Hopes, dreams and fears for games 9-16
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I would add.....Coaches coach and FO's pick players......
My argument last year was I thought the talent was the issue, not coaching....
Same story this year.....my beef is with the FO, not the coaches.....so how does me not liking Sashi even relate to Pettine(coach).....your mixed up....(and back on ignore)
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pretty obvious that most of us want to see those things...
but throwing off on Danny Shelton was stupid - the kid
very obviously means business, lost that weight -
you worry too much, Chris.
The Browns need to draft/sign a safety and fix the secondary. Without Joe Haden in there,
they are nearly helpless.
Kindred can play - he will be even better next year. S or CB in the first round.
I do believe thte Browns will draft a qb. I would hope, though it's very..very early, that it would
be Trubisky. Not sold on Kizer at this point.
Still don't know if/how RGIII sees the field like he needs to. I admire McCown - Kessler makes the
quickest, smartest decisions of the three. Right now, I think Trubisky is like Kessler with a bigger arm.
Still, I LOVE the way the Browns play this year- as far as attitude, going for it- being a TEAM, ..
they are just not that many players away. They kick ass often and move the ball, etc.
The defense is starting to shove the run up the middle in the offenses' face.
I've watched every game Notre Dame, Clemson, Louisville, Ohio State, this year and Lamar Jackson is the QB I would target. He's 6'3" 205lbs and has 26 touchdowns and close to 3,000 yards through nine games. He's only a sophomore but if he declares that's the guy!pretty obvious that most of us want to see those things...
but throwing off on Danny Shelton was stupid - the kid
very obviously means business, lost that weight -
you worry too much, Chris.
The Browns need to draft/sign a safety and fix the secondary. Without Joe Haden in there,
they are nearly helpless.
Kindred can play - he will be even better next year. S or CB in the first round.
I do believe thte Browns will draft a qb. I would hope, though it's very..very early, that it would
be Trubisky. Not sold on Kizer at this point.
Still don't know if/how RGIII sees the field like he needs to. I admire McCown - Kessler makes the
quickest, smartest decisions of the three. Right now, I think Trubisky is like Kessler with a bigger arm.
Still, I LOVE the way the Browns play this year- as far as attitude, going for it- being a TEAM, ..
they are just not that many players away. They kick ass often and move the ball, etc.
The defense is starting to shove the run up the middle in the offenses' face.
Kizer truly stinks and is over hyped. Remember Jimmy Clausen and Brady Quinn?! JT Barret from Ohio State is better than Kizer anyway.
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I've watched every game Notre Dame, Clemson, Louisville, Ohio State, this year and Lamar Jackson is the QB I would target. He's 6'3" 205lbs and has 26 touchdowns and close to 3,000 yards through nine games. He's only a sophomore but if he declares that's the guy!pretty obvious that most of us want to see those things...
but throwing off on Danny Shelton was stupid - the kid
very obviously means business, lost that weight -
you worry too much, Chris.
The Browns need to draft/sign a safety and fix the secondary. Without Joe Haden in there,
they are nearly helpless.
Kindred can play - he will be even better next year. S or CB in the first round.
I do believe thte Browns will draft a qb. I would hope, though it's very..very early, that it would
be Trubisky. Not sold on Kizer at this point.
Still don't know if/how RGIII sees the field like he needs to. I admire McCown - Kessler makes the
quickest, smartest decisions of the three. Right now, I think Trubisky is like Kessler with a bigger arm.
Still, I LOVE the way the Browns play this year- as far as attitude, going for it- being a TEAM, ..
they are just not that many players away. They kick ass often and move the ball, etc.
The defense is starting to shove the run up the middle in the offenses' face.
Kizer truly stinks and is over hyped. Remember Jimmy Clausen and Brady Quinn?! JT Barret from Ohio State is better than Kizer anyway.
I've watched every game Notre Dame, Clemson, Louisville, Ohio State, this year and Lamar Jackson is the QB I would target. He's 6'3" 205lbs and has 26 touchdowns and close to 3,000 yards through nine games. He's only a sophomore but if he declares that's the guy!
Kizer truly stinks and is over hyped. Remember Jimmy Clausen and Brady Quinn?! JT Barret from Ohio State is better than Kizer anyway.
Opal-he can't declare. That is the point. You must be at least a Jr. or a redshirt soph to declare. He is a true soph and therefore ineligible to declare for the 2017 draft.
Now basketball is a totally different story, but this is how it works currently for the NFL.
