Browns lose Desmond Bryant for the season
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Except, correct me if I am wrong, DB is a DE, not on interior DL. That still may be a decent return....
He's not a primary pass rusher in the team, which is the job of the OLBs.
He's not a primary pass rusher in the team, which is the job of the OLBs.
The greatest pass rushers in history were DEs. Deacon Jones, Carl Eller, Michael Strahan, Bruce Smith. Some guys were like combo guys.....like MDP and JJ Watt.
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Except, correct me if I am wrong, DB is a DE, not on interior DL. That still may be a decent return....
Playing a 3spot is most certainly interior dline.
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The greatest pass rushers in history were DEs. Deacon Jones, Carl Eller, Michael Strahan, Bruce Smith. Some guys were like combo guys.....like MDP and JJ Watt.
Having this conversation yet again is tedious. How long have you been a football fan and you don't know this?
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The greatest pass rushers in history were DEs. Deacon Jones, Carl Eller, Michael Strahan, Bruce Smith. Some guys were like combo guys.....like MDP and JJ Watt.
Having this conversation yet again is tedious. How long have you been a football fan and you don't know this?
Having this conversation yet again is tedious. How long have you been a football fan and you don't know this?
Don't be stupid. Defensive Ends rush the passer. It is a primary requirement of the position.
If you are a fucking defensive end you rush the fucking passer. What is it about that YOU don't fucking understand?
I don't care if it is a fucking 4-3 or a 3-4....that is what DEs do. I have known this since like 1960. Do you not yet know this simple fact about football?
Do OLBs ALSO have responsibility to rush the passer? Certainly.
But look at this list of the 25 career leaders in sacks.
1Bruce Smith200.01985-20032TM
2Reggie White198.01985-20003TM
3Kevin Greene160.01985-19994TM
4Chris Doleman150.51985-19993TM
5Michael Strahan141.51993-2007nyg
6Jason Taylor139.51997-20113TM
7Richard Dent137.51983-19974TM
John Randle137.51990-20032TM
9Julius Peppers136.02002-20153TM
Jared Allen136.02004-20154TM11
DeMarcus Ware134.52005-20152TM
12John Abraham133.52000-20143TM
13Lawrence Taylor132.51981-1993nyg
Leslie O'Neal132.51986-19993TM
15Rickey Jackson128.01981-19952TM
16Derrick Thomas126.51989-1999kan
17Simeon Rice122.01996-20074TM
18Clyde Simmons121.51986-20005TM
19Dwight Freeney119.52002-20153TM
20Robert Mathis118.02003-2015clt
21Sean Jones113.01984-19963TM
22Greg Townsend109.51983-19972TM
23Pat Swilling107.51986-19983TM
24Terrell Suggs106.52003-2015rav
25Trace Armstrong106.01989-20033TM2
2/3rds to 3/4ths are guys that played the DE position. This just since 1982 when the stat was created. Guys like Jones and Eller don't actually show up here.
Same here:
1 Clay Matthews 1978 1993 232 ROLB 124 14 205 1 36 0 24 1 13 29 1 62.0 1430 0
2 Michael Dean Perry 1988 1994 109 RDT 78 10 0 7 14 1 51.5 470 10
3 Rob Burnett 1990 1995 93 LDE 44 2 0 7 9 0 40.5 305 28
4 Carl Hairston 1984 1989 92 RDE 41 0 0 3 0 0 37.5
5 Reggie Camp 1983 1987 70 LDE 32 0 0 2 0 0 35.0
6 Anthony Pleasant 1990 1995 94 RDE 37 9 0 1 4 0 33.5 273 24 1
7 Chip Banks 1982 1986 73 LOLB 55 5 117 1 65 0 0 0 6 17 0 27.5
8 Kamerion Wimbley 2006 2009 63 ROLB 29 1 2 0 2 4 6 0 3 1 0 26.5 183 65
9 Jabaal Sheard 2011 2014 61 DE 29 0 0 0 0 12 7 0 2 5 0 23.0 122 68
10 Kenard Lang 2002 2005 62 LDE 28 2 71 0 71 8 3 0 1 8 0 22.5 155 53
11 Jamir Miller 1999 2001 47 LLB 28 2 0 0 0 14 4 0 0 0 0 22.5 238 62
12 Paul Kruger 2013 2015 48 DE 21 0 0 0 0 9 6 0 1 0 0 18.0 78 49
13 Courtney Brown 2000 2004 47 LDE 24 0 0 0 0 8 6 0 6 26 1 17.0 135 35
8 of Browns top 13 sackers have been DEs. 4 have been OLBs.....one was a DT.
