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  • @gftchris said:

    The only issue I see with switching to a 4-3 is that whilst Shelton and Meder would be OK in the middle, we're a bit thin thereafter. Cooper, maybe, Hughes maybe.

    Paea, Cooper, Hughes.

    @logicisforsquares said:

    Paea, Cooper, Hughes.

    Sure. Any of those guys get your motor going as 4-3 DTs? Not quite Geno Atkins and Gerald McCoy.

  • @logicisforsquares said:

    Paea, Cooper, Hughes.

    Sure. Any of those guys get your motor going as 4-3 DTs? Not quite Geno Atkins and Gerald McCoy.

    @gftchris said:

    Sure. Any of those guys get your motor going as 4-3 DTs? Not quite Geno Atkins and Gerald McCoy.

    Paea could be something but the others are filler.

    Do any of them give you the warm and fuzzies as 3-4 DTs?

  • Paea I believe is the town at sea level that you bike to when you start off at 11K+ elevation at the top of Haleakala. You go from there to Paea and you only have to pedal like twice.

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  • @gftchris said:

    Sure. Any of those guys get your motor going as 4-3 DTs? Not quite Geno Atkins and Gerald McCoy.

    Paea could be something but the others are filler.

    Do any of them give you the warm and fuzzies as 3-4 DTs?

    @logicisforsquares said:

    Paea could be something but the others are filler.

    Do any of them give you the warm and fuzzies as 3-4 DTs?

    Nope. But Nassib does somewhat in that role. Still a single offseason with a decent investment at the position and a 4-3 is very possible. Though you could say the same about the 3-4, just need a top DE.

  • @mjp28 said:

    I've always preferred the 4-3 system unless you absolutely do not have enough big guys to staff the D line.

    I always like the 4-3 simply out of Nostalgia.

    The Fearsome Foursome

    The Doomsday Defense

    The Purple People Eaters

    The Steel Curtain

    The New York Sack Exchange

    Reggie White/Eagles line

    Gino Marchetti/Big Daddy Lipscomb Colts line

    Willie Davis/Henry Jordan Packers DL

    Howie Long/Lyle Alzado Raiders DL

    The 1985 Bears: Dent, Hampton, McMichael, Perry

    And don't forget the 1964 Browns: Wiggin, Glass, Kanicki, Modzelewski

    @the-gipper said:

    I always like the 4-3 simply out of Nostalgia.

    Not like there were a lot of other choices in the 60's and 70's...

    @gftchris said:

    The only issue I see with switching to a 4-3 is that whilst Shelton and Meder would be OK in the middle, we're a bit thin thereafter. Cooper, maybe, Hughes maybe.

    I've always liked Hughes best as a 4-3 DT.

  • @the-gipper said:

    I always like the 4-3 simply out of Nostalgia.

    Not like there were a lot of other choices in the 60's and 70's...

    @gftchris said:

    The only issue I see with switching to a 4-3 is that whilst Shelton and Meder would be OK in the middle, we're a bit thin thereafter. Cooper, maybe, Hughes maybe.

    I've always liked Hughes best as a 4-3 DT.

    @tour2ma said:

    Not like there were a lot of other choices in the 60's and 70's...

    There was the 5-2....and the 53 defense which were in fact played at times. More as specialty defenses. Of course, they could be played back when there was full bump and run allowed on receivers.

  • @logicisforsquares said:

    Paea could be something but the others are filler.

    Do any of them give you the warm and fuzzies as 3-4 DTs?

    Nope. But Nassib does somewhat in that role. Still a single offseason with a decent investment at the position and a 4-3 is very possible. Though you could say the same about the 3-4, just need a top DE.

    @gftchris said:

    Nope. But Nassib does somewhat in that role. Still a single offseason with a decent investment at the position and a 4-3 is very possible. Though you could say the same about the 3-4, just need a top DE.

