Camp Goff
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I think Connor Cook is the Jay Cutler of this class...
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Close, but he doesn't have the arm...
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Oh shit, you are right Gipper. I remember that draft now. We have had so many bad drafts that I am starting to get them confused. Anyway, I hope we get it right this time.
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Another Goff article in MMQB that (shocker) agrees with what I see. Focus of the article is on parallels with Tim Couch. It includes some interesting lineage connections and comments form Bruce Ariens on Tim Couch that I'd not read before.
So even for the non-Goff folk, there's a good read to be found...
Jared Goff May Be the Next Tim Couch — In a Good Way!
by Robert Mays Mar. 31, 2016
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/03/30/nfl-jared-goff-cleveland-browns-tim-couch-2016-draftGreat arms come along all the time, but by the end of his time at Cal, Goff’s control—of both his surroundings and the Cal offense—is what put distance between him and the rest of the country’s prospects. His pocket presence seems preternatural. Goff navigated traffic with what seemed like a sixth sense during his final year at Cal, side-stepping rushers and finding throwing lanes while never fixating on those chasing him. He says he never sees actual rushers, only “flashes of color” in his peripheral vision, and it shows. Last season was also the first in which Goff was given complete audible power at the line of scrimmage. When he felt the need to change a play, there was a green light to do it.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I still have the image of the 5 interceptions he threw vs. Utah...in really the first game I saw him play.
You know what they say: You only have on chance to make a first impression. His impression was a crater in that game.
So, you see why I am not that high on him.
Perhaps his level of quality fits in with Vinny Interceptaverde...which is what I have seen.
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I still have the image of the 5 interceptions he threw vs. Utah...in really the first game I saw him play.
You know what they say: You only have on chance to make a first impression. His impression was a crater in that game.
So, you see why I am not that high on him.
Perhaps his level of quality fits in with Vinny Interceptaverde...which is what I have seen.
I still have the image of the 5 interceptions he threw vs. Utah...in really the first game I saw him play.
Of the five, how many do you place on Goff?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I still have the image of the 5 interceptions he threw vs. Utah...in really the first game I saw him play.
Of the five, how many do you place on Goff?
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I still have the image of the 5 interceptions he threw vs. Utah...in really the first game I saw him play.
Of the five, how many do you place on Goff?
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Another Goff article in MMQB that (shocker) agrees with what I see. Focus of the article is on parallels with Tim Couch. It includes some interesting lineage connections and comments form Bruce Ariens on Tim Couch that I'd not read before.
So even for the non-Goff folk, there's a good read to be found...
Jared Goff May Be the Next Tim Couch — In a Good Way!
by Robert Mays Mar. 31, 2016
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/03/30/nfl-jared-goff-cleveland-browns-tim-couch-2016-draftGreat arms come along all the time, but by the end of his time at Cal, Goff’s control—of both his surroundings and the Cal offense—is what put distance between him and the rest of the country’s prospects. His pocket presence seems preternatural. Goff navigated traffic with what seemed like a sixth sense during his final year at Cal, side-stepping rushers and finding throwing lanes while never fixating on those chasing him. He says he never sees actual rushers, only “flashes of color” in his peripheral vision, and it shows. Last season was also the first in which Goff was given complete audible power at the line of scrimmage. When he felt the need to change a play, there was a green light to do it.
Another Goff article in MMQB that (shocker) agrees with what I see. Focus of the article is on parallels with Tim Couch. It includes some interesting lineage connections and comments form Bruce Ariens on Tim Couch that I'd not read before.
So even for the non-Goff folk, there's a good read to be found...
Jared Goff May Be the Next Tim Couch — In a Good Way!
by Robert Mays Mar. 31, 2016
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/03/30/nfl-jared-goff-cleveland-browns-tim-couch-2016-draft
Great arms come along all the time, but by the end of his time at Cal, Goff’s control—of both his surroundings and the Cal offense—is what put distance between him and the rest of the country’s prospects. His pocket presence seems preternatural. Goff navigated traffic with what seemed like a sixth sense during his final year at Cal, side-stepping rushers and finding throwing lanes while never fixating on those chasing him. He says he never sees actual rushers, only “flashes of color” in his peripheral vision, and it shows. Last season was also the first in which Goff was given complete audible power at the line of scrimmage. When he felt the need to change a play, there was a green light to do it.
Mays is my favorite writer. Great piece
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All of them.
lol...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
All of them.
lol...
lol...
Probably not.....I would have to review the film. Most were on him....but the QB always gets the blame, even if it isn't really his fault.
Since you seem to think you know what happened in that game so intimately....give us your views.....off the top of your head.
Don't bother. Here is the film:
I would say 3 for sure were his fault. One was not. One other could be considered either way.
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All but 1 (the first one) were on Goff.
Those 4 throws had: a bad decision, a first-read lock, an overthrow and a breakdown.
Four bad, bad throws.
Here's a good video making the rounds today:
Ben Fennell@BenFennell_NFLGoff... You dogggg, you! (2014). The subtle slide. The anticipation. The placement. Coming to a Sunday near you!He throws off balance and short-arms it. Bad decision. Not a great throw. But it works. Good anticipation.
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All but 1 (the first one) were on Goff.
Those 4 throws had: a bad decision, a first-read lock, an overthrow and a breakdown.
Four bad, bad throws.
