Most Overrated "Star" In Football
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Agree with whoever mentioned Dak. It'll be hilarious if he implodes this year.
Wouldn't be the first QB to succumb to "the Sophomore Jinx"... but not seeing it happen. Same Set up on the O side plus the D helped itself in the draft.
But D's performance may well come down to Sean Lee staying healthy for a 2nd consecutive season. Odds of that can't be high...
In my opinion the most overrated "star" in the league might be Clay Matthews. Sadly, Joe Haden is also way up there
Yeah... but even stars can't maintain their level of play once injuries begin to mount...
Yeah... but even stars can't maintain their level of play once injuries begin to mount...
Yep, just ask Myles about that dropoff from 2014 and 2015 to 2016. BTW I am now dealing with a high ankle sprain and it has definitely affected my ability to get to balls up front in racquetball and I don't even have 300 lb linemen trying to prevent me from getting there. Very hard to push off with my right leg.
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I love OSU and it probably is Zeke. He's good, but there's probably at least 10 guys in the league who could do what he did behind that O line.
This post probably says more about my view about modern day RBs than anything else...
I understand where you're coming from, but the year in between Murray and Zeke was pretty bad for Dallas' running game behind the same line basically. But someone like Bell or Johnson or etc... could possibly do even better. You can't teach running around, through or over people like Zeke can though.I love OSU and it probably is Zeke. He's good, but there's probably at least 10 guys in the league who could do what he did behind that O line.
This post probably says more about my view about modern day RBs than anything else...
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I understand where you're coming from, but the year in between Murray and Zeke was pretty bad for Dallas' running game behind the same line basically. But someone like Bell or Johnson or etc... could possibly do even better. You can't teach running around, through or over people like Zeke can though.I love OSU and it probably is Zeke. He's good, but there's probably at least 10 guys in the league who could do what he did behind that O line.
This post probably says more about my view about modern day RBs than anything else...
I agree, it's not like just anyone can be a successful running back simply because of a great O Line, but every year there is a mid round or UDFA RB who goes off.I understand where you're coming from, but the year in between Murray and Zeke was pretty bad for Dallas' running game behind the same line basically. But someone like Bell or Johnson or etc... could possibly do even better. You can't teach running around, through or over people like Zeke can though.
Edit: and I don't want it to sound like I'm a zeke hater, because he's a bad ass RB, but no RB is worth a top 10 pick imo.
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I agree, it's not like just anyone can be a successful running back simply because of a great O Line, but every year there is a mid round or UDFA RB who goes off.I understand where you're coming from, but the year in between Murray and Zeke was pretty bad for Dallas' running game behind the same line basically. But someone like Bell or Johnson or etc... could possibly do even better. You can't teach running around, through or over people like Zeke can though.
Edit: and I don't want it to sound like I'm a zeke hater, because he's a bad ass RB, but no RB is worth a top 10 pick imo.
I agree, it's not like just anyone can be a successful running back simply because of a great O Line.
For example, no one can improve the Crow's vision to separate him into the "great" RB's. He still will miss the open holes often enough when this "new" line opens a few more for him. Now if he were a great back he'd have that vision and anticipate them every play. Sooner or later the Browns will have to get a great back.
http://walterfootball.com/draft2018RB.php
EDIT: I am partial to Chubb or Guice
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@boo-fagley said:
JJ Watt
His picture is on milk cartons after big games. Showboat, dancing, Herman Munster, look at me axxhole in regular season games. Hey Dipshit, you are getting paid millions to go out and make plays. Cant stand watching a Texans game because the commentary drones on ad naseum about his life and what he had for breakfast.
If I am not mistaken, Ford Motor company builds a Texas pickup truck so his beloved fans can drive around Houston worshiping this clown.
LOL! If he played for Cleveland you'd be getting a "Signature" Chevy made in an Ohio factory.
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@boo-fagley said:
JJ Watt
His picture is on milk cartons after big games. Showboat, dancing, Herman Munster, look at me axxhole in regular season games. Hey Dipshit, you are getting paid millions to go out and make plays. Cant stand watching a Texans game because the commentary drones on ad naseum about his life and what he had for breakfast.
If I am not mistaken, Ford Motor company builds a Texas pickup truck so his beloved fans can drive around Houston worshiping this clown.
You should be gloriously happy about the fate of JJ Watt. I mean, it is entirely possible that if he had played the Pats in that playoff game he and Clowney would have played smear the queer with Tom Brady..knocking him out of that game. Then you would have had to rely on Scott Mitchell....errr Jimmy Regurgitatopollo to win that game. Wouldn't happen.
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@boo-fagley said:
Pearls of wisdom from the most overrated poster on the board.
At least I have a rating.
You would be among the UDFAs around these parts.
And all I am saying is that JJ Watts injuries helped the team you allegedly root for...Patriots.
Do you not think that game would not have been a closer contest with him in there?
It was a one score game until the mid 4th quarter no? Watt would have made no difference?
Then...if you say a superior DE makes no difference in a game, then why were all these people on here all become Homo Erectus over our #1 draft pick?
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Sherman and Norman are seemingly good picks although I consider Norman as more of a one year wonder type. With Sherman, I get more of a system CB feel. I wouldn't bet on him killing it elsewhere if he is traded but he's good in Seattle's system. I'm not sure if that makes him overrated or not. I guess it depends on how highly you rank him to begin with. You could make a solid case for Haden as well unfortunately. Obviously injuries have hurt him but I think this year will be important in terms of figuring out if can regain his form or if he just had a short career peak.
I don't think Flacco really qualifies. Well at least not to me. I never viewed him as a star to begin with. A more apt QB would be Eli in my opinion. At WR, I'd have to go with Sammy Watkins. I wasn't a big fan of him coming out of college so I might be a tad biased but I think still think he's overrated. I really can't think of any RB's or TE's who fit the bill. I guess you could throw in Jimmy Graham but I still think he's solid. Maybe not other worldly as he was in NO but you still have to account for him.
