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  • @unsympathetic said:

    PFF summary isn't all bad

    1) Shon Coleman graded out as our #1 player, shutting down Dunlap.

    2) Ogbah does know what it's like to do more than wear the jersey.. 1 sack, 1 hurry, 3 run stops.

    3) Kindred has 8 runstops and an 11.3 runstop percentage, both leading all safeties in the NFL.  It appears we have a SS.

    4) JT leads the NFL in passpro % at tackle, giving up 3 sacks in 68 attempts.

    5) Ogunjobi was overall the #5 Brown and is the 10th rated run stop DT in all the league.

    Consider this stat as the one to use when comparing WR's.. complex but at least it's consistent.

    6) Zane Gonzalez leads the league in lowest % of kickoffs returned.. 2 after safeties and one after a Coleman TD where he pooched it.

    Seriously guy- we got blown out by a mediocre team- at home. It's the closest I've ever come to walking out on a game early- it was a joke, a total embarrassment. 

    @hoorta said:

    Seriously guy- we got blown out by a mediocre team- at home. It's the closest I've ever come to walking out on a game early- it was a joke, a total embarrassment. 

    It had to be pretty bad to watch.  I sold my seats to a buddy.  I hope he is still my buddy!  Heading up for next weeks debacle.

  • @hoorta said:

    Seriously guy- we got blown out by a mediocre team- at home. It's the closest I've ever come to walking out on a game early- it was a joke, a total embarrassment. 

    It had to be pretty bad to watch.  I sold my seats to a buddy.  I hope he is still my buddy!  Heading up for next weeks debacle.

    @ballpeen said:

    It had to be pretty bad to watch.  I sold my seats to a buddy.  I hope he is still my buddy!  Heading up for next weeks debacle.

    It was positively putrid Russ. Horrible bad. 

    Hmmmm just maybe I'll head up again- wasn't planning on it though. 

  • I dont care what off says....did coleman really stop dunlap? I didnt see the fame but if he did, ill holler at my boy

    So we can't type "Sheet" anymore either? Fuckin' nanny state website...

    @clevfan4life said:

    I dont care what off says....did coleman really stop dunlap? I didnt see the fame but if he did, ill holler at my boy

    You rang? FWIW I don't think that much of Dunlap, Shon handled him.

    Apparently McCourty and Taylor are alternating weeks of good play.

    And FG... smiel-goal... that call on the lateral cost us a spirit raising scoop and score. That throw was the very defintion of "lateral".

  • So we can't type "Sheet" anymore either? Fuckin' nanny state website...

    @clevfan4life said:

    I dont care what off says....did coleman really stop dunlap? I didnt see the fame but if he did, ill holler at my boy

    You rang? FWIW I don't think that much of Dunlap, Shon handled him.

    Apparently McCourty and Taylor are alternating weeks of good play.

    And FG... smiel-goal... that call on the lateral cost us a spirit raising scoop and score. That throw was the very defintion of "lateral".

    @tour2ma said:

    So we can't type "Sheet" anymore either?

    We can, in fact, still type "Browns."

  • @hoorta said:

    Seriously guy- we got blown out by a mediocre team- at home. It's the closest I've ever come to walking out on a game early- it was a joke, a total embarrassment. 

    It had to be pretty bad to watch.  I sold my seats to a buddy.  I hope he is still my buddy!  Heading up for next weeks debacle.

    @ballpeen said:

    It had to be pretty bad to watch.  I sold my seats to a buddy.  I hope he is still my buddy!  Heading up for next weeks debacle.

    Hey Russ, it would be good to see ya while you're in town. Drop me a note where you'll be.

  • @tour2ma said:

    So we can't type "Sheet" anymore either?

    We can, in fact, still type "Browns."

    @unsympathetic said:

    We can, in fact, still type "Browns."

    Haha, give this guy an emoji award or something! 😁

  • So we can't type "Sheet" anymore either? Fuckin' nanny state website...

    @clevfan4life said:

    I dont care what off says....did coleman really stop dunlap? I didnt see the fame but if he did, ill holler at my boy

    You rang? FWIW I don't think that much of Dunlap, Shon handled him.

    Apparently McCourty and Taylor are alternating weeks of good play.

