We are still going to take....

Nero

@tiamat63 said:

Kiss of death. Avoid at all costs now.

LOL!!!!

LogicIsForSquares

@stillmotion said:

Baker will win the Heisman and national championship and it still won’t change anyone’s view on the board. They’ll still hate him then. I see the “it” factor will him. He’s something special. Haters gonna hate though.

Because winning the Heisman (check out that list of QBs for a good laugh) and a National Championship does not an NFL QB make.

LondonBrown

It would be pretty hilarious if we traded down now, ANALYTICS SAYS TRADE DOWN bed wetters would be left scratching their heads

Tacosman

@londonbrown said:

It would be pretty hilarious if we traded down now, ANALYTICS SAYS TRADE DOWN bed wetters would be left scratching their heads

sashi was going to take a qb #1 and so will we now.

For all the analytics talk, sashi sure did a lot of non-analytics things

Tacosman

@londonbrown said:

It would be pretty hilarious if we traded down now, ANALYTICS SAYS TRADE DOWN bed wetters would be left scratching their heads

sashi was going to take a qb #1 and so will we now.

For all the analytics talk, sashi sure did a lot of non-analytics things

LogicIsForSquares

@londonbrown said:

It would be pretty hilarious if we traded down now, ANALYTICS SAYS TRADE DOWN bed wetters would be left scratching their heads

So salty.

Also, Dorsey would likely come away with something for it.

stillmotion

@logicisforsquares said:

Because winning the Heisman (check out that list of QBs for a good laugh) and a National Championship does not an NFL QB make.

A bunch of random football fans on some site can't do evaluation as well as some of the best talent evaluators in pro sports. A few guys are religious about PFF, and when they graded Baker #1 by Far the top QB coming into the draft this year, they just disagreed with it without any info to back it up besides a "gut feeling out of left field".

LogicIsForSquares

@stillmotion said:

A bunch of random football fans on some site can't do evaluation as well as some of the best talent evaluators in pro sports. A few guys are religious about PFF, and when they graded Baker #1 by Far the top QB coming into the draft this year, they just disagreed with it without any info to back it up besides a "gut feeling out of left field".

I regularly mock PFF on here so that may have solidified my opinion against Mayfield.

LogicIsForSquares

Pretty sure they always talk up how great Browns olines are as the QBs are on the IR.

stillmotion

@logicisforsquares said:

I regularly mock PFF on here so that may have solidified my opinion against Mayfield.

Let me guess, you like Rosen too?

The Gipper

@logicisforsquares said:

Because winning the Heisman (check out that list of QBs for a good laugh) and a National Championship does not an NFL QB make.

Here are the QBs that won the Heisman in the last 30 years or so.

Lamar Jackson

Marcus Mariota

Jameis Winston

Johnny Manziel

Robert Griffin

Cam Newton

Sam Bradford

Tim Tebow

Troy Smith

Matt Leinert

Jason White

Carson Palmer

Eric Crouch

Chris Weinke

Danny Wuerffel

Charlie Ward

Gino Torretta

Ty Detmer

Andre Ware

Vinny Testaverde.

So...who out of these has been any good as a pro QB?

LogicIsForSquares

@stillmotion said:

Let me guess, you like Rosen too?

Like his skills but his garbage personality could be the hold up.

tiamat63

@stillmotion said:

A bunch of random football fans on some site can't do evaluation as well as some of the best talent evaluators in pro sports. A few guys are religious about PFF, and when they graded Baker #1 by Far the top QB coming into the draft this year, they just disagreed with it without any info to back it up besides a "gut feeling out of left field".

Actually that would be you. I've asked for your assessment beyond "HEISMAN, STATS, WINNER, LEADER"... still has yet to happen.

Also PFF grades aren't indicative of translatable NFL skill. Those geeks are cool but some things can't be quantified by numbers.

The Gipper

Also: Here is the list of Heisman Trophy Winning Quarterbacks who have made the Pro Football Hall of Fame:

Roger Staubach

and....

.....that's IT!!

(Paul Hornung played some QB in college, but made the HOF primarily as a all purpose back)

But, you never know....maybe Mayfield will become the next Roger Staubach.

The Gipper

@poeticg said:

Make no mistake, he's no Kevin Hogan. Crazy Kev is the mafaqin man. You'll see.

"Mafaqin" ? Is that an anagram? An acronym? Somewhere in there those letters must stand for "Fuyuck. My. Queer. Arse.

stillmotion

@tiamat63 said:

Actually that would be you. I've asked for your assessment beyond "HEISMAN, STATS, WINNER, LEADER"... still has yet to happen.

Also PFF grades aren't indicative of translatable NFL skill. Those geeks are cool but some things can't be quantified by numbers.

How are stats not part of assessment? the heck else you accessing?

Oh yeah thats right, the video of him getting in trouble. And the fact that he's 6'1. Let's write him off and ride Rosen in on a golden chair because of that video.

stillmotion

@the-gipper said:

Also: Here is the list of Heisman Trophy Winning Quarterbacks who have made the Pro Football Hall of Fame:

Roger Staubach

and....

.....that's IT!!

(Paul Hornung played some QB in college, but made the HOF primarily as a all purpose back)

But, you never know....maybe Mayfield will become the next Roger Staubach.

Or he could suck, but i'm just sick of everyone writing him off without giving him a chance. Rosen is just as likely to be Manziel 2.0 as Mayfield is.

stillmotion

@tiamat63 said:

Actually that would be you. I've asked for your assessment beyond "HEISMAN, STATS, WINNER, LEADER"... still has yet to happen.

Also PFF grades aren't indicative of translatable NFL skill. Those geeks are cool but some things can't be quantified by numbers.

And I like him because he has one of the highest completion percentages in college football. He's accurate but can still make the big throws. He makes the players around him better. He finds a way to win, something that the browns lack. He has tough drive, and he's more of a pocket passer then people give him credit for.

Of course if stats, accuracy, and winning don't matter to you, I guess you must've rated Kizer incredibly high last year for having big size, and hardly winning and all.

I'd rather have a QB with guts who can ball out then a dude with a big arm without any accuracy.

The Gipper

@stillmotion said:

Or he could suck, but i'm just sick of everyone writing him off without giving him a chance. Rosen is just as likely to be Manziel 2.0 as Mayfield is.

I am not on any of these guys bandwagons...not really. Some people think that this draft may be like 1983 again.....with 5 outstanding qBs taken.

Or, it could be like the year that the likes of Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, Jake Locker, etc. got drafted. Or they could be 1999 with Couch, Akili Smith, Cade McNown. Maybe there is a Daunte Culpepper or Donovan McNabb in there. Or 2007....Russell and Quinn.

Or...it could be 2004.....Eli, Rivers, BR.

God only knows.....and I don't think she actually cares.

Tour2ma

@tacosman said:

a qb at the top of the first round likely this year. Whether we pick up a guy like AJ or not.

And we should. it's the right move. Darnold or Rosen.

Agree... nothing has changed.