
While a trade-down could be exciting, the biggest concern some of us have is RG3 has been more fragile than agile to be the exclusive plan. Not only that, but once he had to be a pocket passer - it was overwhelming enough to the extent Colt McCoy outperformed him in 2014 and Kirk Cousins outperformed him in 2015. Unfortunately, I have yet to read Hue saying he wants to keep McCown even at the bargain prices he's been willing to play for here. I'm hoping that changes because I think it would keep us open to all different scenarios.
There's a lot of teams beside Denver, SF and Dallas that need QBs especially if we count the teams with older QBs like Arizona, NE, New Orleans, and San Diego. Pittsburgh's QB was drafted the same year as Rivers and we can also add the Giants (w/ Eli) to that. I wouldn't be surprised if Jerry Jones trades up with TN especially if he wants to be us or anyone else to the pick of the litter at QB. Now that first QB are more affordable than ever, what's to stop Elway from trying to trade with TN for the first pick overall? If Elway or Jerry does move up to take Hue's perceived pick of the litter at QB at #1 overall - this is one scenario where I could see us trading back unless Hue has his first 2 QBs rated dead even.
It'll be interesting - that's for sure.
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I don't think that the trade down scenario is thrown out at all. I think it may be enhanced. So say the Browns get RG. To me, that sends a signal that they may not in fact be taking a QB at #2.....but other teams may want to climb up there and be the first to grab one of those QBs. Dallas maybe, Rams, 49ers.
Other than Cowboys I am not sure what we could get from them.....but the Redskins with RG kinda set the market bar, no? Three first round picks?
If draft picks are the gold standard by which our analytics guys play....then that could be a treasure trove for them.
I should have said "thrown around", not "thrown out". An RG3 signing, to me, points to us trying to move back and gain some picks, while still getting one of the top two QB's.
I should have said "thrown around", not "thrown out". An RG3 signing, to me, points to us trying to move back and gain some picks, while still getting one of the top two QB's.
Or, it could mean they will want to try to go with RG for a year or two.....get a mid rounder this year....and wait for another year when the QB crop is better.
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I don't think that the trade down scenario is thrown out at all. I think it may be enhanced. So say the Browns get RG. To me, that sends a signal that they may not in fact be taking a QB at #2.....but other teams may want to climb up there and be the first to grab one of those QBs. Dallas maybe, Rams, 49ers.
Other than Cowboys I am not sure what we could get from them.....but the Redskins with RG kinda set the market bar, no? Three first round picks?
If draft picks are the gold standard by which our analytics guys play....then that could be a treasure trove for them.
While a trade-down could be exciting, the biggest concern some of us have is RG3 has been more fragile than agile to be the exclusive plan. Not only that, but once he had to be a pocket passer - it was overwhelming enough to the extent Colt McCoy outperformed him in 2014 and Kirk Cousins outperformed him in 2015. Unfortunately, I have yet to read Hue saying he wants to keep McCown even at the bargain prices he's been willing to play for here. I'm hoping that changes because I think it would keep us open to all different scenarios.
There's a lot of teams beside Denver, SF and Dallas that need QBs especially if we count the teams with older QBs like Arizona, NE, New Orleans, and San Diego. Pittsburgh's QB was drafted the same year as Rivers and we can also add the Giants (w/ Eli) to that. I wouldn't be surprised if Jerry Jones trades up with TN especially if he wants to be us or anyone else to the pick of the litter at QB. Now that first QB are more affordable than ever, what's to stop Elway from trying to trade with TN for the first pick overall? If Elway or Jerry does move up to take Hue's perceived pick of the litter at QB at #1 overall - this is one scenario where I could see us trading back unless Hue has his first 2 QBs rated dead even.
It'll be interesting - that's for sure.
While a trade-down could be exciting, the biggest concern some of us have is RG3 has been more fragile than agile to be the exclusive plan. Not only that, but once he had to be a pocket passer - it was overwhelming enough to the extent Colt McCoy outperformed him in 2014 and Kirk Cousins outperformed him in 2015. Unfortunately, I have yet to read Hue saying he wants to keep McCown even at the bargain prices he's been willing to play for here. I'm hoping that changes because I think it would keep us open to all different scenarios.
There's a lot of teams beside Denver, SF and Dallas that need QBs especially if we count the teams with older QBs like Arizona, NE, New Orleans, and San Diego. Pittsburgh's QB was drafted the same year as Rivers and we can also add the Giants (w/ Eli) to that. I wouldn't be surprised if Jerry Jones trades up with TN especially if he wants to be us or anyone else to the pick of the litter at QB. Now that first QB are more affordable than ever, what's to stop Elway from trying to trade with TN for the first pick overall? If Elway or Jerry does move up to take Hue's perceived pick of the litter at QB at #1 overall - this is one scenario where I could see us trading back unless Hue has his first 2 QBs rated dead even.
It'll be interesting - that's for sure.
Right....anything is possible. But the Tits have said they will want a King's Ransom to trade out of their pick....and with the history of RGIII in Washington, perhaps at best the other teams will want to give up at most a Squire's ransom.
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