Should we draft a quarterback 1st overall?
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I doubt there is enough money to lure Cousins to Cleveland. Someone would have to abduct his wife in a "Taken" scenario where Cousins has a particular set of skills and thus has to make the playoffs in order to save his old lady.
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Cousins will end up with a team that is just lacking a QB to make a decent run (i.e. Jacksonville).
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with all the great talent in this next qb class, if Lee is in the 2018 draft - my two picks for the Browns
are Allen and Lee. Argue stats forever, but stats don't make the case entirely at all.
So you want to disregard stats when discussing Allen's faults? Alright then.
Let's discuss his horrible mechanics and the massive jump from the poor competition he mostly faced to the NFL then.
And trust me cal, a lot of us really know why you don't like Rosen.
So you want to disregard stats when discussing Allen's faults? Alright then.
Let's discuss his horrible mechanics and the massive jump from the poor competition he mostly faced to the NFL then.
And trust me cal, a lot of us really know why you don't like Rosen.
Why because ha is Jewish
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Cousins will end up with a team that is just lacking a QB to make a decent run (i.e. Jacksonville).
Cousins will end up with a team that is just lacking a QB to make a decent run (i.e. Jacksonville).
Ultimately I agree with you, but I can't shake the feeling that our team has SOMETHING big planned. Maybe it's something like trading/signing McCarron, or perhaps we're trying for a bigger name like Cousins. The guy I keep coming back to is Alex Smith. He's obviously no spring chicken at 33 years old, but he plays smart and doesn't take TOO many hits. He completes a very high percentage of passes and doesn't turn the ball over (19 tds, 4 picks, 69% completion). Also, the Chiefs are in a huge rut and they drafted a QB in the first round last year in Mahomes. Sooner or later you figure they're going to want to see what they have in him, right? Some people will say, "Why would we want a QB who is currently in the losing streak and would only play for 3-5 years?"
It's a fair point, and it's something I struggle with too. Should we try and put a band-aid on the QB position, or should we stick to trying to find a young QB to stabilize it for a decade? I'd RATHER nail the position for a decade, but let's be honest here...we need to win some games NOW. While none of us here are expecting Josh Gordon to be available next year (anybody with common sense anyways), we'd still have Corey Coleman, Duke Johnson, and David Njoku. Probably the most appealing aspect of Alex's game to me is his accuracy and how he hits receivers IN STRIDE. Someone like that could really help Corey Coleman. When is the last time we got to see Coleman in space with the ball? Never? Christ, all that guy did in college was get yards after catch, and we still haven't found a way to get him in space. Granted he's been hurt most of the time, but still. And hey, maybe I'm wrong about Gordon. Lord knows I WANT to be wrong about him, but he's broken our hearts too many times for anybody to logically depend on him. But man...can you imagine Alex Smith throwing the rock to somebody like HIM?
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I think Cousins is fool's gold... a/k/a made for us?
He's just good enough to contend.
"Vet" has to be a real stretch of the imagination on AJ Mr. Trump..............................er.......... Tour.
Why? Finishing his 3rd year in the league... solid citizen... smart... hard-working... Hue would know whether his game prep is the example-worthy stuff.
Not saying he jumps to the top of the list, just an addition. But he does violate my "still sees himself as a starter" criteria.
I think Cousins is fool's gold... a/k/a made for us?
He's just good enough to contend.
Why? Finishing his 3rd year in the league... solid citizen... smart... hard-working... Hue would know whether his game prep is the example-worthy stuff.
Not saying he jumps to the top of the list, just an addition. But he does violate my "still sees himself as a starter" criteria.
Agreed on Cousins. Will want way too much $$$, and will want to go to a team where he can win immediately.
McCarron? I don't trust the QB whisperer anymore.
I'm a lil off today...
Also just added Eli to the vet mix... but as FA. There are $45mm reasons to not trade for him.
And he's old. A much higher paid McCown while Rosen sits for a year?
