Should we draft a quarterback 1st overall?
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I love how people wail ceaselessly about us trading out of goff and wentz. Now want us trade out of rosen/darnold/allen etc. All who at this point of their careers faced much tougher opponents than wentz did.
Look perhaps personal issues crop up with rosen. But as of right now that kids the clear eye test winner. I pointed out a play he made against the usc game where he exhibited poise in the face of a free charging pass rusher that i honestly cant remember seeing from anyone, especially in college. Freezing the rusher with a pump fake aimed directly at him allowing an underneath crossing route to come free for a first down......i mean damn. Its easy to get googly eyed by arm talent....weedon.....but that kind of pocket poise is almost more important
I agree about Rosen. Mighty impressive. Bruins bowl eligible.
So you want to disregard stats when discussing Allen's faults? Alright then.
Let's discuss his horrible mechanics and the massive jump from the poor competition he mostly faced to the NFL then.
And trust me cal, a lot of us really know why you don't like Rosen.
Cal is hanging on preseason reports. Finally got around to watching the Wyoming- AF game. Allen looked OK, best I've seen out of him - until he got hurt. MHO? He's no Rosen or Mayfield though.
FWIW, latest Walter Football mock has us taking Rosen #1 overall, Allen lasts until late first round.
I agree about Rosen. Mighty impressive. Bruins bowl eligible.
Cal is hanging on preseason reports. Finally got around to watching the Wyoming- AF game. Allen looked OK, best I've seen out of him - until he got hurt. MHO? He's no Rosen or Mayfield though.
FWIW, latest Walter Football mock has us taking Rosen #1 overall, Allen lasts until late first round.
Rosen is a prick. He is Kaepernick II. His own teammates don't like him. He's a whiner. And per Walter football,
he needs to learn to quicken his progression reads. He is a MESS off the field. The Browns will not draft him.
One anonymous AFC scouting director isn’t too keen on Rosen.
“I think all three (this year) are bottom 10 starters, maybe Mahomes with his upside creeps in to the bottom 15,” he told King. “The kid from USC has a chance; Rosen has a ton of ability but tons of issues, like dedication, to work through. And the Wyoming kid is a big, talented player. It’s a good group. It should be much better than this group.”
A second executive, also from the AFC, has a similar take.
• Rosen: “He’s the one I know the best—he’s got size, athletic tools, velocity. He’s just a mess off the field and he’s coming off the injury. He needs to grow up, but the talent is off the charts.”
The phrases “tons of issues” and “a mess off the field” suggest a growing narrative. It’s always difficult to assess the validity of these claims without knowing what they are based on or the availability of any specifics. We do know that Rosen had a hot tub in his dorm, but had to remove it. He cares not for university housing code, apparently.
And yet Rosen has also showed signs of immaturity—two years ago he and some friends rearranged a neighbor’s lawn ornaments in sexually suggestive positions—and just plain poor judgment. Since arriving at UCLA he has set off a social media firestorm over presidential politics, deleted at least one provocative Instagram post and been forced to apologize to the school. The coach is constantly asking Rosen whom he wants to be: Peyton Manning or Johnny Manziel?
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Rosen is a party boy hippo's butt. Who wants a qb that ends up getting suspended every so often in the NFL?
Preseason reports - show him to be a mess off the field. He's worse than JM, and
worse than Mayfield, and I wouldn't draft Mayfield either. Character, love for the game,
intangibles matter. and Rosen fails the grade.
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I don't see love of the game with rosen - just a physically gifted punk with a fat mouth.
2. Josh Rosen, UCLA (34 points, 3 first-place votes, 8 ballots): The Bruins are 3-3, but it’s hard to pin that on Rosen. He’s played from behind a bunch and still has the best completion percentage of his career (64.2) while throwing for 2,354 yards and 17 touchdowns through six games. That said, he’s been a little sloppy with the ball at times.
3. Josh Allen, Wyoming (23 points, 1 first-place vote, 8 ballots): Allen’s numbers are mediocre and his team is 4-2. But there’s youth all around him and scouts trust the talent. One voter put him first, and another put him in front of Rosen.
I'd draft Faulk before rosen. you want stats... look at his passing percentage. But it seems to me, Faulk and Allen love the game.
rosen loves only himself.