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get a life Wargo.....and a new hobby.....you always telling poeple what and how to post has gotten old....try just offering your football insight and let the others do the same(me included)
and bitchin about me bitchin about Pettine?.....tis you who needs to let it go.....again,,,,,didnt mention him once(you did)
I think the FO and this team bite(worse than ever) and have every right to say it....so get over it already.....(been telling you this for a year or 2 now)....
whatever your boner for me is....Ive long been tired of it.....like I said....find a new hobby and let this 40 year Browns fan speak his mind.....Ive earned the right to do it , without some smart ass kid from Texas learning me on what I should think and feel about my lifelong team ....get it??? ....(doubtful)
get a life Wargo.....and a new hobby.....you always telling poeple what and how to post has gotten old....try just offering your football insight and let the others do the same(me included)
and bitchin about me bitchin about Pettine?.....tis you who needs to let it go.....again,,,,,didnt mention him once(you did)
I think the FO and this team bite(worse than ever) and have every right to say it....so get over it already.....(been telling you this for a year or 2 now)....
whatever your boner for me is....Ive long been tired of it.....like I said....find a new hobby and let this 40 year Browns fan speak his mind.....Ive earned the right to do it , without some smart ass kid from Texas learning me on what I should think and feel about my lifelong team ....get it??? ....(doubtful)
You practically got a degree in apologetics during the Pettine era but now criticize the FO and coaching staff (no matter how much you deny it) for every. little. thing. You don't have to throw an addendum of "I'm mad about Pettine" on every post for everyone here not to get the implication. So whether you mention him explicitly or not, we all know what the agenda is.
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I would add.....Coaches coach and FO's pick players......
My argument last year was I thought the talent was the issue, not coaching....
Same story this year.....my beef is with the FO, not the coaches.....so how does me not liking Sashi even relate to Pettine(coach).....your mixed up....(and back on ignore)
I would add.....Coaches coach and FO's pick players......
My argument last year was I thought the talent was the issue, not coaching....
Same story this year.....my beef is with the FO, not the coaches.....so how does me not liking Sashi even relate to Pettine(coach).....your mixed up....(and back on ignore)
Riiiiight. You constantly point out how neither side of the ball has improved (even though re: offense, pretty much no one agrees with you). You said last week we quit in the second half. You said our halftime adjustments sucked. If I wanted to spend some time, I could probably find a million more examples. So no, I'm not mixed up.
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Hopes......... I don't have to sell more of my tickets
Dreams...... I get to go to the Super Bowl as a season ticket holder
Fear..... I have spent 100's of thousands of dollars for the worst run sport franchise EVER!!!!!
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I've watched every game Notre Dame, Clemson, Louisville, Ohio State, this year and Lamar Jackson is the QB I would target. He's 6'3" 205lbs and has 26 touchdowns and close to 3,000 yards through nine games. He's only a sophomore but if he declares that's the guy!
Kizer truly stinks and is over hyped. Remember Jimmy Clausen and Brady Quinn?! JT Barret from Ohio State is better than Kizer anyway.
Opal-he can't declare. That is the point. You must be at least a Jr. or a redshirt soph to declare. He is a true soph and therefore ineligible to declare for the 2017 draft.
Now basketball is a totally different story, but this is how it works currently for the NFL.
Opal-he can't declare. That is the point. You must be at least a Jr. or a redshirt soph to declare. He is a true soph and therefore ineligible to declare for the 2017 draft.
Now basketball is a totally different story, but this is how it works currently for the NFL.
I wasn't sure about that AG- thanks for clearing it up.
Riiiiight. You constantly point out how neither side of the ball has improved (even though re: offense, pretty much no one agrees with you). You said last week we quit in the second half. You said our halftime adjustments sucked. If I wanted to spend some time, I could probably find a million more examples. So no, I'm not mixed up.
Ha no one agrees with Mud? From a points scored\game standpoint- (29th NFL) I can sure say we've seen no improvement. Is the talent better? Maybe- but that talent hasn't translated into wins,or points. And the defense is flat out terrible. Maybe if we had a defense on the order of the '85 Bears, we might have eked out a few wins by now. Getting beat by an average of 11 per game.
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You can say that all you want, doesn't make it true. You defended the vast majority of questionable Pettine moves to the hilt. With this regime it's nothing but whining about absolutely everything with a ton of being a smartass sprinkled in.
You can say that all you want, doesn't make it true. You defended the vast majority of questionable Pettine moves to the hilt. With this regime it's nothing but whining about absolutely everything with a ton of being a smartass sprinkled in.
Mud makes more sense than you child. He wants to see good football played like most Browns fans. You seem more like another loser from taxas
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We are now 10 point underdogs to the 4-4 Ravens Th night.
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If that's a joke, I don't get it.
This ought to help...
... sarcastic ahole comments..
DON'T you DARE call Mud sarcastic...
Better?
You loved everything associated with Pettine. Your bitterness over his firing oozes into every post.
Now a serious post...
Bullfuck!
Mud, I and a couple others pointed out the lack of talent on the team in general and the Defense in particular. We felt this was at least a significant, if not the major, reason for the team's lack of success... especially in 2015.