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I love how people wail ceaselessly about us trading out of goff and wentz. Now want us trade out of rosen/darnold/allen etc. All who at this point of their careers faced much tougher opponents than wentz did.
Look perhaps personal issues crop up with rosen. But as of right now that kids the clear eye test winner. I pointed out a play he made against the usc game where he exhibited poise in the face of a free charging pass rusher that i honestly cant remember seeing from anyone, especially in college. Freezing the rusher with a pump fake aimed directly at him allowing an underneath crossing route to come free for a first down......i mean damn. Its easy to get googly eyed by arm talent....weedon.....but that kind of pocket poise is almost more important
I love how people wail ceaselessly about us trading out of goff and wentz. Now want us trade out of rosen/darnold/allen etc. All who at this point of their careers faced much tougher opponents than wentz did.
Look perhaps personal issues crop up with rosen. But as of right now that kids the clear eye test winner. I pointed out a play he made against the usc game where he exhibited poise in the face of a free charging pass rusher that i honestly cant remember seeing from anyone, especially in college. Freezing the rusher with a pump fake aimed directly at him allowing an underneath crossing route to come free for a first down......i mean damn. Its easy to get googly eyed by arm talent....weedon.....but that kind of pocket poise is almost more important
I agree about Rosen. Mighty impressive. Bruins bowl eligible.
So you want to disregard stats when discussing Allen's faults? Alright then.
Let's discuss his horrible mechanics and the massive jump from the poor competition he mostly faced to the NFL then.
And trust me cal, a lot of us really know why you don't like Rosen.
Cal is hanging on preseason reports. Finally got around to watching the Wyoming- AF game. Allen looked OK, best I've seen out of him - until he got hurt. MHO? He's no Rosen or Mayfield though.
FWIW, latest Walter Football mock has us taking Rosen #1 overall, Allen lasts until late first round.
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I haven't seen a QB who goes thru his progressions faster.
Cal go watch some more instead of taking some yahoo's word for it. Rosen is nfl ready in terms of progressions and quick release with accuracy. And I certainly would not believe some evaluator that thinks Allen comes anywhere near him. It's night and day and not even close.
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I think Cousins is fool's gold... a/k/a made for us?
He's just good enough to contend.
Why? Finishing his 3rd year in the league... solid citizen... smart... hard-working... Hue would know whether his game prep is the example-worthy stuff.
Not saying he jumps to the top of the list, just an addition. But he does violate my "still sees himself as a starter" criteria.
Agreed on Cousins. Will want way too much $$$, and will want to go to a team where he can win immediately.
McCarron? I don't trust the QB whisperer anymore.
I'm a lil off today...
Also just added Eli to the vet mix... but as FA. There are $45mm reasons to not trade for him.
And he's old. A much higher paid McCown while Rosen sits for a year?
Agreed on Cousins. Will want way too much $$$, and will want to go to a team where he can win immediately.
McCarron? I don't trust the QB whisperer anymore.
And he's old. A much higher paid McCown while Rosen sits for a year?
Well, I did say there are 45mm reasons to not sign Eli.
As for AJ and Hue's judgement... not really a matter of his playing potential... his ceiling. In a "vet" you are primarily looking for a good example of how to prep for a game and a guy that can give you a couple good starts if needed. The latter was shown by AJ a couple years ago during a Bengals stretch run with playoff implications. The former is something Hue should have first hand knowledge of... no "projectiing" needed.
Any more contribution from a vet backup is a bonus... a bonus whose importance diminishes the more you are focused on developing your future QB.
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I love how people wail ceaselessly about us trading out of goff and wentz. Now want us trade out of rosen/darnold/allen etc. All who at this point of their careers faced much tougher opponents than wentz did.