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I don't see love of the game with rosen - just a physically gifted punk with a fat mouth.
2. Josh Rosen, UCLA (34 points, 3 first-place votes, 8 ballots): The Bruins are 3-3, but it’s hard to pin that on Rosen. He’s played from behind a bunch and still has the best completion percentage of his career (64.2) while throwing for 2,354 yards and 17 touchdowns through six games. That said, he’s been a little sloppy with the ball at times.
3. Josh Allen, Wyoming (23 points, 1 first-place vote, 8 ballots): Allen’s numbers are mediocre and his team is 4-2. But there’s youth all around him and scouts trust the talent. One voter put him first, and another put him in front of Rosen.
I'd draft Faulk before rosen. you want stats... look at his passing percentage. But it seems to me, Faulk and Allen love the game.
rosen loves only himself.
I don't see love of the game with rosen - just a physically gifted punk with a fat mouth.
2. Josh Rosen, UCLA (34 points, 3 first-place votes, 8 ballots): The Bruins are 3-3, but it’s hard to pin that on Rosen. He’s played from behind a bunch and still has the best completion percentage of his career (64.2) while throwing for 2,354 yards and 17 touchdowns through six games. That said, he’s been a little sloppy with the ball at times.
3. Josh Allen, Wyoming (23 points, 1 first-place vote, 8 ballots): Allen’s numbers are mediocre and his team is 4-2. But there’s youth all around him and scouts trust the talent. One voter put him first, and another put him in front of Rosen.
I'd draft Faulk before rosen. you want stats... look at his passing percentage. But it seems to me, Faulk and Allen love the game.
rosen loves only himself.
Who was #1 on this list you pasted?
Let me guess: Mason Rudolph.
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Rosen is a party boy hippo's butt. Who wants a qb that ends up getting suspended every so often in the NFL?
Preseason reports - show him to be a mess off the field. He's worse than JM, and
worse than Mayfield, and I wouldn't draft Mayfield either. Character, love for the game,
intangibles matter. and Rosen fails the grade.
Rosen is a party boy hippo's butt. Who wants a qb that ends up getting suspended every so often in the NFL?
Preseason reports - show him to be a mess off the field. He's worse than JM, and
worse than Mayfield, and I wouldn't draft Mayfield either. Character, love for the game,
intangibles matter. and Rosen fails the grade.
Again- going by preseason reports. Saying Rosen can't change? Favre was a party boy in Atlanta. Mayfield had what? One major incident? Like no one ever gets $hit faced drunk in college? Baker apologized profusely for his actions when they played Kansas, I don't recall Manziel ever saying he was sorry for anything.
If you don't have the tangibles, the intangibles don't matter Cal. At the very least Allen is a project with a capital P. We've duly noted he's not very accurate either- and don't bring up the lame argument he has no one to throw to. Didya know Mr. Scattershot Kizer had a better completion % than Allen at Notre Dame? Let that factoid distill in you for a minute or two. Allen wasn't any better in that regard last year. also broken collarbone a few years back, and injured shoulder against Air Force. So sure, let's draft Deshone's clone in the first round no less.
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I agree about Rosen. Mighty impressive. Bruins bowl eligible.
Cal is hanging on preseason reports. Finally got around to watching the Wyoming- AF game. Allen looked OK, best I've seen out of him - until he got hurt. MHO? He's no Rosen or Mayfield though.
FWIW, latest Walter Football mock has us taking Rosen #1 overall, Allen lasts until late first round.
Rosen is a prick. He is Kaepernick II. His own teammates don't like him. He's a whiner. And per Walter football,
he needs to learn to quicken his progression reads. He is a MESS off the field. The Browns will not draft him.
One anonymous AFC scouting director isn’t too keen on Rosen.
“I think all three (this year) are bottom 10 starters, maybe Mahomes with his upside creeps in to the bottom 15,” he told King. “The kid from USC has a chance; Rosen has a ton of ability but tons of issues, like dedication, to work through. And the Wyoming kid is a big, talented player. It’s a good group. It should be much better than this group.”
A second executive, also from the AFC, has a similar take.
• Rosen: “He’s the one I know the best—he’s got size, athletic tools, velocity. He’s just a mess off the field and he’s coming off the injury. He needs to grow up, but the talent is off the charts.”