No one ever apologized for Pettine. We simply challenged the majority, which I'd forgotten included you, that Coaching was THE problem. I forgot forgot you were a Farmer guy, that's how much I;ve clung to Pet, but in typing this I suddenly did remember that you were a Manzielot... one of the "good ones".
So it makes sense that you would end up on the other side of our argument since your boy's destructive presence was a burden for any HC, let alone a first timer...
... but that's no reason for you to make shit up...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
But he is sarcastic all the time. Hence the post not making sense.
I liked Farmer and I wanted to keep Pettine. We could hire Mickey Mouse and I would want to see
Him get a minimum of three years.
Last year's team had a ton more talent than this one, and Pettine scratched out three wins. I do believe that with last year's talent and schedule, Hue would have notched at least twice that.
Apologetics, "challenges," whatever verbiage you want to use: you guys defended Pettine. My point is Mud makes no attempt at the same for Hue. You do. You guys are handling this differently.
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Whats funny is that I made one comment on this thread...one......and it was a reference to picking 4 WR's when we desperately needed defense....
And now........Wargo has spent two whole pages bitching about it.....as if my one post ruined the whoie board or something....
And that ONE comment about the FO has now evolved to a rant about how Im not treating Hue right?
Yer an idiot...
And,.....in the end....what Im saying now(about this team and the FO) WILL prove to be true.......
So, go ahead Wargo....rant a few more pages about my terrible posts.....but NOTE that the board is riddled with threads about firing Hue, and 0-16, and this team quitting AND IM NOT ON ANY OF THEM......so before you cast stones at me as some kind of negative jerk and the only guy who cant see the great things that are happening....take a look around,,,,and see who IS on all those threads and who isnt...
and re-read this thread to determine who the real whiny bitch is....
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Still you.
I like how you're using the opinion of others here as validation, yet when most of the board hated Pettine you spent hours and hours trying to change hearts. Pretty much made my point exactly. No benefit of the doubt for Hue from you.
The real prime contender for a firing here is whoever.....taught......you.....punctuation.
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Still you.
I like how you're using the opinion of others here as validation, yet when most of the board hated Pettine you spent hours and hours trying to change hearts. Pretty much made my point exactly. No benefit of the doubt for Hue from you.
The real prime contender for a firing here is whoever.....taught......you.....punctuation.
Lol, and with correct punctuation, you can go up by going down. Please lower it up a bit.Still you.
I like how you're using the opinion of others here as validation, yet when most of the board hated Pettine you spent hours and hours trying to change hearts. Pretty much made my point exactly. No benefit of the doubt for Hue from you.
The real prime contender for a firing here is whoever.....taught......you.....punctuation.
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I liked pettine but hated farmer. I like jackson but hate horton... Unfortunately Jackson an horton are a package deal so sorry hue you made your bed. I do like our front office this go around though and have liked our draft not so much our free agency but i have a feeling that will pick up next year. I get the build from draft but i predict much more activity in free agency this upcoming offseason
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When you get down to punctuation comments.... you've lost...
Nah, I have wanted to say something forever because excessive ellipse users bug the hell out of me and I saw the opening. He apologized (or whatever word you want to use) for Pettine but unloads on Hue. Simple as that. I didn't/won't make a critical evaluation of either in their first year.
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When you get down to punctuation comments.... you've lost...
Nah, I have wanted to say something forever because excessive ellipse users bug the hell out of me and I saw the opening. He apologized (or whatever word you want to use) for Pettine but unloads on Hue. Simple as that. I didn't/won't make a critical evaluation of either in their first year.
He apologized (or whatever word you want to use) for Pettine but unloads on Hue. Simple as that.
This is my last comment(cause Ive said it a billion times)...and then Im out...
1) I did not defend Pettine, I fought against another reboot. Had plenty of issues with both Pettine and Farmer, but argued endlessly that THEY were not the reason the team sucked and that the team would suck even with a new coach. Again....Im not a Pettine fan, Im a reboot hater.....(and I was right, the team isnt any better)
Note: you mentioned in one of your previous comments that you thought Jackson would have won 4 more games with the same team. Does that mean you advocate tearing a 7-9 team down to dust? Cause that would be crazy...right?....who does that?
2) I have NEVER unloaded on Hue. EVER. And, infact, have said a number of times(on this board) that he should NOT be fired(for the same reasons Pettine shouldnt have been fired) and he should have time...but, that does not mean I think he's perfect or a savior either....so, yeah, when I see questionable shit I will say it.....just like I did with Farmer and Pettine many many times....but having a negative critique is not unloading on Hue......I have no issue with Hue, other than him being crowned some type of genius and savior, when he looks more like an average rookie head coach.....actually kind of feel sorry for him....think Shashi is shafting him a bit.....just my opinon
3) And finally.....for like the 3rd time.... In this thread, I went after the FO....FO ....FO......yet you insist I am engaging in some type of Pettine thing. Which makes no sense, considering Im talking about FO.....Ive not mentioned Pettine in one post, but you have thrown him in my face in your last 7 posts.....and you were the one telling me to "get over it".....