Look perhaps personal issues crop up with rosen. But as of right now that kids the clear eye test winner. I pointed out a play he made against the usc game where he exhibited poise in the face of a free charging pass rusher that i honestly cant remember seeing from anyone, especially in college. Freezing the rusher with a pump fake aimed directly at him allowing an underneath crossing route to come free for a first down......i mean damn. Its easy to get googly eyed by arm talent....weedon.....but that kind of pocket poise is almost more important
I agree about Rosen. Mighty impressive. Bruins bowl eligible.
So you want to disregard stats when discussing Allen's faults? Alright then.
Let's discuss his horrible mechanics and the massive jump from the poor competition he mostly faced to the NFL then.
And trust me cal, a lot of us really know why you don't like Rosen.
Cal is hanging on preseason reports. Finally got around to watching the Wyoming- AF game. Allen looked OK, best I've seen out of him - until he got hurt. MHO? He's no Rosen or Mayfield though.
FWIW, latest Walter Football mock has us taking Rosen #1 overall, Allen lasts until late first round.
I agree about Rosen. Mighty impressive. Bruins bowl eligible.
Cal is hanging on preseason reports. Finally got around to watching the Wyoming- AF game. Allen looked OK, best I've seen out of him - until he got hurt. MHO? He's no Rosen or Mayfield though.
FWIW, latest Walter Football mock has us taking Rosen #1 overall, Allen lasts until late first round.
Rosen is a prick. He is Kaepernick II. His own teammates don't like him. He's a whiner. And per Walter football,
he needs to learn to quicken his progression reads. He is a MESS off the field. The Browns will not draft him.
One anonymous AFC scouting director isn’t too keen on Rosen.
“I think all three (this year) are bottom 10 starters, maybe Mahomes with his upside creeps in to the bottom 15,” he told King. “The kid from USC has a chance; Rosen has a ton of ability but tons of issues, like dedication, to work through. And the Wyoming kid is a big, talented player. It’s a good group. It should be much better than this group.”
A second executive, also from the AFC, has a similar take.
• Rosen: “He’s the one I know the best—he’s got size, athletic tools, velocity. He’s just a mess off the field and he’s coming off the injury. He needs to grow up, but the talent is off the charts.”
The phrases “tons of issues” and “a mess off the field” suggest a growing narrative. It’s always difficult to assess the validity of these claims without knowing what they are based on or the availability of any specifics. We do know that Rosen had a hot tub in his dorm, but had to remove it. He cares not for university housing code, apparently.
And yet Rosen has also showed signs of immaturity—two years ago he and some friends rearranged a neighbor’s lawn ornaments in sexually suggestive positions—and just plain poor judgment. Since arriving at UCLA he has set off a social media firestorm over presidential politics, deleted at least one provocative Instagram post and been forced to apologize to the school. The coach is constantly asking Rosen whom he wants to be: Peyton Manning or Johnny Manziel?
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Rosen is a party boy hippo's butt. Who wants a qb that ends up getting suspended every so often in the NFL?
Preseason reports - show him to be a mess off the field. He's worse than JM, and
worse than Mayfield, and I wouldn't draft Mayfield either. Character, love for the game,
intangibles matter. and Rosen fails the grade.
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I don't see love of the game with rosen - just a physically gifted punk with a fat mouth.
2. Josh Rosen, UCLA (34 points, 3 first-place votes, 8 ballots): The Bruins are 3-3, but it’s hard to pin that on Rosen. He’s played from behind a bunch and still has the best completion percentage of his career (64.2) while throwing for 2,354 yards and 17 touchdowns through six games. That said, he’s been a little sloppy with the ball at times.
3. Josh Allen, Wyoming (23 points, 1 first-place vote, 8 ballots): Allen’s numbers are mediocre and his team is 4-2. But there’s youth all around him and scouts trust the talent. One voter put him first, and another put him in front of Rosen.
I'd draft Faulk before rosen. you want stats... look at his passing percentage. But it seems to me, Faulk and Allen love the game.
rosen loves only himself.
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I don't see love of the game with rosen - just a physically gifted punk with a fat mouth.
