Ok are we done with hogan now?

PoeticG

You are having a bad day, clearly, but relax a little, Hogan isn't as bad as you think he is.

He is better than Kizer. Kevin Hogan struggled today because of penalties, no calls, young WRs and bad play calling.

Hogan's "3" INTs...

1 came at the half, no points.

The pick 6 looked like Duke should have continued his route to the outside, he slows and turns because he open but the pass was supposed to be further out to the first down. Duke jumped a little early as well. Actually the pass looked like it could have been deflected outside, wide of Duke... hmm. Never want those to happen but like I said, Watson had one of those today as well. Shon Coleman got man handled as well on the play...

The other INT came on the sidelines on a deepball, that is on the WR, the WR let the Corner pin him to the sidelines and just take the ball. The WR was actually Duke Johnson.

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@hoorta said:

Hahahaha. You're dreaming TC. Out played after 15 minutes AGAIN I don't care if Tom Brady was qbing the Browns. That was another ugly blowout.

Yes it was, because we are a bad young team. That’s what happens to bad young teams, regardless of who’s at QB.

@poeticg said:

Hogan will be much better next week vs the Titans.

I’m sure he’ll be just fine on the bench next week.

D Bone

Where's Spergon Wynn when you need him?

Dutch Oven

Just stop PoG, you're embarrassing yourself.

We all watched the game.

hoorta

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Yes it was, because we are a bad young team. That’s what happens to bad young teams, regardless of who’s at QB.

I’m sure he’ll be just fine on the bench next week.

Bad young teams don't lose this badly. TC. This is demonstrably worse than 1999.

+ This isn't a rookie defense.

hx214

I can't believe Hue let him play the 2nd half.

Any pass over 10 yards the defense could set a tent up under it.

Arm is weaker than Brian Hoyer's.

Might even have played himself out of the backup role today.

PoeticG

What did I say that you don't agree with?

Young WRs made some rookie mistakes that turned out pretty costly?

The Defense let Watson toast them?

The Texans were the more physical and disciplined team today.

They won, no excuses about that from me.

Credit to Houston.

On to the next one.

Hogan is the answer. We need to play better around him.

Dutch Oven

@poeticg said:

On to the next one.

Hogan is the answer. We need to play better around him.

What is the question?

What backup QB showed no arm strength and even less accuracy vs the Houston Texans on October 15th, 2017 for the Cleveland Browns?

hx214

@poeticg said:

Hogan is the answer. We need to play better around him.

Ya.... your seriously reaching man.

The guy has no arm. The only thing you could say about him before was he put the ball where it needed to be....today in the starting role he Sheet his pants and let more than 10 balls sail WAY over there target.

His throws were so bad, on the Pass Interferance call at the end of the game they had to pick the flag up because he threw the ball so far over the WR's head they called it uncatchable...

nevermind.... I just read the post that you blamed Duke for the pick 6. I'll just move on with my life. Carry on.

PoeticG

Arm strength? What are you talking about? Less accuracy? Again, what are you talking about?

I just told you that the WRs were responsible for some of the issues.

Is Kevin Hogan perfect? Not at all. He's got a lot of room to grow, it's his first game.

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@hoorta said:

Bad young teams don't lose this badly. TC. This is demonstrably worse than 1999.

+ This isn't a rookie defense.

There are two rookies starting, our MLB has zero starts prior to this season, our DT has zero starts before this season, our SS has only four starts before this season.

Outside of Collins and JMac, our next most veteran player is...Kirksey? A guy who wasn’t even considered a full time starter until last season? Shelton... a guy drafted two years ago?

That’s pretty Shmucking close to a rookie defense.

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@poeticg said:

Arm strength? What are you talking about? Less accuracy? Again, what are you talking about?

I just told you that the WRs were responsible for some of the issues.

Is Kevin Hogan perfect? Not at all. He's got a lot of room to grow, it's his first game.

And his last one. The dude is awful.

SD_Tom

Seriously- Kap would be light years better than any QB on this trainwreck of a team. It's a disgrace to have an NFL team roster with ZERO QB WINS COMBINED.

I only wished watson would've had 4-5 TD passes. he's more valuable than Peppers, Njoku and Kizer combined.

SD_Tom

And yeah, I want Wentz and Watson to light it up every single week, so our dipshit office can see how bad they messed up two drafts in a row.

Marc1971

@calfoxwc said:

Hogan injured his ribs, threw pitifully after that. Need a couple top wr's in the draft. The so cal qb doesn't impress me,

and I wouldn't draft the other stooge either. Too bad for Hogan , he went against a killer defense, even without Watt.

Defense needs a shutdown corner or two.... I think I'll do a mock draft after this game.

Our so-called QB's... that's been the case for 18 years now, don't know if to laugh or cry.

@hoorta said:

So give me your analysis what we need to be a "good" team? Kizer sucks, Hogan sucks, Hue sucks, Sashi sucks. Have I covered the bases?

You forgot Jimmy and mrs Jimmy.

@hoorta said:

Hahahaha. You're dreaming TC. Out played after 15 minutes AGAIN I don't care if Tom Brady was qbing the Browns. That was another ugly blowout.

Bring in Tom Brady, or Matt Ryan or whoever and we still won't win because though QB is a big issue and has been for 18 years, it isn't our only deficiency...

Hempman

Sorry, but Hogan would have been better with no prep. Nobody has a clue what they are supposed to do. Coming off the bench at halftime, just leads toward reaction by both the QB and pass catcher. Watson was pretty meh as well. BoB called screen after screen. Every vertical pass down the middle of the field, he struggled with.

Brady would not play for Hue Jackson. He should be fired.

hoorta

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

There are two rookies starting, our MLB has zero starts prior to this season, our DT has zero starts before this season, our SS has only four starts before this season.

Outside of Collins and JMac, our next most veteran player is...Kirksey? A guy who wasn’t even considered a full time starter until last season? Shelton... a guy drafted two years ago?

That’s pretty Shmucking close to a rookie defense.

Obviously 2nd year players don't count

bbedward

Hogan sucked but I don't think starting him was the wrong call. Kizer hasn't done better

Marc1971

@d-bone said:

Where's Spergon Wynn when you need him?

I want Tim Couch back.

gumby73

Today we all saw why even Andy Reid was sending Hogan to PS. To a talent-less roster Hue saw a spark that Hogan gave our offense..JUST LIKE WE DID.. The Truth is Poe, Hogan has had Back-up Reps for Weeks than 1st team reps this past week. Can't explain Hogans poor release point for ball sailing high? But from playing the TE position before, What Hogan & Kessler can't do is be late on sideline routes & back shoulder throws..The CB/S's in this league run faster than their ball is moving..What's even more sad is Hue called for a bunch of them. Hue showed me today with his almost pouting on the sideline looks, he wants Kizer out there..Someone up above him does not. scripted for failure today? Maybe..