How about you do the same....?....K?
it's all spelled out for you....again.....please try to understand this time....and if you still insist on attaching your own meaning of what Im thinking and completely discount what Im telling you Im thinking....then there is no help ......your on your own
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You mean the FO is more responsible for the players on the field than Magical Coach Number 32?
How dare you, sir. I demand satisfaction. Pistols at dawn!
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He apologized (or whatever word you want to use) for Pettine but unloads on Hue. Simple as that.
This is my last comment(cause Ive said it a billion times)...and then Im out...
1) I did not defend Pettine, I fought against another reboot. Had plenty of issues with both Pettine and Farmer, but argued endlessly that THEY were not the reason the team sucked and that the team would suck even with a new coach. Again....Im not a Pettine fan, Im a reboot hater.....(and I was right, the team isnt any better)
Note: you mentioned in one of your previous comments that you thought Jackson would have won 4 more games with the same team. Does that mean you advocate tearing a 7-9 team down to dust? Cause that would be crazy...right?....who does that?
2) I have NEVER unloaded on Hue. EVER. And, infact, have said a number of times(on this board) that he should NOT be fired(for the same reasons Pettine shouldnt have been fired) and he should have time...but, that does not mean I think he's perfect or a savior either....so, yeah, when I see questionable shit I will say it.....just like I did with Farmer and Pettine many many times....but having a negative critique is not unloading on Hue......I have no issue with Hue, other than him being crowned some type of genius and savior, when he looks more like an average rookie head coach.....actually kind of feel sorry for him....think Shashi is shafting him a bit.....just my opinon
3) And finally.....for like the 3rd time.... In this thread, I went after the FO....FO ....FO......yet you insist I am engaging in some type of Pettine thing. Which makes no sense, considering Im talking about FO.....Ive not mentioned Pettine in one post, but you have thrown him in my face in your last 7 posts.....and you were the one telling me to "get over it".....
How about you do the same....?....K?
it's all spelled out for you....again.....please try to understand this time....and if you still insist on attaching your own meaning of what Im thinking and completely discount what Im telling you Im thinking....then there is no help ......your on your own
This is my last comment(cause Ive said it a billion times)...and then Im out...
1) I did not defend Pettine, I fought against another reboot. Had plenty of issues with both Pettine and Farmer, but argued endlessly that THEY were not the reason the team sucked and that the team would suck even with a new coach. Again....Im not a Pettine fan, Im a reboot hater.....(and I was right, the team isnt any better)
Certainly not how I remember it but I'll take your word for it. Regardless, the comments you make now are not even remotely the same. So I guess you're not a reboot hater anymore.
Note: you mentioned in one of your previous comments that you thought Jackson would have won 4 more games with the same team. Does that mean you advocate tearing a 7-9 team down to dust? Cause that would be crazy...right?....who does that?
7-9 as a ceiling with a really good coach? No, not crazy at all. That's a crappy team.
2) I have NEVER unloaded on Hue. EVER. And, infact, have said a number of times(on this board) that he should NOT be fired(for the same reasons Pettine shouldnt have been fired) and he should have time...but, that does not mean I think he's perfect or a savior either....so, yeah, when I see questionable shit I will say it.....just like I did with Farmer and Pettine many many times....but having a negative critique is not unloading on Hue......I have no issue with Hue, other than him being crowned some type of genius and savior, when he looks more like an average rookie head coach.....actually kind of feel sorry for him....think Shashi is shafting him a bit.....just my opinon
I agree to a degree. A small degree.
3) And finally.....for like the 3rd time.... In this thread, I went after the FO....FO ....FO......yet you insist I am engaging in some type of Pettine thing. Which makes no sense, considering Im talking about FO.....Ive not mentioned Pettine in one post, but you have thrown him in my face in your last 7 posts.....and you were the one telling me to "get over it".....
I laid out several examples of you unloading on Hue though.
How about you do the same....?....K?
it's all spelled out for you....again.....please try to understand this time....and if you still insist on attaching your own meaning of what Im thinking and completely discount what Im telling you Im thinking....then there is no help ......your on your own
I just wish you could acknowledge that constantly complaining about the staff only aids in their firing. So, as someone against the firing, maybe you could back it up a little bit. I'm sure you'll say "nobody listens to little old me." But I just believe these things spread. Stuff you read on a message board gets talked about around the water cooler. Then in a casual conversation with the boss. Then in the boxes at the stadium. Then it eventually reaches Jimmy. Opinions trickle up all the time and we know how fragile Jimmy is.
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