    And FG... smiel-goal... that call on the lateral cost us a spirit raising scoop and score. That throw was the very defintion of "lateral".

    @tour2ma said:

    So we can't type "Sheet" anymore either? Shmuckin' nanny state website...

    You rang? FWIW I don't think that much of Dunlap, Shon handled him.

    Apparently McCourty and Taylor are alternating weeks of good play.

    And FG... smiel-goal... that call on the lateral cost us a spirit raising scoop and score. That throw was the very defintion of "lateral".

    Finally got around to watching the tape Tour. Not only was that clearly a lateral (replay showed the ball didn't go one inch forward) the crack officiating crew blew a couple other calls. Was wondering why everyone was screaming "face mask" on the Bungle TD right before the half. Didn't see it- until I saw the replay. If you still have the tape, take a look. Downfield, one of our guys about has his helmet ripped off. Add in, (the announcers noted it) they missed a delay of game on Cinci big gain.  🙁

  • @tour2ma said:

    So we can't type "Sheet" anymore either? Shmuckin' nanny state website...

    You rang? FWIW I don't think that much of Dunlap, Shon handled him.

    Apparently McCourty and Taylor are alternating weeks of good play.

    And FG... smiel-goal... that call on the lateral cost us a spirit raising scoop and score. That throw was the very defintion of "lateral".

    Finally got around to watching the tape Tour. Not only was that clearly a lateral (replay showed the ball didn't go one inch forward) the crack officiating crew blew a couple other calls. Was wondering why everyone was screaming "face mask" on the Bungle TD right before the half. Didn't see it- until I saw the replay. If you still have the tape, take a look. Downfield, one of our guys about has his helmet ripped off. Add in, (the announcers noted it) they missed a delay of game on Cinci big gain.  🙁

    @hoorta said:

    Finally got around to watching the tape Tour. Not only was that clearly a lateral (replay showed the ball didn't go one inch forward) the crack officiating crew blew a couple other calls. Was wondering why everyone was screaming "face mask" on the Bungle TD right before the half. Didn't see it- until I saw the replay. If you still have the tape, take a look. Downfield, one of our guys about has his helmet ripped off. Add in, (the announcers noted it) they missed a delay of game on Cinci big gain.  🙁

    And when that clock ran out I was wondering why we didn't throw the red flag. Did we have one left to throw? And what was the official doing that is in charge of watching for that? League should fine him.

  • @tour2ma said:

    So we can't type "Sheet" anymore either? Shmuckin' nanny state website...

    You rang? FWIW I don't think that much of Dunlap, Shon handled him.

    Apparently McCourty and Taylor are alternating weeks of good play.

    And FG... smiel-goal... that call on the lateral cost us a spirit raising scoop and score. That throw was the very defintion of "lateral".

    Finally got around to watching the tape Tour. Not only was that clearly a lateral (replay showed the ball didn't go one inch forward) the crack officiating crew blew a couple other calls. Was wondering why everyone was screaming "face mask" on the Bungle TD right before the half. Didn't see it- until I saw the replay. If you still have the tape, take a look. Downfield, one of our guys about has his helmet ripped off. Add in, (the announcers noted it) they missed a delay of game on Cinci big gain.  🙁

    @hoorta said:

    ... they missed a delay of game on Cinci big gain. 

    Had forgotten about that... and the snap wasn't even close unless you count two-second late as close.

    @unsympathetic said:

    Feature article at PFF on Shon Coleman

    • Offensive tackle Shon Coleman was one of the few bright spots Sunday in the Cleveland Browns 31-7 loss against the Cincinnati Bengals. He finished the game with an overall grade of 86.3, the highest grade among all Browns’ players and the third-highest among all tackles in Week 4.
    • With a tough matchup against the 29th-rated edge defender Carlos Dunlap, Coleman held his own, allowing three total pressures (all hurries) on 47 pass snaps. He has not allowed a sack since Week 1.
    • Continually showing improvement, Coleman currently grades 18th among 68 qualifying tackles, with an overall grade of 76.4. His run-block grade of 81.5 currently ranks 18th as well.

    I am feeling a father's pride...