So, tell me again how it is that you have rewritten the history of football by putting primary emphasis for pass rushing on LBs and not on DEs?
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This sucks!
There's an article out there. Maybe there's a relationship between the strength coach and pec injuries. Sometimes when the weight is simply too much for the body.
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All those stats from Gip leads me to believe he needs to get out and play football at some level to understand the differences in position play with respect to name.
If we must be technical Mr 'no difference between 43 34' your classic LE is actually your primary run stopper to the outside. Again this is in a pure traditional sense as most teams put their greatest value in their RE being a blind side pass rusher being most QB's are right handed. Ergo the premium price tag on LT's compared to Right.
You need to get out of the 60's mindset (when DE's were still run stoppers first and foremost - so piss poor example) out of your Madden mindset and set foot on a real field.
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This sucks!
There's an article out there. Maybe there's a relationship between the strength coach and pec injuries. Sometimes when the weight is simply too much for the body.
This sucks!
There's an article out there. Maybe there's a relationship between the strength coach and pec injuries. Sometimes when the weight is simply too much for the body.
This really bites! Des was to be looked at as one of the much needed leaders of a young defensive front 7. Your attached article is truly worry-some. Ogbah (still our best drafted DE not at LB), Nassib & Stample will give J.Hughes & X Cooper a run, but god just did not make enough long armed DE's in this world. Sashi may have to go shopping before the camp injuries really start..
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3-4 DEs are interior players. PFF grades them along with DTs and they grade 3-4 OLBs along with 4-3 DEs simply as "EDGE."
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Ugh, this one actually sucks.
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3-4 DEs are interior players. PFF grades them along with DTs and they grade 3-4 OLBs along with 4-3 DEs simply as "EDGE."
3-4 DEs are interior players. PFF grades them along with DTs and they grade 3-4 OLBs along with 4-3 DEs simply as "EDGE."
Don't be silly, clearly a DE is a DE is a DE regardless of whether it's a 3-4 or 4-3...
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While I regret his loss, it's also a great OPPORTUNITY for one of our young players to step up. It will be interesting to see who will. I do think we have talent there.
Mike
While I regret his loss, it's also a great OPPORTUNITY for one of our young players to step up. It will be interesting to see who will. I do think we have talent there.
Mike
I love your attitude Mike. Must have learned it on he other side of the pond.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_word_for_%22crisis%22
"In Vietnamese
The Sino-Vietnamese word nguy cơ (危機) means risk in Vietnamese, as in there is an opportunity (cơ) of being in danger (nguy)."
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3-4 DEs are interior players. PFF grades them along with DTs and they grade 3-4 OLBs along with 4-3 DEs simply as "EDGE."
Opportunity... smoportunity...
Should force us more to 4-3 looks since we are now one starter thinner with 3-4 DEs...
But then there is always the waiver wire...
3-4 DEs are interior players. PFF grades them along with DTs and they grade 3-4 OLBs along with 4-3 DEs simply as "EDGE."
Yup... and most, if not all, of Gip's original list were 4-3 DEs. IIRC only Bruce Smith was a 3-4 guy.
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All those stats from Gip leads me to believe he needs to get out and play football at some level to understand the differences in position play with respect to name.
If we must be technical Mr 'no difference between 43 34' your classic LE is actually your primary run stopper to the outside. Again this is in a pure traditional sense as most teams put their greatest value in their RE being a blind side pass rusher being most QB's are right handed. Ergo the premium price tag on LT's compared to Right.
You need to get out of the 60's mindset (when DE's were still run stoppers first and foremost - so piss poor example) out of your Madden mindset and set foot on a real field.