The phrases “tons of issues” and “a mess off the field” suggest a growing narrative. It’s always difficult to assess the validity of these claims without knowing what they are based on or the availability of any specifics. We do know that Rosen had a hot tub in his dorm, but had to remove it. He cares not for university housing code, apparently.
And yet Rosen has also showed signs of immaturity—two years ago he and some friends rearranged a neighbor’s lawn ornaments in sexually suggestive positions—and just plain poor judgment. Since arriving at UCLA he has set off a social media firestorm over presidential politics, deleted at least one provocative Instagram post and been forced to apologize to the school. The coach is constantly asking Rosen whom he wants to be: Peyton Manning or Johnny Manziel?
“I think all three (this year) are bottom 10 starters, maybe Mahomes with his upside creeps in to the bottom 15,” he told King.
I'm sensing a 2016/2017 evaluation.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I don't see love of the game with rosen - just a physically gifted punk with a fat mouth.
2. Josh Rosen, UCLA (34 points, 3 first-place votes, 8 ballots): The Bruins are 3-3, but it’s hard to pin that on Rosen. He’s played from behind a bunch and still has the best completion percentage of his career (64.2) while throwing for 2,354 yards and 17 touchdowns through six games. That said, he’s been a little sloppy with the ball at times.
3. Josh Allen, Wyoming (23 points, 1 first-place vote, 8 ballots): Allen’s numbers are mediocre and his team is 4-2. But there’s youth all around him and scouts trust the talent. One voter put him first, and another put him in front of Rosen.
I'd draft Faulk before rosen. you want stats... look at his passing percentage. But it seems to me, Faulk and Allen love the game.
rosen loves only himself.
I don't see love of the game with rosen - just a physically gifted punk with a fat mouth.
2. Josh Rosen, UCLA (34 points, 3 first-place votes, 8 ballots): The Bruins are 3-3, but it’s hard to pin that on Rosen. He’s played from behind a bunch and still has the best completion percentage of his career (64.2) while throwing for 2,354 yards and 17 touchdowns through six games. That said, he’s been a little sloppy with the ball at times.
3. Josh Allen, Wyoming (23 points, 1 first-place vote, 8 ballots): Allen’s numbers are mediocre and his team is 4-2. But there’s youth all around him and scouts trust the talent. One voter put him first, and another put him in front of Rosen.
I'd draft Faulk before rosen. you want stats... look at his passing percentage. But it seems to me, Faulk and Allen love the game.
rosen loves only himself.
Unsubstantiated opinion Cal. Just because you "love the game" won't make you a great qb. Believe what you want. Interviews will tell all. We don't even know for sure which underclassmen will declare. Allen, Rosen, and Darnold may all stay in school. Mayfield Faulk, and Rudolph are seniors.
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I'm sensing a 2016/2017 evaluation.
Cal is behind the times- he's also using preseason evaluations of Rosen. Probably didn't watch JR play USC or Cal either. FWIW, I've seen Rosen make passes Kizer can only dream about making.
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Rosen ain't stayin'... not with the Chipster coming to town.
Plus Darnold (again) refuted all reports of him saying he'd stay in to avoid us... but I think he stays in. Seems to have a love of college ala Leinart.
Allen? Haven't seen enough to know enough to care at this point.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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Cal is behind the times- he's also using preseason evaluations of Rosen. Probably didn't watch JR play USC or Cal either. FWIW, I've seen Rosen make passes Kizer can only dream about making.
nopie. I did watch ucla vs socal. rosen's qb skills are impressive. but it ends there. he's a jackwad prick to his teammates,
even had to get a girlfriend however temporary from ANOTHER SCHOOL. seriously, he's a jerk. I'm not drafting him if I was drafting.
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Rosen ain't stayin'... not with the Chipster coming to town.
Plus Darnold (again) refuted all reports of him saying he'd stay in to avoid us... but I think he stays in. Seems to have a love of college ala Leinart.
Allen? Haven't seen enough to know enough to care at this point.
Rosen ain't stayin'... not with the Chipster coming to town.
Plus Darnold (again) refuted all reports of him saying he'd stay in to avoid us... but I think he stays in. Seems to have a love of college ala Leinart.
Allen? Haven't seen enough to know enough to care at this point.