    If anyone still has full PFF access, I'd appreciate a note on where Schwartz lines up in the 68. I know last year he posted an 80.9 grade for the season.

  • shitShmuck 

    edit: this sucks

  • @tour2ma said:

    So we can't type "Sheet" anymore either? Shmuckin' nanny state website...

    You rang? FWIW I don't think that much of Dunlap, Shon handled him.

    Apparently McCourty and Taylor are alternating weeks of good play.

    And FG... smiel-goal... that call on the lateral cost us a spirit raising scoop and score. That throw was the very defintion of "lateral".

    Finally got around to watching the tape Tour. Not only was that clearly a lateral (replay showed the ball didn't go one inch forward) the crack officiating crew blew a couple other calls. Was wondering why everyone was screaming "face mask" on the Bungle TD right before the half. Didn't see it- until I saw the replay. If you still have the tape, take a look. Downfield, one of our guys about has his helmet ripped off. Add in, (the announcers noted it) they missed a delay of game on Cinci big gain.  🙁

    @hoorta said:

    Finally got around to watching the tape Tour. Not only was that clearly a lateral (replay showed the ball didn't go one inch forward) the crack officiating crew blew a couple other calls. Was wondering why everyone was screaming "face mask" on the Bungle TD right before the half. Didn't see it- until I saw the replay. If you still have the tape, take a look. Downfield, one of our guys about has his helmet ripped off. Add in, (the announcers noted it) they missed a delay of game on Cinci big gain.  🙁

    right on H, The women ref that blew the Skins Duke fumble blew this call by being out of position..Doubt 21-7 would have made any difference. but even with the whistle being blown..The possible TD return was dead due to whistle?..Now that pylon cam is possible, I got no clue why the down marker stick does not have a camera for LOS plays..The word "conclusive" in the rule book..Forgot the **'s with conclusive camera angle only..or it has no chance  

  • @tour2ma said:

    So we can't type "Sheet" anymore either?

    We can, in fact, still type "Browns."

    @unsympathetic said:

    We can, in fact, still type "Browns."

    Zombow wants to ban the word pee pee

  • @hoorta said:

    ... they missed a delay of game on Cinci big gain. 

    Had forgotten about that... and the snap wasn't even close unless you count two-second late as close.

    @unsympathetic said:

    Feature article at PFF on Shon Coleman

    • Offensive tackle Shon Coleman was one of the few bright spots Sunday in the Cleveland Browns 31-7 loss against the Cincinnati Bengals. He finished the game with an overall grade of 86.3, the highest grade among all Browns’ players and the third-highest among all tackles in Week 4.
    • With a tough matchup against the 29th-rated edge defender Carlos Dunlap, Coleman held his own, allowing three total pressures (all hurries) on 47 pass snaps. He has not allowed a sack since Week 1.
    • Continually showing improvement, Coleman currently grades 18th among 68 qualifying tackles, with an overall grade of 76.4. His run-block grade of 81.5 currently ranks 18th as well.

    I am feeling a father's pride...

    If anyone still has full PFF access, I'd appreciate a note on where Schwartz lines up in the 68. I know last year he posted an 80.9 grade for the season.

    @tour2ma said:

    Had forgotten about that... and the snap wasn't even close unless you count two-second late as close.

    • Offensive tackle Shon Coleman was one of the few bright spots Sunday in the Cleveland Browns 31-7 loss against the Cincinnati Bengals. He finished the game with an overall grade of 86.3, the highest grade among all Browns’ players and the third-highest among all tackles in Week 4.
    • With a tough matchup against the 29th-rated edge defender Carlos Dunlap, Coleman held his own, allowing three total pressures (all hurries) on 47 pass snaps. He has not allowed a sack since Week 1.
    • Continually showing improvement, Coleman currently grades 18th among 68 qualifying tackles, with an overall grade of 76.4. His run-block grade of 81.5 currently ranks 18th as well.

    I am feeling a father's pride...

    If anyone still has full PFF access, I'd appreciate a note on where Schwartz lines up in the 68. I know last year he posted an 80.9 grade for the season.

    Schwartz is down at #43. Grade of 53.4 on the year. 

  • Mack, however, is back at the top of the center rankings. Highest grade of all OL. 

