First Round Busts
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Borderline:
Phil Taylor
Antonio Langham
Kellen Winslow II
Braylon Edwards
Tim Couch
Derrick Alexander*
Bob McKay
Jeff Faine*
Mike Phipps
Marvin Upshaw*
Ron Johnson*
Bob Matheson*
I'll never look at Couch as a bust. In Browns history, he's ranked 5th in passing yards. And 3rd in times sacked (only 5 seasons played). I don't think he was better than McNabb (hindsight of course), but I bet McNabb would have been doomed to fail as well those years, virtually no O line help at all.
Couch lead the team to a playoff birth, only to have Butch Davis fall in love with Kelly Holcomb. Couch wasn't great, but he was far from a bust IMHO.
I'll never look at Couch as a bust. In Browns history, he's ranked 5th in passing yards. And 3rd in times sacked (only 5 seasons played). I don't think he was better than McNabb (hindsight of course), but I bet McNabb would have been doomed to fail as well those years, virtually no O line help at all.
Couch lead the team to a playoff birth, only to have Butch Davis fall in love with Kelly Holcomb. Couch wasn't great, but he was far from a bust IMHO.
And I didn't have him in the bust pool if you notice. I had him in the borderline pool.....not good/great players....not busts.
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The Ravens have the best record of all in their "short" existance.
Too Soon to Tell:
Breshard Perriman
Matt Elam
Busts:
Kyle Boller.......the only real bust they have had in 20 years
Borderline:
Michael Oher
Todd Heap
Duane Starks
Travis Taylor
Jimmy Smith
Mark Clayton
Plus players:
Ray Lewis
Ed Reed
Jonathan Ogden
Terrell Suggs
Haloti Ngata
Joe Flacco
Jamal Lewis
Chris McAlister
Peter Boulware
Ben Grubbs
CJ Mosley...getting there
The Ravens Breakdown is:
Too soon: 10%
Busts: 5%
Borderline: 30%
Plus players: 55%
I suggest that no team in the league has done so well in that period of time.
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Borderline Michael Oher? Dude you're wrong on that one.
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One Post From the Truth said:
Borderline Michael Oher? Dude you're wrong on that one.
He has been an OK player. Nothing spectacular. In 7 years in the league he has never made a single Pro Bowl.
Or, were you thinking the other way.....that he is a bust?
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One Post From the Truth said:
Borderline Michael Oher? Dude you're wrong on that one.
He has been an OK player. Nothing spectacular. In 7 years in the league he has never made a single Pro Bowl.
Or, were you thinking the other way.....that he is a bust?
I think he's pretty darn good.He has been an OK player. Nothing spectacular. In 7 years in the league he has never made a single Pro Bowl.
Or, were you thinking the other way.....that he is a bust?
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I think he's pretty darn good.He has been an OK player. Nothing spectacular. In 7 years in the league he has never made a single Pro Bowl.
Or, were you thinking the other way.....that he is a bust?
One Post From the Truth said:
I think he's pretty darn good.
Apparently though his fellow players, coaches, executives...and the fans...have not seen fit to name him to a Pro Bowl....and not good enough for the Titans who were what? 3-13 to not have released him.
I mean I do not think he ended up being as good as Mitchell Schwartz. (though he might be better than what we have now. When he was released it would not have broken my heart to pick him up as a replacement for The Schwartz)
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One Post From the Truth said:
I think he's pretty darn good.
Apparently though his fellow players, coaches, executives...and the fans...have not seen fit to name him to a Pro Bowl....and not good enough for the Titans who were what? 3-13 to not have released him.
I mean I do not think he ended up being as good as Mitchell Schwartz. (though he might be better than what we have now. When he was released it would not have broken my heart to pick him up as a replacement for The Schwartz)
They made a flipping movie about he kid. Not enough say he wasn't worthy?Apparently though his fellow players, coaches, executives...and the fans...have not seen fit to name him to a Pro Bowl....and not good enough for the Titans who were what? 3-13 to not have released him.
I mean I do not think he ended up being as good as Mitchell Schwartz. (though he might be better than what we have now. When he was released it would not have broken my heart to pick him up as a replacement for The Schwartz)
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Other was drafted as a LT, couldn't cut it and was moved to RT.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
They made a flipping movie about he kid. Not enough say he wasn't worthy?Apparently though his fellow players, coaches, executives...and the fans...have not seen fit to name him to a Pro Bowl....and not good enough for the Titans who were what? 3-13 to not have released him.
