Browns lose Desmond Bryant for the season
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This sucks!
There's an article out there. Maybe there's a relationship between the strength coach and pec injuries. Sometimes when the weight is simply too much for the body.
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All those stats from Gip leads me to believe he needs to get out and play football at some level to understand the differences in position play with respect to name.
If we must be technical Mr 'no difference between 43 34' your classic LE is actually your primary run stopper to the outside. Again this is in a pure traditional sense as most teams put their greatest value in their RE being a blind side pass rusher being most QB's are right handed. Ergo the premium price tag on LT's compared to Right.
You need to get out of the 60's mindset (when DE's were still run stoppers first and foremost - so piss poor example) out of your Madden mindset and set foot on a real field.
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This sucks!
There's an article out there. Maybe there's a relationship between the strength coach and pec injuries. Sometimes when the weight is simply too much for the body.
This sucks!
There's an article out there. Maybe there's a relationship between the strength coach and pec injuries. Sometimes when the weight is simply too much for the body.
This really bites! Des was to be looked at as one of the much needed leaders of a young defensive front 7. Your attached article is truly worry-some. Ogbah (still our best drafted DE not at LB), Nassib & Stample will give J.Hughes & X Cooper a run, but god just did not make enough long armed DE's in this world. Sashi may have to go shopping before the camp injuries really start..
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3-4 DEs are interior players. PFF grades them along with DTs and they grade 3-4 OLBs along with 4-3 DEs simply as "EDGE."
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Ugh, this one actually sucks.
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3-4 DEs are interior players. PFF grades them along with DTs and they grade 3-4 OLBs along with 4-3 DEs simply as "EDGE."
3-4 DEs are interior players. PFF grades them along with DTs and they grade 3-4 OLBs along with 4-3 DEs simply as "EDGE."
Don't be silly, clearly a DE is a DE is a DE regardless of whether it's a 3-4 or 4-3...
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While I regret his loss, it's also a great OPPORTUNITY for one of our young players to step up. It will be interesting to see who will. I do think we have talent there.
Mike
While I regret his loss, it's also a great OPPORTUNITY for one of our young players to step up. It will be interesting to see who will. I do think we have talent there.
Mike
I love your attitude Mike. Must have learned it on he other side of the pond.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_word_for_%22crisis%22
"In Vietnamese
The Sino-Vietnamese word nguy cơ (危機) means risk in Vietnamese, as in there is an opportunity (cơ) of being in danger (nguy)."
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3-4 DEs are interior players. PFF grades them along with DTs and they grade 3-4 OLBs along with 4-3 DEs simply as "EDGE."
Opportunity... smoportunity...
Should force us more to 4-3 looks since we are now one starter thinner with 3-4 DEs...
But then there is always the waiver wire...
3-4 DEs are interior players. PFF grades them along with DTs and they grade 3-4 OLBs along with 4-3 DEs simply as "EDGE."
Yup... and most, if not all, of Gip's original list were 4-3 DEs. IIRC only Bruce Smith was a 3-4 guy.
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All those stats from Gip leads me to believe he needs to get out and play football at some level to understand the differences in position play with respect to name.
If we must be technical Mr 'no difference between 43 34' your classic LE is actually your primary run stopper to the outside. Again this is in a pure traditional sense as most teams put their greatest value in their RE being a blind side pass rusher being most QB's are right handed. Ergo the premium price tag on LT's compared to Right.
You need to get out of the 60's mindset (when DE's were still run stoppers first and foremost - so piss poor example) out of your Madden mindset and set foot on a real field.
All those stats from Gip leads me to believe he needs to get out and play football at some level to understand the differences in position play with respect to name.
If we must be technical Mr 'no difference between 43 34' your classic LE is actually your primary run stopper to the outside. Again this is in a pure traditional sense as most teams put their greatest value in their RE being a blind side pass rusher being most QB's are right handed. Ergo the premium price tag on LT's compared to Right.
You need to get out of the 60's mindset (when DE's were still run stoppers first and foremost - so piss poor example) out of your Madden mindset and set foot on a real field.
Both DEs and OLBs have run stopping duties. Both DE's and OLBs have pass rushing duties. Even DEs have occasional pass coverage duties.
But to say that a DE does NOT have primary pass rush duties....be it the 30s/50s/60s/70s/90s/or 2010s is assinine.
When a team runs, their duty is to stop the run. When the opponent passes, their duty is to rush the passer.....the LDE is not going to sit there and watch for the run when the QB goes back to pass....even if his first assignment is to watch for the run. These guys are not supposed to be pre-programmed potted plants.
Its not rocket science, its football.
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Opportunity... smoportunity...
Should force us more to 4-3 looks since we are now one starter thinner with 3-4 DEs...
But then there is always the waiver wire...
3-4 DEs are interior players. PFF grades them along with DTs and they grade 3-4 OLBs along with 4-3 DEs simply as "EDGE."
