The Browns could land a damaged Andrew Luck for the right price.

Dutch Oven

@skippinturtles said:

Dealing for Luck is a MASSIVE gamble. Draft a QB with the first round pick and pray #12 works out.

Wait, I'm confused... Are you saying the Browns should trade for Luck AND take a QB #1 overall?

The Gipper

@mjp28 said:

I knew a couple of guys that knew Danny personally, no kidding! Quite an "interesting" and fun guy.

I did not know him.....at all.

I knew some guys that knew Danny Green as well. They liked him. They said Danny Green was The Bomb. (err, or was that Danny Green was going to be bombed?) Well....one or the other. Can't recall specifically right now.

The Gipper

@boo-fagley said:

So what? Ryan Fitzpatrick went to Harvard. You want him too?

Elway is not known for being a genius. Look at the cast of bums he drafted to play QB.

You don't follow along very well.....the OP said that Andrew LUck was a Stanford numbskull. I pointed out that Stanford may be the premier academic institution in the country....

Besides, everyone know that Harvard takes a back seat to Cornell.

But this conversation had nothing to do with football acumem.

The Gipper

@boo-fagley said:

Makes no sense to trade for a used Andy Luck when the Browns can draft a brand new QB and get him in his prime at probably less money.

I went to Carmax. I could buy a spanking new vehicle with 1 mile on it for the same price of their 30,000 mile shined up jalopies. No to QBmax.

Just a fact: Nearly half of the Super Bowl winning QBs were not drafted by the team they won the SB with.

Just pointing out that sometimes it does not hurt to bring in an experienced guy.

pikeyM27

For $5m a year Browns might be lucky to get Anderson. You know, the guy who actually won games...

SkippinTurtles

@dutch-oven said:

Wait, I'm confused... Are you saying the Browns should trade for Luck AND take a QB #1 overall?

Yes. The Redskins drafted Kirk Cousins as insurance after trading for RG3. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.

The Gipper

@skippinturtles said:

Yes. The Redskins drafted Kirk Cousins as insurance after trading for RG3. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.

Or, maybe we just do what the Skins did: Draft a QB in round one....and another in round 4.

It can't hurt......and this FO has certainly blown enough 3rd/4th round picks.....getting another "egg" would be no big deal.

Tour2ma

Sounds like my Rosen/Benkert plan...

I would not be shocked if they actually did it. The WR net the cast in 2016 was essentially that approach. And this draft will be the draft to fill our near, QB void.

TexasAg1969

@tour2ma said:

Sounds like my Rosen/Benkert plan...

I would not be shocked if they actually did it. The WR net the cast in 2016 was essentially that approach. And this draft will be the draft to fill our near, QB void.

Interesting I've been thinking along the same lines of 1st overall and a 2nd rounder. It's a deeper class than anyone we have now in that position.

EDITL: However if Allen is there to pick in the 2nd, please use it on a WR, FS or some other position of greater need.

flyingfooldoug

@boo-fagley said:

Awesome, you have a 49% chance at winning a Super Bowl.

A cursory list - Brady has 5, E Manning has 2, Ben has 2, Wilson has 1, Flacco has 1, Rodgers has 1, Elway has 2. Over the last 15 years the team that drafted its QB has won the Super Bowl.

And without one the odds are.... Zero!

Dutch Oven

@skippinturtles said:

Yes. The Redskins drafted Kirk Cousins as insurance after trading for RG3. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.

So if the Browns used their #1 overall on a QB, what would you give up to get Luck?

Westside Steve

@dutch-oven said:

So if the Browns used their #1 overall on a QB, what would you give up to get Luck?

Kizer?

WSS the

Westside Steve

On the other hand not even that unless anybody here sees Andrew Luck as being a crafty old veteran who could mentor our high draft pick.

Rather than the guy that never lived up to the hype that he actually is.

WSS the

Nero

@boo-fagley said:

Awesome, you have a 49% chance at winning a Super Bowl.

A cursory list - Brady has 5, E Manning has 2, Ben has 2, Wilson has 1, Flacco has 1, Rodgers has 1, Elway has 2. Over the last 15 years the team that drafted its QB has won the Super Bowl.

Eli Manning was drafted by the then San Diego Chargers. It was a hell of a moment to forget about it.

See the enthusiasm?

TexasAg1969

@nero said:

Eli Manning was drafted by the then San Diego Chargers. It was a hell of a moment to forget about it.

See the enthusiasm?

LOL! Mom tells the most truth.

The Gipper

@tour2ma said:

Sounds like my Rosen/Benkert plan...

I would not be shocked if they actually did it. The WR net the cast in 2016 was essentially that approach. And this draft will be the draft to fill our near, QB void.

Or Rudolph/Falk?

The Gipper

@boo-fagley said:

Awesome, you have a 49% chance at winning a Super Bowl.

A cursory list - Brady has 5, E Manning has 2, Ben has 2, Wilson has 1, Flacco has 1, Rodgers has 1, Elway has 2. Over the last 15 years the team that drafted its QB has won the Super Bowl.

Peyton Manning was not drafted by the Broncos.....Colts

Drew Brees was not drafted by the Saints....Chargers

Eli Manning was not drafted by the Giants....Chargers

Brad Johnson was not drafted by the Bucs....Vikings

So you are factually, demonstrably wrong.

And you included Elway....he was not drafted by the Broncos....Colts

And if you are going back....none of these SB winners won with the team that drafted them:

Dilfer

Warner

Young

Favre

Williams

Plunkett

Unitas

Dawson

Theisman

The Gipper

@boo-fagley said:

I follow along just fine.

Apparently not so much

The person that I responded to was extolling the virtues of a Stanford education as if it is some factor playing QB in the NFL. When in fact playing at Stanford doe not amount to a hill of beans.Just like playing at Harvard. Luck is never going to be Elway. Elway was a winner his whole career going back to Pop Warner. Luck might be the next Jim Plunkett, but Im not betting a dollar that he will be.

Notre Dame is not a QB factory either. A Notre Dame interception looks just like a Stanford interception, though 1 cost more.

I was taking the whole football factor out of it. Sure....a guy that went to Stanford (see Browns #1 overall QB Bobby Garrett) may not have any advantage at playing QB than a guy that went to North Dakota St.

But the fact is....academically speaking, Stanford is right at the top of the pinnacle of education in this country (which makes it there for the entire world).

Tour2ma

While technically accurrate, Gip, many on your list violate the spirit of the discussion, e.g., E. Manning, who never played with the team that drafted him. And many others are simply journeymen who fell into te right situation and/or had a career year. Even P. Manning won one for his original team, so at minimum bsides falling into the right situation he counts on both sides of the argument.

@texasag1969 said:

Interesting I've been thinking along the same lines of 1st overall and a 2nd rounder. It's a deeper class than anyone we have now in that position.

EDITL: However if Allen is there to pick in the 2nd, please use it on a WR, FS or some other position of greater need.

First, not sure how you'll know Allen will be there in the 2nd when you are picking #1 overall...

Second, you just may like my "Way Too Early" mock... or at least Round 1.

@westside-steve said:

On the other hand not even that unless anybody here sees Andrew Luck as being a crafty old veteran who could mentor our high draft pick.

Rather than the guy that never lived up to the hype that he actually is.

Not really a fair assessment. Kid had a lot to do with the three 11-5 seasons the Colts posted in his first three years. We know this since about the same Manningless team went 2-14 to win the Luck Lottery.

@the-gipper said:

Or Rudolph/Falk?

Not for me... just not anywhere near the same quality IMO. Not even near anywhere near...

Westside Steve

Sandbagging old chum, sandbagging.

WSS