I still don't quite understand how Luck has made this list. He has T.Y and a bunch of other small-ish receivers, a shitty line, a shitty D, and little to no run game. The fact that, when healthy, he's been able to get the Colts to the playoffs is rather impressive. For those calling him a overrated, I highly doubt you'd pass up the opportunity to see him in a Brown's uniform.
Dak, in my view, is in the Russell Wilson, is he really that good conundrum after Wilson's first year. Wilson has proved he belongs but Dak still has some work to do. Zeke still has work to do as well. If he has a slow start this year, the questions will start popping up. Granted, throwing a first year player into this topic isn't necessarily fair either.
JJ is overrated as a spokesman but not as a football player. His biggest sin is that he's just fucking annoying. We get it, you work out.
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@boo-fagley said:
JJ Watt
His picture is on milk cartons after big games. Showboat, dancing, Herman Munster, look at me axxhole in regular season games. Hey Dipshit, you are getting paid millions to go out and make plays. Cant stand watching a Texans game because the commentary drones on ad naseum about his life and what he had for breakfast.
If I am not mistaken, Ford Motor company builds a Texas pickup truck so his beloved fans can drive around Houston worshiping this clown.
Dude... with shit-stirring like that you have to be a Ghoolie alt...
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What an odd statement. Didn't know we were rated@boo-fagley said:
Pearls of wisdom from the most overrated poster on the board.
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Who in the shit is dumb enough to say JJ Watt?
With a backup of Andrew Luck. The kid that took a 1 win team to the playoffs his rookie year before a dearth of weapons and Oline play got him killed.
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I actually agree with JJ. Don't get me wrong, he is a great player, but instead of going with a second tier player and calling him a star that's overrated, I think he qualifies. Houston basically sacrifices the players around him so he can get the stats. I have heard it mentioned by several ex nfl d-lineman that a lot of players in the league would have better stats if they were allowed to do whatever they wanted to get to the qb without any lane responsibilities. We got one of their ex lineman last year and they asked him about it and he just said "no comment". Plus as far as the elite pass rushers go, he seems to get a lot more sacks of the variety where the qb gets flushed right into him. Not saying he isn't great, just don't think he is a good like most seem to think.
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Who in the shit is dumb enough to say JJ Watt?
With a backup of Andrew Luck. The kid that took a 1 win team to the playoffs his rookie year before a dearth of weapons and Oline play got him killed.
Who in the shit is dumb enough to say JJ Watt?
With a backup of Andrew Luck. The kid that took a 1 win team to the playoffs his rookie year before a dearth of weapons and Oline play got him killed.
Psst When they won a single game they were sandbagging. Remember?
WSS
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@boo-fagley said:
JJ Watt
His picture is on milk cartons after big games. Showboat, dancing, Herman Munster, look at me axxhole in regular season games. Hey Dipshit, you are getting paid millions to go out and make plays. Cant stand watching a Texans game because the commentary drones on ad naseum about his life and what he had for breakfast.
If I am not mistaken, Ford Motor company builds a Texas pickup truck so his beloved fans can drive around Houston worshiping this clown.
Texas edition pick up trucks have been around far longer than JJW.
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Psst When they won a single game they were sandbagging. Remember?
WSS
Tell that to Curtis Painter.
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I actually agree with JJ. Don't get me wrong, he is a great player, but instead of going with a second tier player and calling him a star that's overrated, I think he qualifies. Houston basically sacrifices the players around him so he can get the stats. I have heard it mentioned by several ex nfl d-lineman that a lot of players in the league would have better stats if they were allowed to do whatever they wanted to get to the qb without any lane responsibilities. We got one of their ex lineman last year and they asked him about it and he just said "no comment". Plus as far as the elite pass rushers go, he seems to get a lot more sacks of the variety where the qb gets flushed right into him. Not saying he isn't great, just don't think he is a good like most seem to think.
Pretty sure Painter was painfully aware of the circumstances... as was Kerry Collins' 39-yo body...
... and pssst... those Colts won two of their last three games...
@boo-fagley said:
Ghoolie is the King. Never be another.
I'd say that was confirmation...
Houston basically sacrifices the players around him so he can get the stats.
League history is full of Defensive stars that that were so great their "freelancing" was green-lighted...
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Andrew Luck.
The perennial go to guy for the argument that so and so is no andrew luck.
WSS
+1Andrew Luck.
The perennial go to guy for the argument that so and so is no andrew luck.
WSS
Also overused,"there's no Andrew Luck in this draft".Really ? What ever reason/excuse people want to use, Lucks not who I would reference for #1 sure fire success until I've actually seen it.
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+1Andrew Luck.
The perennial go to guy for the argument that so and so is no andrew luck.
WSS
Also overused,"there's no Andrew Luck in this draft".Really ? What ever reason/excuse people want to use, Lucks not who I would reference for #1 sure fire success until I've actually seen it.
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Also overused,"there's no Andrew Luck in this draft".Really ? What ever reason/excuse people want to use, Lucks not who I would reference for #1 sure fire success until I've actually seen it.
Cam Newton instead? At least he took his team to a Superbowl.
In fact, in the history of football drafts, the following players who were #1 overall picks at QB are the ones that have taken their team to a championship game:
Joe Namath AFL draft
Terry Bradshaw
Jim Plunkett
John Elway
Troy Aikman
Drew Bledsoe #
Peyton Manning
Eli Manning
Cam Newton #
Each of these players won a title except those marked # whose team lost in their only title game appearance (so far..in Newton's case)
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I like Cam Newton but he's at the top of my just because of the "star" part of the question.
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