    Both nassib and ogbah are 4-3 guys mate. In fact, if sny of those two could hack the 3-4 i think its nassib. Ogbah is way too stiff for 3-4 olb'er

  • I think people dont understand that for dl switching between 3-4 and 4-3 is really nothing unless you have a dlightly undersized 4-3 dt that u mive to NT. Thats the only time switches really give sny problems. A good 3-4 NT is going to do just fine moving 3ft to his left ir right. Infact they prob would appreciate the chance to get upfield some more

  • @gftchris said:

    Nope. But Nassib does somewhat in that role. Still a single offseason with a decent investment at the position and a 4-3 is very possible. Though you could say the same about the 3-4, just need a top DE.

    Both nassib and ogbah are 4-3 guys mate. In fact, if sny of those two could hack the 3-4 i think its nassib. Ogbah is way too stiff for 3-4 olb'er

    @clevfan4life said:

    Both nassib and ogbah are 4-3 guys mate. In fact, if sny of those two could hack the 3-4 i think its nassib. Ogbah is way too stiff for 3-4 olb'er

    I'm well aware. In a 4-3 we only get two of Orchard, Ogbah and Nassib on the field though, and in a 3-4 we can get 3. So there's that.

  • @clevfan4life said:

    Both nassib and ogbah are 4-3 guys mate. In fact, if sny of those two could hack the 3-4 i think its nassib. Ogbah is way too stiff for 3-4 olb'er

    I'm well aware. In a 4-3 we only get two of Orchard, Ogbah and Nassib on the field though, and in a 3-4 we can get 3. So there's that.

    @gftchris said:

    I'm well aware. In a 4-3 we only get two of Orchard, Ogbah and Nassib on the field though, and in a 3-4 we can get 3. So there's that.

    In our base sets, Carl is not on the field.

  • @gftchris said:

    I'm well aware. In a 4-3 we only get two of Orchard, Ogbah and Nassib on the field though, and in a 3-4 we can get 3. So there's that.

    In our base sets, Carl is not on the field.

    @tiamat63 said:

    In our base sets, Carl is not on the field.

    Listening to the ohfsn broadcast for the bears game, zegurs said that the starting rotation was in full 4-3 look....so that was ogbah and nassib. Orchard didnt comein till the 3-4 rotation came on later

  • @the-gipper said:

    I always like the 4-3 simply out of Nostalgia.

    Not like there were a lot of other choices in the 60's and 70's...

    @gftchris said:

    The only issue I see with switching to a 4-3 is that whilst Shelton and Meder would be OK in the middle, we're a bit thin thereafter. Cooper, maybe, Hughes maybe.

    I've always liked Hughes best as a 4-3 DT.

    @tour2ma said:

    Not like there were a lot of other choices in the 60's and 70's...

    I've always liked Hughes best as a 4-3 DT.

    5-2 (unless you're an Okie fan then we'll call it the 34 Bud Wilkinson)

    @clevfan4life said:

    Listening to the ohfsn broadcast for the bears game, zegurs said that the starting rotation was in full 4-3 look....so that was ogbah and nassib. Orchard didnt comein till the 3-4 rotation came on later

    As expected. In our four man front you'll see Orchard on passing downs. Until then he'll remain our starting WLB. I wouldn't mind seeing a package with Orchard, Ogba, Coop and Carl.
  • @tour2ma said:

    Not like there were a lot of other choices in the 60's and 70's...

    I've always liked Hughes best as a 4-3 DT.

    5-2 (unless you're an Okie fan then we'll call it the 34 Bud Wilkinson)

    @clevfan4life said:

    Listening to the ohfsn broadcast for the bears game, zegurs said that the starting rotation was in full 4-3 look....so that was ogbah and nassib. Orchard didnt comein till the 3-4 rotation came on later

    As expected. In our four man front you'll see Orchard on passing downs. Until then he'll remain our starting WLB. I wouldn't mind seeing a package with Orchard, Ogba, Coop and Carl.

    @tiamat63 said:

    5-2 (unless you're an Okie fan then we'll call it the 34 Bud Wilkinson)

    As expected. In our four man front you'll see Orchard on passing downs. Until then he'll remain our starting WLB. I wouldn't mind seeing a package with Orchard, Ogba, Coop and Carl.