Yup... and most, if not all, of Gip's original list were 4-3 DEs. IIRC only Bruce Smith was a 3-4 guy.
Opportunity... smoportunity...
Should force us more to 4-3 looks since we are now one starter thinner with 3-4 DEs...
But then there is always the waiver wire...
Yup... and most, if not all, of Gip's original list were 4-3 DEs. IIRC only Bruce Smith was a 3-4 guy.
I don't care if a guy was a 4-3 or a 3-4.......It is still a primary requisite of that DE to rush on a passing play. While they may do it at times they are NOT supposed to be merely block gobblers. Are the OLBs also...and perhaps expected to get free-er more often on pass rushing? Certainly.
But if block gobbling and run protection is all you wanted out of a DE....you wouldn't use a DE....you would use 3 Nose Tackles in a 3-4.
I don't know, maybe the Browns should try that.
I also don't think Smith was the only 3-4 guy. Jared Allen, Jason Taylor, I think both played more in the 3-4.
Freeney and Mathis? I don't know what that team played.
And here is the other point....it seems that many people are interchangeable....is Barkevious Mingo considered a DE or an OLB. What about Sheard when he was here? PFR lists Kruger as a DE....I thought he was considered an OLB.
So, sometimes terminology is confused. As someone said, these guys are "edge" players.
Well...sometimes we just play with a double edged blade. Both the OLB and the DE...including in a 3-4, can be edge players.
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"Primary duty" is not the same as "in best position to do so".
Also take note of the physical make-up of 4-3 vs. 3-4 DEs, Gip. By and large they are different breeds.
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"Primary duty" is not the same as "in best position to do so".
Also take note of the physical make-up of 4-3 vs. 3-4 DEs, Gip. By and large they are different breeds.
"Primary duty" is not the same as "in best position to do so".
Also take note of the physical make-up of 4-3 vs. 3-4 DEs, Gip. By and large they are different breeds.
Forget it he's rolling.
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"Primary duty" is not the same as "in best position to do so".
Also take note of the physical make-up of 4-3 vs. 3-4 DEs, Gip. By and large they are different breeds.
"Primary duty" is not the same as "in best position to do so".
Also take note of the physical make-up of 4-3 vs. 3-4 DEs, Gip. By and large they are different breeds.
All that may be true.....but to say that rushing the passer is not a primary duty of a Defensive End is just Ludicrous.
That would be like saying that catching passes is not the primary duty of a tight end. Of course it is a primary duty of a Tight End to catch passes. Yes, he has other duties, like blocking.....and some TEs may be better at pass catching than others.....and some DEs 4/3/3/4 may be better at rushing the passer than others.....but it is still a primary duty of the DE to do that.
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If that is what you call "being right"...so be it.
It's not... except in "Gipworld"...
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Pigeons, chess, etc.
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If that is what you call "being right"...so be it.
It's not... except in "Gipworld"...
It's not... except in "Gipworld"...
All right.....let's me act as stupid as you....and agree that Defensive Ends have no responsibility for rushing the passer. Let them all sit there like potted plants when the QB goes back to pass. Just occasionally put their hands in the air to bat down a pass.
Yea, right.
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It's not... except in "Gipworld"...
All right.....let's me act as stupid as you....and agree that Defensive Ends have no responsibility for rushing the passer. Let them all sit there like potted plants when the QB goes back to pass. Just occasionally put their hands in the air to bat down a pass.
Yea, right.
All right.....let's me act as stupid as you....and agree that Defensive Ends have no responsibility for rushing the passer. Let them all sit there like potted plants when the QB goes back to pass. Just occasionally put their hands in the air to bat down a pass.
Yea, right.
You're confusing 'no resonsibility' for 'primary responsibility'.
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All right.....let's me act as stupid as you....and agree that Defensive Ends have no responsibility for rushing the passer. Let them all sit there like potted plants when the QB goes back to pass. Just occasionally put their hands in the air to bat down a pass.
Yea, right.
You're confusing 'no resonsibility' for 'primary responsibility'.
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Opportunity... smoportunity...
Should force us more to 4-3 looks since we are now one starter thinner with 3-4 DEs...
But then there is always the waiver wire...
3-4 DEs are interior players. PFF grades them along with DTs and they grade 3-4 OLBs along with 4-3 DEs simply as "EDGE."
Yup... and most, if not all, of Gip's original list were 4-3 DEs. IIRC only Bruce Smith was a 3-4 guy.
Opportunity... smoportunity...
Should force us more to 4-3 looks since we are now one starter thinner with 3-4 DEs...
But then there is always the waiver wire...
Or just add Myles Garrett next year since we will likely be in position to actually keep our high 1st rounder for player/position of greatest value to the team.
"Truth be known, Sumlin said Garrett is one of the last guys on the A&M roster who needed a reminder about avoiding an attitude of entitlement."
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