2. Josh Rosen, UCLA (34 points, 3 first-place votes, 8 ballots): The Bruins are 3-3, but it’s hard to pin that on Rosen. He’s played from behind a bunch and still has the best completion percentage of his career (64.2) while throwing for 2,354 yards and 17 touchdowns through six games. That said, he’s been a little sloppy with the ball at times.
3. Josh Allen, Wyoming (23 points, 1 first-place vote, 8 ballots): Allen’s numbers are mediocre and his team is 4-2. But there’s youth all around him and scouts trust the talent. One voter put him first, and another put him in front of Rosen.
I'd draft Faulk before rosen. you want stats... look at his passing percentage. But it seems to me, Faulk and Allen love the game.
rosen loves only himself.
I don't see love of the game with rosen - just a physically gifted punk with a fat mouth.
2. Josh Rosen, UCLA (34 points, 3 first-place votes, 8 ballots): The Bruins are 3-3, but it’s hard to pin that on Rosen. He’s played from behind a bunch and still has the best completion percentage of his career (64.2) while throwing for 2,354 yards and 17 touchdowns through six games. That said, he’s been a little sloppy with the ball at times.
3. Josh Allen, Wyoming (23 points, 1 first-place vote, 8 ballots): Allen’s numbers are mediocre and his team is 4-2. But there’s youth all around him and scouts trust the talent. One voter put him first, and another put him in front of Rosen.
I'd draft Faulk before rosen. you want stats... look at his passing percentage. But it seems to me, Faulk and Allen love the game.
rosen loves only himself.
Who was #1 on this list you pasted?
Let me guess: Mason Rudolph.
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Rosen is a party boy hippo's butt. Who wants a qb that ends up getting suspended every so often in the NFL?
Preseason reports - show him to be a mess off the field. He's worse than JM, and
worse than Mayfield, and I wouldn't draft Mayfield either. Character, love for the game,
intangibles matter. and Rosen fails the grade.
Rosen is a party boy hippo's butt. Who wants a qb that ends up getting suspended every so often in the NFL?
Preseason reports - show him to be a mess off the field. He's worse than JM, and
worse than Mayfield, and I wouldn't draft Mayfield either. Character, love for the game,
intangibles matter. and Rosen fails the grade.
Again- going by preseason reports. Saying Rosen can't change? Favre was a party boy in Atlanta. Mayfield had what? One major incident? Like no one ever gets $hit faced drunk in college? Baker apologized profusely for his actions when they played Kansas, I don't recall Manziel ever saying he was sorry for anything.
If you don't have the tangibles, the intangibles don't matter Cal. At the very least Allen is a project with a capital P. We've duly noted he's not very accurate either- and don't bring up the lame argument he has no one to throw to. Didya know Mr. Scattershot Kizer had a better completion % than Allen at Notre Dame? Let that factoid distill in you for a minute or two. Allen wasn't any better in that regard last year. also broken collarbone a few years back, and injured shoulder against Air Force. So sure, let's draft Deshone's clone in the first round no less.
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I agree about Rosen. Mighty impressive. Bruins bowl eligible.
Cal is hanging on preseason reports. Finally got around to watching the Wyoming- AF game. Allen looked OK, best I've seen out of him - until he got hurt. MHO? He's no Rosen or Mayfield though.
FWIW, latest Walter Football mock has us taking Rosen #1 overall, Allen lasts until late first round.
Rosen is a prick. He is Kaepernick II. His own teammates don't like him. He's a whiner. And per Walter football,
he needs to learn to quicken his progression reads. He is a MESS off the field. The Browns will not draft him.
One anonymous AFC scouting director isn’t too keen on Rosen.
“I think all three (this year) are bottom 10 starters, maybe Mahomes with his upside creeps in to the bottom 15,” he told King. “The kid from USC has a chance; Rosen has a ton of ability but tons of issues, like dedication, to work through. And the Wyoming kid is a big, talented player. It’s a good group. It should be much better than this group.”