Here's a good video making the rounds today:
Ben Fennell@BenFennell_NFLGoff... You dogggg, you! (2014). The subtle slide. The anticipation. The placement. Coming to a Sunday near you!He throws off balance and short-arms it. Bad decision. Not a great throw. But it works. Good anticipation.
All but 1 (the first one) were on Goff.
Those 4 throws had: a bad decision, a first-read lock, an overthrow and a breakdown.
Four bad, bad throws.
Here's a good video making the rounds today:
https://twitter.com/BenFennell_NFL/status/715941609234436096/video/1
He throws off balance and short-arms it. Bad decision. Not a great throw. But it works. Good anticipation.
Maybe it worked at Cal.....not so sure about the NFL.
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That clip prompted alleged NFL draft expert Matt Miller at Bleacher Report to tweet "QB1" --- People see what they want to see, and none of it matters unless you work for one of the teams. Miller, Rob Rang, and any other media prognosticator isn't talented enough to get a job with one of the 32 teams.
Daniel Jeremiah is the one exception to my rule on that, IMO.
There isn't much in that clip for me to get excited about.
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That clip prompted alleged NFL draft expert Matt Miller at Bleacher Report to tweet "QB1" --- People see what they want to see, and none of it matters unless you work for one of the teams. Miller, Rob Rang, and any other media prognosticator isn't talented enough to get a job with one of the 32 teams.
Daniel Jeremiah is the one exception to my rule on that, IMO.
There isn't much in that clip for me to get excited about.
That clip prompted alleged NFL draft expert Matt Miller at Bleacher Report to tweet "QB1" --- People see what they want to see, and none of it matters unless you work for one of the teams. Miller, Rob Rang, and any other media prognosticator isn't talented enough to get a job with one of the 32 teams.
Daniel Jeremiah is the one exception to my rule on that, IMO.
There isn't much in that clip for me to get excited about.
This clip shows one thing and one thing only - confirmation bias. Just like you said.
People who don't like Goff will see a poor PA fake, short armed throw and an absolutely ugly pass.
People who do like Goff will see a decent side step, great anticipation and perfect ball placement.
People who don't care either way will see both and wonder "it's impressive, yet how often will that work in the NFL?"
Goff is a good talent. If Goff can thread the same needles in the NFL, he'll be a great pro. Just like people pile on Wentz that the speed of the game will change, the speed changes the exact same for Goff. That's really all there is to it.
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That clip prompted alleged NFL draft expert Matt Miller at Bleacher Report to tweet "QB1" --- People see what they want to see, and none of it matters unless you work for one of the teams. Miller, Rob Rang, and any other media prognosticator isn't talented enough to get a job with one of the 32 teams.
Daniel Jeremiah is the one exception to my rule on that, IMO.
There isn't much in that clip for me to get excited about.
This clip shows one thing and one thing only - confirmation bias. Just like you said.
People who don't like Goff will see a poor PA fake, short armed throw and an absolutely ugly pass.
People who do like Goff will see a decent side step, great anticipation and perfect ball placement.
People who don't care either way will see both and wonder "it's impressive, yet how often will that work in the NFL?"
Goff is a good talent. If Goff can thread the same needles in the NFL, he'll be a great pro. Just like people pile on Wentz that the speed of the game will change, the speed changes the exact same for Goff. That's really all there is to it.
This clip shows one thing and one thing only - confirmation bias. Just like you said.
People who don't like Goff will see a poor PA fake, short armed throw and an absolutely ugly pass.
People who do like Goff will see a decent side step, great anticipation and perfect ball placement.
People who don't care either way will see both and wonder "it's impressive, yet how often will that work in the NFL?"
Isn't that what I said?
Goff is a good talent. If Goff can thread the same needles in the NFL, he'll be a great pro. Just like people pile on Wentz that the speed of the game will change, the speed changes the exact same for Goff. That's really all there is to it.
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@mike-h said:
Entire NFL draft debate/dilemma concisely summarized by TCPO.
We can get back to more important topics now, like Trump's hair piece.
You think that's fake? I don't think its fake. Is it really fake?
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That clip prompted alleged NFL draft expert Matt Miller at Bleacher Report to tweet "QB1" --- People see what they want to see, and none of it matters unless you work for one of the teams. Miller, Rob Rang, and any other media prognosticator isn't talented enough to get a job with one of the 32 teams.
Daniel Jeremiah is the one exception to my rule on that, IMO.
There isn't much in that clip for me to get excited about.
This clip shows one thing and one thing only - confirmation bias. Just like you said.
People who don't like Goff will see a poor PA fake, short armed throw and an absolutely ugly pass.
People who do like Goff will see a decent side step, great anticipation and perfect ball placement.
People who don't care either way will see both and wonder "it's impressive, yet how often will that work in the NFL?"
Goff is a good talent. If Goff can thread the same needles in the NFL, he'll be a great pro. Just like people pile on Wentz that the speed of the game will change, the speed changes the exact same for Goff. That's really all there is to it.
In a nutshell, good summary.This clip shows one thing and one thing only - confirmation bias. Just like you said.
People who don't like Goff will see a poor PA fake, short armed throw and an absolutely ugly pass.
People who do like Goff will see a decent side step, great anticipation and perfect ball placement.
People who don't care either way will see both and wonder "it's impressive, yet how often will that work in the NFL?"
Goff is a good talent. If Goff can thread the same needles in the NFL, he'll be a great pro. Just like people pile on Wentz that the speed of the game will change, the speed changes the exact same for Goff. That's really all there is to it.
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sad, but what a difference a night on the town makes. dui.
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