You'll get to see Allen one more time in a bowl game Tour. I've watched 4 of Allen's games (every pass) so far. Me and Ag have the same opinion, just no. To do a Ghoolie impression- he's a white Deshone Kizer- and yeah, I know one of Kizer's parents is white. The only game I've seen where Allen looked 1\2 decent was against a sub-talented Air Force team- and then he got hurt in it, to top it off.....
Noted that when the competition heats up, Josh cools off. Anyone can look great against Gardner Webb (I bet Cal a root Beer if he could tell me what state that school is in without looking) against Iowa or Boise State? Not so much. And that's worlds below any scrub team in the NFL- like the Browns.
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Cal is behind the times- he's also using preseason evaluations of Rosen. Probably didn't watch JR play USC or Cal either. FWIW, I've seen Rosen make passes Kizer can only dream about making.
nopie. I did watch ucla vs socal. rosen's qb skills are impressive. but it ends there. he's a jackwad prick to his teammates,
even had to get a girlfriend however temporary from ANOTHER SCHOOL. seriously, he's a jerk. I'm not drafting him if I was drafting.
nopie. I did watch ucla vs socal. rosen's qb skills are impressive. but it ends there. he's a jackwad prick to his teammates,
even had to get a girlfriend however temporary from ANOTHER SCHOOL. seriously, he's a jerk. I'm not drafting him if I was drafting.
Fortunately, you're not doing the drafting- and neither am I.
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I don't see love of the game with rosen - just a physically gifted punk with a fat mouth.
2. Josh Rosen, UCLA (34 points, 3 first-place votes, 8 ballots): The Bruins are 3-3, but it’s hard to pin that on Rosen. He’s played from behind a bunch and still has the best completion percentage of his career (64.2) while throwing for 2,354 yards and 17 touchdowns through six games. That said, he’s been a little sloppy with the ball at times.
3. Josh Allen, Wyoming (23 points, 1 first-place vote, 8 ballots): Allen’s numbers are mediocre and his team is 4-2. But there’s youth all around him and scouts trust the talent. One voter put him first, and another put him in front of Rosen.
I'd draft Faulk before rosen. you want stats... look at his passing percentage. But it seems to me, Faulk and Allen love the game.
rosen loves only himself.
Who was #1 on this list you pasted?
Let me guess: Mason Rudolph.
Who was #1 on this list you pasted?
Let me guess: Mason Rudolph.
That’s why I figured, here at the midway point of college football’s regular season, the time was right to poll experienced NFL evaluators (I got eight of them on the panel) who’ve watched these quarterbacks on where they stand now. The concept here is easy: Rank them 1-5, with five points for first place, four for second, and so on. These are the results from Monday’s polling:
1. Sam Darnold, USC (35 points, 4 first-place votes, appeared on all 8 ballots): Darnold’s been uneven this year, without question, having already matched his interception total from last year. But the feeling I’ve gotten is that scouts will cut him some slack because of the offensive line issues the Trojans are having. The biggest criticism is that he’s trying to do too much, not unlike what Jameis Winston his final year at Florida State
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Who was #1 on this list you pasted?
Let me guess: Mason Rudolph.
That’s why I figured, here at the midway point of college football’s regular season, the time was right to poll experienced NFL evaluators (I got eight of them on the panel) who’ve watched these quarterbacks on where they stand now. The concept here is easy: Rank them 1-5, with five points for first place, four for second, and so on. These are the results from Monday’s polling:
1. Sam Darnold, USC (35 points, 4 first-place votes, appeared on all 8 ballots): Darnold’s been uneven this year, without question, having already matched his interception total from last year. But the feeling I’ve gotten is that scouts will cut him some slack because of the offensive line issues the Trojans are having. The biggest criticism is that he’s trying to do too much, not unlike what Jameis Winston his final year at Florida State
That’s why I figured, here at the midway point of college football’s regular season, the time was right to poll experienced NFL evaluators (I got eight of them on the panel) who’ve watched these quarterbacks on where they stand now. The concept here is easy: Rank them 1-5, with five points for first place, four for second, and so on. These are the results from Monday’s polling:
1. Sam Darnold, USC (35 points, 4 first-place votes, appeared on all 8 ballots): Darnold’s been uneven this year, without question, having already matched his interception total from last year. But the feeling I’ve gotten is that scouts will cut him some slack because of the offensive line issues the Trojans are having. The biggest criticism is that he’s trying to do too much, not unlike what Jameis Winston his final year at Florida State
You have to know I was on the "Suck for Sam" train, until Mark sort of derailed it saying he's probably not going to declare... And if it will make you happy- I'd rather have Allen than Lamar Jackson.