  • @hoorta said:

    Finally got around to watching the tape Tour. Not only was that clearly a lateral (replay showed the ball didn't go one inch forward) the crack officiating crew blew a couple other calls. Was wondering why everyone was screaming "face mask" on the Bungle TD right before the half. Didn't see it- until I saw the replay. If you still have the tape, take a look. Downfield, one of our guys about has his helmet ripped off. Add in, (the announcers noted it) they missed a delay of game on Cinci big gain.  🙁

    right on H, The women ref that blew the Skins Duke fumble blew this call by being out of position..Doubt 21-7 would have made any difference. but even with the whistle being blown..The possible TD return was dead due to whistle?..Now that pylon cam is possible, I got no clue why the down marker stick does not have a camera for LOS plays..The word "conclusive" in the rule book..Forgot the **'s with conclusive camera angle only..or it has no chance  

    @gumby73 said:

    he possible TD return was dead due to whistle?

    Yup... ball should have been ours at the spot of the recovery.

    You are hearing more and more about officials not making close calls/ blowing whistles in change of possession situations so replay can sort it out. Of course that only works where replays are conclusive and can either "confirm" or "change" the (non)ruling on the field. Letting either a bad call or non-call "stand" is always going to be unsatisfying, but the percentages say that is a significant minority of replay rulings. Camera coverage is pretty damn complete for every game these days.

    @wargograw said:

    Schwartz is down at #43. Grade of 53.4 on the year. 

    Gracias... Mitchell looked pretty good the plays where I focused on him Monday nite, but not so much in the opener vs. the Pats.

    @wargograw said:

    Mack, however, is back at the top of the center rankings. Highest grade of all OL. 

    Not terribly surprising is it... but unless Julio and Sanu get back in the games PDQ that's going to change. Ryan was holding the ball longer vs. the Bills.

  • @unsympathetic said:

    We can, in fact, still type "Browns."

    Zombow wants to ban the word pee pee

    @ghoolie said:

    Zombow wants to ban the word pee pee

    It was Stan that instituted the changes, not Zombo.

  • @gumby73 said:

    he possible TD return was dead due to whistle?

    Yup... ball should have been ours at the spot of the recovery.

    You are hearing more and more about officials not making close calls/ blowing whistles in change of possession situations so replay can sort it out. Of course that only works where replays are conclusive and can either "confirm" or "change" the (non)ruling on the field. Letting either a bad call or non-call "stand" is always going to be unsatisfying, but the percentages say that is a significant minority of replay rulings. Camera coverage is pretty damn complete for every game these days.

    @wargograw said:

    Schwartz is down at #43. Grade of 53.4 on the year. 

    Gracias... Mitchell looked pretty good the plays where I focused on him Monday nite, but not so much in the opener vs. the Pats.

    @wargograw said:

    Mack, however, is back at the top of the center rankings. Highest grade of all OL. 

    Not terribly surprising is it... but unless Julio and Sanu get back in the games PDQ that's going to change. Ryan was holding the ball longer vs. the Bills.

    @tour2ma said:

    Yup... ball should have been ours at the spot of the recovery.

    You are hearing more and more about officials not making close calls/ blowing whistles in change of possession situations so replay can sort it out. Of course that only works where replays are conclusive and can either "confirm" or "change" the (non)ruling on the field. Letting either a bad call or non-call "stand" is always going to be unsatisfying, but the percentages say that is a significant minority of replay rulings. Camera coverage is pretty damn complete for every game these days.

    N.Y. (or whomever reviewed it) was way wrong on that and it was no stretch at all to see it was a lateral. More than enough evidence for the "overcall".

  • @ghoolie said:

    Zombow wants to ban the word pee pee

    It was Stan that instituted the changes, not Zombo.

    @the-gipper said:

    It was Stan that instituted the changes, not Zombo.

    Because every other word from a certain poster was gutter language. Take a bow.

  • @the-gipper said:

    It was Stan that instituted the changes, not Zombo.

    Because every other word from a certain poster was gutter language. Take a bow.

    @hoorta said:

    Because every other word from a certain poster was gutter language. Take a bow.

    And just Whoolie would that certain poster have been?