    U want orchard in there as one of the 4-3 olb'ers? I read that wrong right?

  • @tour2ma said:

    Not like there were a lot of other choices in the 60's and 70's...

    I've always liked Hughes best as a 4-3 DT.

    5-2 (unless you're an Okie fan then we'll call it the 34 Bud Wilkinson)

    @clevfan4life said:

    Listening to the ohfsn broadcast for the bears game, zegurs said that the starting rotation was in full 4-3 look....so that was ogbah and nassib. Orchard didnt comein till the 3-4 rotation came on later

    As expected. In our four man front you'll see Orchard on passing downs. Until then he'll remain our starting WLB. I wouldn't mind seeing a package with Orchard, Ogba, Coop and Carl.

    @tiamat63 said:

    5-2 (unless you're an Okie fan then we'll call it the 34 Bud Wilkinson)

    True on the 5-2, but by the time I "became aware" of pro football, Tom Landry had developed the 4-3 as NYG's DC... and the league never looked back. Except once when George Allen unexpectedly sprang it on an opponent in a playoff game (IIRC).

    POP QUIZ: Who was Landry's OC counterpart with NYG?

  • @tiamat63 said:

    5-2 (unless you're an Okie fan then we'll call it the 34 Bud Wilkinson)

    True on the 5-2, but by the time I "became aware" of pro football, Tom Landry had developed the 4-3 as NYG's DC... and the league never looked back. Except once when George Allen unexpectedly sprang it on an opponent in a playoff game (IIRC).

    POP QUIZ: Who was Landry's OC counterpart with NYG?

    @tour2ma said:

    True on the 5-2, but by the time I "became aware" of pro football, Tom Landry had developed the 4-3 as NYG's DC... and the league never looked back. Except once when George Allen unexpectedly sprang it on an opponent in a playoff game (IIRC).

    POP QUIZ: Who was Landry's OC counterpart with NYG?

    Vince-Lombardi-Tom-Landry-New-York-Giant

  • Correctamundo...

    POP QUIZ Part Deux: Who was their HC?

  • Correctamundo...

    POP QUIZ Part Deux: Who was their HC?

    @tour2ma said:

    Correctamundo...

    POP QUIZ Part Deux: Who was their HC?

    Allie Sherman?

    Z

  • @tiamat63 said:

    5-2 (unless you're an Okie fan then we'll call it the 34 Bud Wilkinson)

    As expected. In our four man front you'll see Orchard on passing downs. Until then he'll remain our starting WLB. I wouldn't mind seeing a package with Orchard, Ogba, Coop and Carl.

    U want orchard in there as one of the 4-3 olb'ers? I read that wrong right?

    @clevfan4life said:

    U want orchard in there as one of the 4-3 olb'ers? I read that wrong right?

    Yes and no. Orchard is the WLB in our base sets. I do believe him capable of playing boundary looks in our four man front at OLB and of course as an edge rusher or 5th man.

  • @tiamat63 said:

    5-2 (unless you're an Okie fan then we'll call it the 34 Bud Wilkinson)

    True on the 5-2, but by the time I "became aware" of pro football, Tom Landry had developed the 4-3 as NYG's DC... and the league never looked back. Except once when George Allen unexpectedly sprang it on an opponent in a playoff game (IIRC).

    POP QUIZ: Who was Landry's OC counterpart with NYG?

    @tour2ma said:

    True on the 5-2, but by the time I "became aware" of pro football, Tom Landry had developed the 4-3 as NYG's DC... and the league never looked back. Except once when George Allen unexpectedly sprang it on an opponent in a playoff game (IIRC).

    POP QUIZ: Who was Landry's OC counterpart with NYG?

    Yea, I was going to say Lombardi.

  • @tour2ma said:

    Correctamundo...

    POP QUIZ Part Deux: Who was their HC?

    Allie Sherman?

    Z

    Zombo said:

    Allie Sherman?

    Z

    He came later, I think. The name is like right on the tip of my brain, but it is not coming out.