A second executive, also from the AFC, has a similar take.
• Rosen: “He’s the one I know the best—he’s got size, athletic tools, velocity. He’s just a mess off the field and he’s coming off the injury. He needs to grow up, but the talent is off the charts.”
The phrases “tons of issues” and “a mess off the field” suggest a growing narrative. It’s always difficult to assess the validity of these claims without knowing what they are based on or the availability of any specifics. We do know that Rosen had a hot tub in his dorm, but had to remove it. He cares not for university housing code, apparently.
And yet Rosen has also showed signs of immaturity—two years ago he and some friends rearranged a neighbor’s lawn ornaments in sexually suggestive positions—and just plain poor judgment. Since arriving at UCLA he has set off a social media firestorm over presidential politics, deleted at least one provocative Instagram post and been forced to apologize to the school. The coach is constantly asking Rosen whom he wants to be: Peyton Manning or Johnny Manziel?
“I think all three (this year) are bottom 10 starters, maybe Mahomes with his upside creeps in to the bottom 15,” he told King.
I'm sensing a 2016/2017 evaluation.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I don't see love of the game with rosen - just a physically gifted punk with a fat mouth.
2. Josh Rosen, UCLA (34 points, 3 first-place votes, 8 ballots): The Bruins are 3-3, but it’s hard to pin that on Rosen. He’s played from behind a bunch and still has the best completion percentage of his career (64.2) while throwing for 2,354 yards and 17 touchdowns through six games. That said, he’s been a little sloppy with the ball at times.
3. Josh Allen, Wyoming (23 points, 1 first-place vote, 8 ballots): Allen’s numbers are mediocre and his team is 4-2. But there’s youth all around him and scouts trust the talent. One voter put him first, and another put him in front of Rosen.
I'd draft Faulk before rosen. you want stats... look at his passing percentage. But it seems to me, Faulk and Allen love the game.
rosen loves only himself.
I don't see love of the game with rosen - just a physically gifted punk with a fat mouth.
2. Josh Rosen, UCLA (34 points, 3 first-place votes, 8 ballots): The Bruins are 3-3, but it’s hard to pin that on Rosen. He’s played from behind a bunch and still has the best completion percentage of his career (64.2) while throwing for 2,354 yards and 17 touchdowns through six games. That said, he’s been a little sloppy with the ball at times.
3. Josh Allen, Wyoming (23 points, 1 first-place vote, 8 ballots): Allen’s numbers are mediocre and his team is 4-2. But there’s youth all around him and scouts trust the talent. One voter put him first, and another put him in front of Rosen.
I'd draft Faulk before rosen. you want stats... look at his passing percentage. But it seems to me, Faulk and Allen love the game.
rosen loves only himself.
Unsubstantiated opinion Cal. Just because you "love the game" won't make you a great qb. Believe what you want. Interviews will tell all. We don't even know for sure which underclassmen will declare. Allen, Rosen, and Darnold may all stay in school. Mayfield Faulk, and Rudolph are seniors.
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I'm sensing a 2016/2017 evaluation.
Cal is behind the times- he's also using preseason evaluations of Rosen. Probably didn't watch JR play USC or Cal either. FWIW, I've seen Rosen make passes Kizer can only dream about making.
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Rosen ain't stayin'... not with the Chipster coming to town.
Plus Darnold (again) refuted all reports of him saying he'd stay in to avoid us... but I think he stays in. Seems to have a love of college ala Leinart.
Allen? Haven't seen enough to know enough to care at this point.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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Cal is behind the times- he's also using preseason evaluations of Rosen. Probably didn't watch JR play USC or Cal either. FWIW, I've seen Rosen make passes Kizer can only dream about making.
nopie. I did watch ucla vs socal. rosen's qb skills are impressive. but it ends there. he's a jackwad prick to his teammates,
even had to get a girlfriend however temporary from ANOTHER SCHOOL. seriously, he's a jerk. I'm not drafting him if I was drafting.
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