First Round Busts
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One Post From the Truth said:
They made a flipping movie about he kid. Not enough say he wasn't worthy?
They made an inspirational movie about Rudy Ruettiger. That doesn't mean he was Pro Bowl talent.
Oher won a SB right? He was a vital part of a line that won it all.They made an inspirational movie about Rudy Ruettiger. That doesn't mean he was Pro Bowl talent.
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Other was drafted as a LT, couldn't cut it and was moved to RT.
Other was drafted as a LT, couldn't cut it and was moved to RT.
I heard someone say that they thought Alvin Bailey was shaky....and he is slated to be our starte at ROT.....so...yea, maybe Oher could have been a guy to get. But now we gotta go with Bailey or Shon Coleman....or Drango? (Or is he a guard?)
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Oher won a SB right? He was a vital part of a line that won it all.They made an inspirational movie about Rudy Ruettiger. That doesn't mean he was Pro Bowl talent.
One Post From the Truth said:
Oher won a SB right? He was a vital part of a line that won it all.
Lots of middle of the road players have Super Bowl rings.
I am not dissing him or saying he is a bust. But he is not what I categorize as a plus player.
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One Post From the Truth said:
Oher won a SB right? He was a vital part of a line that won it all.
Lots of middle of the road players have Super Bowl rings.
I am not dissing him or saying he is a bust. But he is not what I categorize as a plus player.
Whatever dude. I could comb through all of your lists and find many screw ups because I'm smart. Now if you will excuse me I'm watch Trailor Parks Boys all day.Lots of middle of the road players have Super Bowl rings.
I am not dissing him or saying he is a bust. But he is not what I categorize as a plus player.
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Whatever dude. I could comb through all of your lists and find many screw ups because I'm smart. Now if you will excuse me I'm watch Trailor Parks Boys all day.Lots of middle of the road players have Super Bowl rings.
I am not dissing him or saying he is a bust. But he is not what I categorize as a plus player.
One Post From the Truth said:
Whatever dude. I could comb through all of your lists and find many screw ups because I'm smart. Now if you will excuse me I'm watch Trailor Parks Boys all day.
Watch it? Or live it?
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One Post From the Truth said:
Whatever dude. I could comb through all of your lists and find many screw ups because I'm smart. Now if you will excuse me I'm watch Trailor Parks Boys all day.
Watch it? Or live it?
Watch it. I live in a building we own with neighbors that best keep it down or they get the boot.Watch it? Or live it?
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Borderline busts? Bennie Cunningham and Eric Green were not borderline busts. Especially that big fat ass Green who was a 2X pro bowler. Playing 10 yrs. makes one a serviceable player. Cunningham started in 2 Super Bowls.
Speaking of Cunningham...you're old enough to remember this Gip.
A game in which the Browns were on the verge of breaking that Three Rivers Jinx when this happened....
(The second clip.).
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Actually that was an OT game.
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No one cares about the stoolers
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Borderline:
Phil Taylor
Antonio Langham
Kellen Winslow II
Braylon Edwards
Tim Couch
Derrick Alexander*
Bob McKay
Jeff Faine*
Mike Phipps
Marvin Upshaw*
Ron Johnson*
Bob Matheson*
I'll never look at Couch as a bust. In Browns history, he's ranked 5th in passing yards. And 3rd in times sacked (only 5 seasons played). I don't think he was better than McNabb (hindsight of course), but I bet McNabb would have been doomed to fail as well those years, virtually no O line help at all.
Couch lead the team to a playoff birth, only to have Butch Davis fall in love with Kelly Holcomb. Couch wasn't great, but he was far from a bust IMHO.
I'll never look at Couch as a bust. In Browns history, he's ranked 5th in passing yards. And 3rd in times sacked (only 5 seasons played). I don't think he was better than McNabb (hindsight of course), but I bet McNabb would have been doomed to fail as well those years, virtually no O line help at all.
Couch lead the team to a playoff birth, only to have Butch Davis fall in love with Kelly Holcomb. Couch wasn't great, but he was far from a bust IMHO.
I totally agree.
Mike
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Borderline busts? Bennie Cunningham and Eric Green were not borderline busts. Especially that big fat ass Green who was a 2X pro bowler. Playing 10 yrs. makes one a serviceable player. Cunningham started in 2 Super Bowls.
Speaking of Cunningham...you're old enough to remember this Gip.
A game in which the Browns were on the verge of breaking that Three Rivers Jinx when this happened....
(The second clip.).
Borderline busts? Bennie Cunningham and Eric Green were not borderline busts. Especially that big fat ass Green who was a 2X pro bowler. Playing 10 yrs. makes one a serviceable player. Cunningham started in 2 Super Bowls.
Speaking of Cunningham...you're old enough to remember this Gip.
A game in which the Browns were on the verge of breaking that Three Rivers Jinx when this happened....
(The second clip.).
By borderline I meant average players....not good, not bad. Average. Maybe Green was better than that....I will defer to your more intimate knowledge of their careers. I was going by the PFR career production values for each which were decidedly average. But Green with two Pro Bowls, yes, would be better. As far as that game, I recall that there was a major referee bad call that gave the Steeler's that game. Had instant replay been in effect it likely would have gone the other way.
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Do a rewrite Gip!
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Yes, Oher is a very good player.
And Mike Phipps was not "borderline" he was down right shitty. C'mon Gip, you know better than that.
Zombo said:
Yes, Oher is a very good player.
And Mike Phipps was not "borderline" he was down right shitty. C'mon Gip, you know better than that.
Oher never made a Pro Bowl.....so I can't give him anything other than borderline status. (again...borderline does not mean, bust...it means average. A "Plus" player is a really good player. While I would take him now at RT probably over what we have, he was not as good as Schwartz...and maybe we got someone on our roster who can do better....Coleman/Drango.