Hoorta Ranking 11\30 (assuming they all declare)
1A: Darnold 1B rosen
2: Mayfield
3: Allen
4: Rudolph
5: Faulk
6: Jackson
For your reading enjoyment heeerrrsss Walter.... http://walterfootball.com/draft2018QB.php
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trouble is, those rankings don't include character, love of the game, work ethic,
leadership and intangibles. by many reports, rosen is a bootywhole, a real prick to his
'teammates. Therefore, he really isn't any more the best qb in this class than Ryan Leaf was.
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trouble is, those rankings don't include character, love of the game, work ethic,
leadership and intangibles. by many reports, rosen is a bootywhole, a real prick to his
'teammates. Therefore, he really isn't any more the best qb in this class than Ryan Leaf was.
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It's so painfully obvious why cal has this raging hard-on for Rosen, waste a minute of your life by venturing over to the political forum to see for yourself. I can visualize him with his red MAGA hat angrily typing his "ROSEN IS A DBAG LIKE KAEPERNICK" nonsense.
Rosen could be a world-class jerk, in fact until I find out more about him I'm still hesitant to go all-in on the Rosen Bandwagon, but I find it interesting how much time cal rails on about Rosen (an outspoken opponent of Trump) but rarely brings up the sizable personality questions about Baker Mayfield, who gets as much love on this board as a potential Browns pick as Rosen does at this point.
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It's so painfully obvious why cal has this raging hard-on for Rosen, waste a minute of your life by venturing over to the political forum to see for yourself. I can visualize him with his red MAGA hat angrily typing his "ROSEN IS A DBAG LIKE KAEPERNICK" nonsense.
Rosen could be a world-class jerk, in fact until I find out more about him I'm still hesitant to go all-in on the Rosen Bandwagon, but I find it interesting how much time cal rails on about Rosen (an outspoken opponent of Trump) but rarely brings up the sizable personality questions about Baker Mayfield, who gets as much love on this board as a potential Browns pick as Rosen does at this point.
It's so painfully obvious why cal has this raging hard-on for Rosen, waste a minute of your life by venturing over to the political forum to see for yourself. I can visualize him with his red MAGA hat angrily typing his "ROSEN IS A DBAG LIKE KAEPERNICK" nonsense.
Rosen could be a world-class jerk, in fact until I find out more about him I'm still hesitant to go all-in on the Rosen Bandwagon, but I find it interesting how much time cal rails on about Rosen (an outspoken opponent of Trump) but rarely brings up the sizable personality questions about Baker Mayfield, who gets as much love on this board as a potential Browns pick as Rosen does at this point.
Ah, I see the light now. & BTW, just because you're a Republican doesn't mean you have to like Trump either- at all. Plenty of us #Never Trump Republicans out there. I'll leave the politics at that.
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It's so painfully obvious why cal has this raging hard-on for Rosen, waste a minute of your life by venturing over to the political forum to see for yourself. I can visualize him with his red MAGA hat angrily typing his "ROSEN IS A DBAG LIKE KAEPERNICK" nonsense.
Rosen could be a world-class jerk, in fact until I find out more about him I'm still hesitant to go all-in on the Rosen Bandwagon, but I find it interesting how much time cal rails on about Rosen (an outspoken opponent of Trump) but rarely brings up the sizable personality questions about Baker Mayfield, who gets as much love on this board as a potential Browns pick as Rosen does at this point.
Ah, I see the light now. & BTW, just because you're a Republican doesn't mean you have to like Trump either- at all. Plenty of us #Never Trump Republicans out there. I'll leave the politics at that.
Ah, I see the light now. & BTW, just because you're a Republican doesn't mean you have to like Trump either- at all. Plenty of us #Never Trump Republicans out there. I'll leave the politics at that.
Absolutely hoorta.
People are going to like who they like, and dislike who they don't. All I'm asking is to be honest and upfront about it.
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