All those stats from Gip leads me to believe he needs to get out and play football at some level to understand the differences in position play with respect to name.
If we must be technical Mr 'no difference between 43 34' your classic LE is actually your primary run stopper to the outside. Again this is in a pure traditional sense as most teams put their greatest value in their RE being a blind side pass rusher being most QB's are right handed. Ergo the premium price tag on LT's compared to Right.
You need to get out of the 60's mindset (when DE's were still run stoppers first and foremost - so piss poor example) out of your Madden mindset and set foot on a real field.
Both DEs and OLBs have run stopping duties. Both DE's and OLBs have pass rushing duties. Even DEs have occasional pass coverage duties.
But to say that a DE does NOT have primary pass rush duties....be it the 30s/50s/60s/70s/90s/or 2010s is assinine.
When a team runs, their duty is to stop the run. When the opponent passes, their duty is to rush the passer.....the LDE is not going to sit there and watch for the run when the QB goes back to pass....even if his first assignment is to watch for the run. These guys are not supposed to be pre-programmed potted plants.
Its not rocket science, its football.
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Opportunity... smoportunity...
Should force us more to 4-3 looks since we are now one starter thinner with 3-4 DEs...
But then there is always the waiver wire...
3-4 DEs are interior players. PFF grades them along with DTs and they grade 3-4 OLBs along with 4-3 DEs simply as "EDGE."
Yup... and most, if not all, of Gip's original list were 4-3 DEs. IIRC only Bruce Smith was a 3-4 guy.
Opportunity... smoportunity...
Should force us more to 4-3 looks since we are now one starter thinner with 3-4 DEs...
But then there is always the waiver wire...
Yup... and most, if not all, of Gip's original list were 4-3 DEs. IIRC only Bruce Smith was a 3-4 guy.
I don't care if a guy was a 4-3 or a 3-4.......It is still a primary requisite of that DE to rush on a passing play. While they may do it at times they are NOT supposed to be merely block gobblers. Are the OLBs also...and perhaps expected to get free-er more often on pass rushing? Certainly.
But if block gobbling and run protection is all you wanted out of a DE....you wouldn't use a DE....you would use 3 Nose Tackles in a 3-4.
I don't know, maybe the Browns should try that.
I also don't think Smith was the only 3-4 guy. Jared Allen, Jason Taylor, I think both played more in the 3-4.
Freeney and Mathis? I don't know what that team played.
And here is the other point....it seems that many people are interchangeable....is Barkevious Mingo considered a DE or an OLB. What about Sheard when he was here? PFR lists Kruger as a DE....I thought he was considered an OLB.
So, sometimes terminology is confused. As someone said, these guys are "edge" players.
Well...sometimes we just play with a double edged blade. Both the OLB and the DE...including in a 3-4, can be edge players.
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"Primary duty" is not the same as "in best position to do so".
Also take note of the physical make-up of 4-3 vs. 3-4 DEs, Gip. By and large they are different breeds.
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"Primary duty" is not the same as "in best position to do so".
Also take note of the physical make-up of 4-3 vs. 3-4 DEs, Gip. By and large they are different breeds.
"Primary duty" is not the same as "in best position to do so".
Also take note of the physical make-up of 4-3 vs. 3-4 DEs, Gip. By and large they are different breeds.
Forget it he's rolling.
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"Primary duty" is not the same as "in best position to do so".
Also take note of the physical make-up of 4-3 vs. 3-4 DEs, Gip. By and large they are different breeds.
"Primary duty" is not the same as "in best position to do so".
Also take note of the physical make-up of 4-3 vs. 3-4 DEs, Gip. By and large they are different breeds.
All that may be true.....but to say that rushing the passer is not a primary duty of a Defensive End is just Ludicrous.
That would be like saying that catching passes is not the primary duty of a tight end. Of course it is a primary duty of a Tight End to catch passes. Yes, he has other duties, like blocking.....and some TEs may be better at pass catching than others.....and some DEs 4/3/3/4 may be better at rushing the passer than others.....but it is still a primary duty of the DE to do that.
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If that is what you call "being right"...so be it.
It's not... except in "Gipworld"...
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