And, yes, I was being a bit kind to Phipps. He had his moments....even took the team to the playoffs. But I am not sure I would call his career a complete bust......it was borderline between being borderline and being a bust....so I gave him the benefit of the doubt.
I mean....he wasn't Quinn/Weeden/Manziel bust status. Fair to say?
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Zombo said:
Yes, Oher is a very good player.
And Mike Phipps was not "borderline" he was down right shitty. C'mon Gip, you know better than that.
Oher never made a Pro Bowl.....so I can't give him anything other than borderline status. (again...borderline does not mean, bust...it means average. A "Plus" player is a really good player. While I would take him now at RT probably over what we have, he was not as good as Schwartz...and maybe we got someone on our roster who can do better....Coleman/Drango.
And, yes, I was being a bit kind to Phipps. He had his moments....even took the team to the playoffs. But I am not sure I would call his career a complete bust......it was borderline between being borderline and being a bust....so I gave him the benefit of the doubt.
I mean....he wasn't Quinn/Weeden/Manziel bust status. Fair to say?
Weeden is better than Phipps. Because of how high he was drafted and the fact the he was drafted in an era where you developed young starters and took the lumps a lot longer, Phipps got quite a long look ... But he was really awful.Oher never made a Pro Bowl.....so I can't give him anything other than borderline status. (again...borderline does not mean, bust...it means average. A "Plus" player is a really good player. While I would take him now at RT probably over what we have, he was not as good as Schwartz...and maybe we got someone on our roster who can do better....Coleman/Drango.
And, yes, I was being a bit kind to Phipps. He had his moments....even took the team to the playoffs. But I am not sure I would call his career a complete bust......it was borderline between being borderline and being a bust....so I gave him the benefit of the doubt.
I mean....he wasn't Quinn/Weeden/Manziel bust status. Fair to say?
As for Oher, maybe it's your terminology. "Borderline" makes a reader think Borderline Bust in a thread about busts. If you mean Solid ... Then say solid.
If you are a tackle drafted #23 and you start every year for the first 8 years of your career, and you are the starting left tackle on two Super Bowl teams, that's a solid career and a good pick for the team that drafted him and won a Super Bowl with him playing left tackle.
Z
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Borderline busts? Bennie Cunningham and Eric Green were not borderline busts. Especially that big fat ass Green who was a 2X pro bowler. Playing 10 yrs. makes one a serviceable player. Cunningham started in 2 Super Bowls.
Speaking of Cunningham...you're old enough to remember this Gip.
A game in which the Browns were on the verge of breaking that Three Rivers Jinx when this happened....
(The second clip.).
By borderline I meant average players....not good, not bad. Average. Maybe Green was better than that....I will defer to your more intimate knowledge of their careers. I was going by the PFR career production values for each which were decidedly average. But Green with two Pro Bowls, yes, would be better. As far as that game, I recall that there was a major referee bad call that gave the Steeler's that game. Had instant replay been in effect it likely would have gone the other way.
By borderl As far as that game, I recall that there was a major referee bad call that gave the Steeler's that game. Had instant replay been in effect it likely would have gone the other way.
Bingo....Larry Anderson fumbled the OT kickoff, Browns recovered on the 23 yd line...but wait, the "whistle blew."
I'm still not over it.
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Weeden is better than Phipps. Because of how high he was drafted and the fact the he was drafted in an era where you developed young starters and took the lumps a lot longer, Phipps got quite a long look ... But he was really awful.Oher never made a Pro Bowl.....so I can't give him anything other than borderline status. (again...borderline does not mean, bust...it means average. A "Plus" player is a really good player. While I would take him now at RT probably over what we have, he was not as good as Schwartz...and maybe we got someone on our roster who can do better....Coleman/Drango.
And, yes, I was being a bit kind to Phipps. He had his moments....even took the team to the playoffs. But I am not sure I would call his career a complete bust......it was borderline between being borderline and being a bust....so I gave him the benefit of the doubt.
I mean....he wasn't Quinn/Weeden/Manziel bust status. Fair to say?
As for Oher, maybe it's your terminology. "Borderline" makes a reader think Borderline Bust in a thread about busts. If you mean Solid ... Then say solid.
If you are a tackle drafted #23 and you start every year for the first 8 years of your career, and you are the starting left tackle on two Super Bowl teams, that's a solid career and a good pick for the team that drafted him and won a Super Bowl with him playing left tackle.
Z
Zombo said:
Weeden is better than Phipps. Because of how high he was drafted and the fact the he was drafted in an era where you developed young starters and took the lumps a lot longer, Phipps got quite a long look ... But he was really awful.
I don't know if Weeden is better than Phipps. I kinda see them together hanging on the same vine. I only gave Phipps a bit more of a break because, as noted, he was the primary starter in a playoff year. But, yes, they are very similar.
As for Oher, maybe it's your terminology. "Borderline" makes a reader think Borderline Bust in a thread about busts. If you mean Solid ... Then say solid.
If you are a tackle drafted #23 and you start every year for the first 8 years of your career, and you are the starting left tackle on two Super Bowl teams, that's a solid career and a good pick for the team that drafted him and won a Super Bowl with him playing left tackle.
Well, I will say, he is not shite. How about serviceable.
Z
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By borderl As far as that game, I recall that there was a major referee bad call that gave the Steeler's that game. Had instant replay been in effect it likely would have gone the other way.
Bingo....Larry Anderson fumbled the OT kickoff, Browns recovered on the 23 yd line...but wait, the "whistle blew."
I'm still not over it.
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Do as you're told.Re: being right.
I am.
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