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  • The Ravens have the best record of all in their "short" existance.

    Too Soon to Tell:

    Breshard Perriman

    Matt Elam

    Busts:

    Kyle Boller.......the only real bust they have had in 20 years

    Borderline:

    Michael Oher

    Todd Heap

    Duane Starks

    Travis Taylor

    Jimmy Smith

    Mark Clayton

    Plus players:

    Ray Lewis

    Ed Reed

    Jonathan Ogden

    Terrell Suggs

    Haloti Ngata

    Joe Flacco

    Jamal Lewis

    Chris McAlister

    Peter Boulware

    Ben Grubbs

    CJ Mosley...getting there

    The Ravens Breakdown is:

    Too soon: 10%

    Busts: 5%

    Borderline: 30%

    Plus players: 55%

    I suggest that no team in the league has done so well in that period of time.

  • Borderline Michael Oher? Dude you're wrong on that one.

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    Borderline Michael Oher? Dude you're wrong on that one.

    One Post From the Truth said:

    Borderline Michael Oher? Dude you're wrong on that one.

    He has been an OK player. Nothing spectacular. In 7 years in the league he has never made a single Pro Bowl.

    Or, were you thinking the other way.....that he is a bust?

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    One Post From the Truth said:

    Borderline Michael Oher? Dude you're wrong on that one.

    He has been an OK player. Nothing spectacular. In 7 years in the league he has never made a single Pro Bowl.

    Or, were you thinking the other way.....that he is a bust?

    @the-gipper said:

    He has been an OK player. Nothing spectacular. In 7 years in the league he has never made a single Pro Bowl.

    Or, were you thinking the other way.....that he is a bust?

    I think he's pretty darn good.
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    @the-gipper said:

    He has been an OK player. Nothing spectacular. In 7 years in the league he has never made a single Pro Bowl.

    Or, were you thinking the other way.....that he is a bust?

    I think he's pretty darn good.

    One Post From the Truth said:

    I think he's pretty darn good.

    Apparently though his fellow players, coaches, executives...and the fans...have not seen fit to name him to a Pro Bowl....and not good enough for the Titans who were what? 3-13 to not have released him.

    I mean I do not think he ended up being as good as Mitchell Schwartz. (though he might be better than what we have now. When he was released it would not have broken my heart to pick him up as a replacement for The Schwartz)

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    One Post From the Truth said:

    I think he's pretty darn good.

    Apparently though his fellow players, coaches, executives...and the fans...have not seen fit to name him to a Pro Bowl....and not good enough for the Titans who were what? 3-13 to not have released him.

    I mean I do not think he ended up being as good as Mitchell Schwartz. (though he might be better than what we have now. When he was released it would not have broken my heart to pick him up as a replacement for The Schwartz)

    @the-gipper said:

    Apparently though his fellow players, coaches, executives...and the fans...have not seen fit to name him to a Pro Bowl....and not good enough for the Titans who were what? 3-13 to not have released him.

    I mean I do not think he ended up being as good as Mitchell Schwartz. (though he might be better than what we have now. When he was released it would not have broken my heart to pick him up as a replacement for The Schwartz)

    They made a flipping movie about he kid. Not enough say he wasn't worthy?
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  • Other was drafted as a LT, couldn't cut it and was moved to RT.

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    @the-gipper said:

    Apparently though his fellow players, coaches, executives...and the fans...have not seen fit to name him to a Pro Bowl....and not good enough for the Titans who were what? 3-13 to not have released him.

    I mean I do not think he ended up being as good as Mitchell Schwartz. (though he might be better than what we have now. When he was released it would not have broken my heart to pick him up as a replacement for The Schwartz)

    They made a flipping movie about he kid. Not enough say he wasn't worthy?

    One Post From the Truth said:

    They made a flipping movie about he kid. Not enough say he wasn't worthy?

    They made an inspirational movie about Rudy Ruettiger. That doesn't mean he was Pro Bowl talent.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    One Post From the Truth said:

    They made a flipping movie about he kid. Not enough say he wasn't worthy?

    They made an inspirational movie about Rudy Ruettiger. That doesn't mean he was Pro Bowl talent.

    @the-gipper said:

    They made an inspirational movie about Rudy Ruettiger. That doesn't mean he was Pro Bowl talent.

    Oher won a SB right? He was a vital part of a line that won it all.
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  • Canton DawgC Canton Dawg

    Other was drafted as a LT, couldn't cut it and was moved to RT.

    @canton-dawg said:

    Other was drafted as a LT, couldn't cut it and was moved to RT.

    I heard someone say that they thought Alvin Bailey was shaky....and he is slated to be our starte at ROT.....so...yea, maybe Oher could have been a guy to get. But now we gotta go with Bailey or Shon Coleman....or Drango? (Or is he a guard?)

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    @the-gipper said:

    They made an inspirational movie about Rudy Ruettiger. That doesn't mean he was Pro Bowl talent.