I mean I do not think he ended up being as good as Mitchell Schwartz. (though he might be better than what we have now. When he was released it would not have broken my heart to pick him up as a replacement for The Schwartz)
One Post From the Truth said:
They made a flipping movie about he kid. Not enough say he wasn't worthy?
They made an inspirational movie about Rudy Ruettiger. That doesn't mean he was Pro Bowl talent.
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One Post From the Truth said:
They made a flipping movie about he kid. Not enough say he wasn't worthy?
They made an inspirational movie about Rudy Ruettiger. That doesn't mean he was Pro Bowl talent.
Oher won a SB right? He was a vital part of a line that won it all.They made an inspirational movie about Rudy Ruettiger. That doesn't mean he was Pro Bowl talent.
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Other was drafted as a LT, couldn't cut it and was moved to RT.
Other was drafted as a LT, couldn't cut it and was moved to RT.
I heard someone say that they thought Alvin Bailey was shaky....and he is slated to be our starte at ROT.....so...yea, maybe Oher could have been a guy to get. But now we gotta go with Bailey or Shon Coleman....or Drango? (Or is he a guard?)
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Oher won a SB right? He was a vital part of a line that won it all.They made an inspirational movie about Rudy Ruettiger. That doesn't mean he was Pro Bowl talent.
One Post From the Truth said:
Oher won a SB right? He was a vital part of a line that won it all.
Lots of middle of the road players have Super Bowl rings.
I am not dissing him or saying he is a bust. But he is not what I categorize as a plus player.
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One Post From the Truth said:
Oher won a SB right? He was a vital part of a line that won it all.
Lots of middle of the road players have Super Bowl rings.
I am not dissing him or saying he is a bust. But he is not what I categorize as a plus player.
Whatever dude. I could comb through all of your lists and find many screw ups because I'm smart. Now if you will excuse me I'm watch Trailor Parks Boys all day.Lots of middle of the road players have Super Bowl rings.
I am not dissing him or saying he is a bust. But he is not what I categorize as a plus player.
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Whatever dude. I could comb through all of your lists and find many screw ups because I'm smart. Now if you will excuse me I'm watch Trailor Parks Boys all day.Lots of middle of the road players have Super Bowl rings.
I am not dissing him or saying he is a bust. But he is not what I categorize as a plus player.
One Post From the Truth said:
Whatever dude. I could comb through all of your lists and find many screw ups because I'm smart. Now if you will excuse me I'm watch Trailor Parks Boys all day.
Watch it? Or live it?
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One Post From the Truth said:
Whatever dude. I could comb through all of your lists and find many screw ups because I'm smart. Now if you will excuse me I'm watch Trailor Parks Boys all day.
Watch it? Or live it?
Watch it. I live in a building we own with neighbors that best keep it down or they get the boot.Watch it? Or live it?
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Borderline busts? Bennie Cunningham and Eric Green were not borderline busts. Especially that big fat ass Green who was a 2X pro bowler. Playing 10 yrs. makes one a serviceable player. Cunningham started in 2 Super Bowls.
Speaking of Cunningham...you're old enough to remember this Gip.
A game in which the Browns were on the verge of breaking that Three Rivers Jinx when this happened....
(The second clip.).
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Actually that was an OT game.
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No one cares about the stoolers
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Borderline:
Phil Taylor
Antonio Langham
Kellen Winslow II
Braylon Edwards
Tim Couch
Derrick Alexander*
Bob McKay
Jeff Faine*
Mike Phipps
Marvin Upshaw*
Ron Johnson*
Bob Matheson*
I'll never look at Couch as a bust. In Browns history, he's ranked 5th in passing yards. And 3rd in times sacked (only 5 seasons played). I don't think he was better than McNabb (hindsight of course), but I bet McNabb would have been doomed to fail as well those years, virtually no O line help at all.
Couch lead the team to a playoff birth, only to have Butch Davis fall in love with Kelly Holcomb. Couch wasn't great, but he was far from a bust IMHO.
I'll never look at Couch as a bust. In Browns history, he's ranked 5th in passing yards. And 3rd in times sacked (only 5 seasons played). I don't think he was better than McNabb (hindsight of course), but I bet McNabb would have been doomed to fail as well those years, virtually no O line help at all.
Couch lead the team to a playoff birth, only to have Butch Davis fall in love with Kelly Holcomb. Couch wasn't great, but he was far from a bust IMHO.
I totally agree.
Mike
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