    Oher won a SB right? He was a vital part of a line that won it all.

    One Post From the Truth said:

    Oher won a SB right? He was a vital part of a line that won it all.

    Lots of middle of the road players have Super Bowl rings.

    I am not dissing him or saying he is a bust. But he is not what I categorize as a plus player.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    One Post From the Truth said:

    Oher won a SB right? He was a vital part of a line that won it all.

    Lots of middle of the road players have Super Bowl rings.

    I am not dissing him or saying he is a bust. But he is not what I categorize as a plus player.

    @the-gipper said:

    Lots of middle of the road players have Super Bowl rings.

    I am not dissing him or saying he is a bust. But he is not what I categorize as a plus player.

    Whatever dude. I could comb through all of your lists and find many screw ups because I'm smart. Now if you will excuse me I'm watch Trailor Parks Boys all day. 🙂
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    @the-gipper said:

    Lots of middle of the road players have Super Bowl rings.

    I am not dissing him or saying he is a bust. But he is not what I categorize as a plus player.

    Whatever dude. I could comb through all of your lists and find many screw ups because I'm smart. Now if you will excuse me I'm watch Trailor Parks Boys all day. 🙂

    One Post From the Truth said:

    Whatever dude. I could comb through all of your lists and find many screw ups because I'm smart. Now if you will excuse me I'm watch Trailor Parks Boys all day. 🙂

    Watch it? Or live it?

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    One Post From the Truth said:

    Whatever dude. I could comb through all of your lists and find many screw ups because I'm smart. Now if you will excuse me I'm watch Trailor Parks Boys all day. 🙂

    Watch it? Or live it?

    @the-gipper said:

    Watch it? Or live it?

    Watch it. I live in a building we own with neighbors that best keep it down or they get the boot.
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  • Borderline busts? Bennie Cunningham and Eric Green were not borderline busts. Especially that big fat ass Green who was a 2X pro bowler. Playing 10 yrs. makes one a serviceable player. Cunningham started in 2 Super Bowls.

    Speaking of Cunningham...you're old enough to remember this Gip.

    A game in which the Browns were on the verge of breaking that Three Rivers Jinx when this happened....

    (The second clip.).

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  • Actually that was an OT game.

  • No one cares about the stoolers

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  • Bob806B Bob806

    @the-gipper said:

    Borderline:

    Phil Taylor

    Antonio Langham

    Kellen Winslow II

    Braylon Edwards

    Tim Couch

    Derrick Alexander*

    Bob McKay

    Jeff Faine*

    Mike Phipps

    Marvin Upshaw*

    Ron Johnson*

    Bob Matheson*

    I'll never look at Couch as a bust. In Browns history, he's ranked 5th in passing yards. And 3rd in times sacked (only 5 seasons played). I don't think he was better than McNabb (hindsight of course), but I bet McNabb would have been doomed to fail as well those years, virtually no O line help at all.

    Couch lead the team to a playoff birth, only to have Butch Davis fall in love with Kelly Holcomb. Couch wasn't great, but he was far from a bust IMHO.

    @bob806 said:

    I'll never look at Couch as a bust. In Browns history, he's ranked 5th in passing yards. And 3rd in times sacked (only 5 seasons played). I don't think he was better than McNabb (hindsight of course), but I bet McNabb would have been doomed to fail as well those years, virtually no O line help at all.

    Couch lead the team to a playoff birth, only to have Butch Davis fall in love with Kelly Holcomb. Couch wasn't great, but he was far from a bust IMHO.

    I totally agree.

    Mike

    IN DORSEY I TRUST

  • Yes, Oher is a very good player.

    And Mike Phipps was not "borderline" he was down right shitty. C'mon Gip, you know better than that.

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  • StinkHoleS StinkHole

    Borderline busts? Bennie Cunningham and Eric Green were not borderline busts. Especially that big fat ass Green who was a 2X pro bowler. Playing 10 yrs. makes one a serviceable player. Cunningham started in 2 Super Bowls.

    Speaking of Cunningham...you're old enough to remember this Gip.

    A game in which the Browns were on the verge of breaking that Three Rivers Jinx when this happened....

    (The second clip.).

    @stinkhole said:

    Borderline busts? Bennie Cunningham and Eric Green were not borderline busts. Especially that big fat ass Green who was a 2X pro bowler. Playing 10 yrs. makes one a serviceable player. Cunningham started in 2 Super Bowls.

    Speaking of Cunningham...you're old enough to remember this Gip.

    A game in which the Browns were on the verge of breaking that Three Rivers Jinx when this happened....

    (The second clip.).

    By borderline I meant average players....not good, not bad. Average. Maybe Green was better than that....I will defer to your more intimate knowledge of their careers. I was going by the PFR career production values for each which were decidedly average. But Green with two Pro Bowls, yes, would be better. As far as that game, I recall that there was a major referee bad call that gave the Steeler's that game. Had instant replay been in effect it likely would have gone the other way.

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