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  • @louisville-slugger said:

    What's up with people wanting Josh McCown? He was just on our team, playing under Hue Jackson, and he was awful. Sure he played ok for the jets but that must have been a system thing because he has played for a long time and he has shown he's not a starter. 

    Because he's an excellent mentor for young talent, and he's a proven veteran to fill in whenever needed. it's not about him being the best QB available, it's about being affordable and able to get the new guys up to speed quickly. Kizer would'be been much better having Josh there to start the first several games.

    @sd_tom said:

    Because he's an excellent mentor for young talent, and he's a proven veteran to fill in whenever needed. it's not about him being the best QB available, it's about being affordable and able to get the new guys up to speed quickly. Kizer would'be been much better having Josh there to start the first several games.

    You're Shmucking tripping on something.  

  • @louisville-slugger said:

    So it doesn't matter that he sucks, because he takes a beating? That doesn't compute with me. I want a guy that can atleast manage a game. Pay me 8 million a season and I'll get my head kicked in a handful of games a season.

    Josh Managed games better than anyone else we have had.

    Something to remember:   a big part of the problem and why Josh could not win games here two years ago:    Hue Jackson was his coach/OC.  In his time with the Jets he proved he could win with a modicum of an NFL caliber coach. 

    @the-gipper said:

    Josh Managed games better than anyone else we have had.

    Something to remember:   a big part of the problem and why Josh could not win games here two years ago:    Hue Jackson was his coach/OC.  In his time with the Jets he proved he could win with a modicum of an NFL caliber coach. 

    That and getting helicoptered into next month in that goalline collision. 

    🙂

  • @sd_tom said:

    Because he's an excellent mentor for young talent, and he's a proven veteran to fill in whenever needed. it's not about him being the best QB available, it's about being affordable and able to get the new guys up to speed quickly. Kizer would'be been much better having Josh there to start the first several games.

    You're Shmucking tripping on something.  

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    You're Shmucking tripping on something.  

    I'm tripping on my giant cack every time I take a leak.

  • You have a cack?  What the Shmuck is a cack?  A c u n t?

  • So it doesn't matter that he sucks, because he takes a beating? That doesn't compute with me. I want a guy that can atleast manage a game. Pay me 8 million a season and I'll get my head kicked in a handful of games a season.

    @louisville-slugger said:

    So it doesn't matter that he sucks, because he takes a beating? That doesn't compute with me. I want a guy that can atleast manage a game. Pay me 8 million a season and I'll get my head kicked in a handful of games a season.

    Josh McCown sucked when he was here and Lamar Jackson is the best QB in this draft.

    Your QB analysis is, interesting, to say the least Slugger. 

  • AxeA Axe

    I think Joe has more than earned his say.

    @axe said:

    I think Joe has more than earned his say.

    Absolutely.

    As far as a talking head on TV have you ever watched him on those fishing shows? 

  • Cousins is average and has a Sheet record against .500 teams.. Plus hes on the back end of his career... Pass!

  • Cousins is average and has a Sheet record against .500 teams.. Plus hes on the back end of his career... Pass!

    @nickers said:

    Cousins is average and has a Sheet record against .500 teams.. Plus hes on the back end of his career... Pass!

    Save a LOT of money with little or no drop off in talent/production...SIGN AJ!!!  (just one old man's opinion)

    Mike

  • @louisville-slugger said:

    So it doesn't matter that he sucks, because he takes a beating? That doesn't compute with me. I want a guy that can atleast manage a game. Pay me 8 million a season and I'll get my head kicked in a handful of games a season.

    Josh McCown sucked when he was here and Lamar Jackson is the best QB in this draft.

    Your QB analysis is, interesting, to say the least Slugger. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Josh McCown sucked when he was here and Lamar Jackson is the best QB in this draft.

    Your QB analysis is, interesting, to say the least Slugger. 

    I get that my opinion of Lamar isn't popular but to say McCown was anything but trash is ridiculous. McCown has been backup quality at best his entire career

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Josh McCown sucked when he was here and Lamar Jackson is the best QB in this draft.

    Your QB analysis is, interesting, to say the least Slugger. 

    I get that my opinion of Lamar isn't popular but to say McCown was anything but trash is ridiculous. McCown has been backup quality at best his entire career

    @louisville-slugger said:

    I get that my opinion of Lamar isn't popular but to say McCown was anything but trash is ridiculous. McCown has been backup quality at best his entire career

    In 2015, he threw for over 2100 yards, with 12 TDs and 4 Ints starting about half the season. Had a 93.3 QB rating.

    He battled injuries the next season, throwing for 6 TDS and 6 Ints, with a mediocre 73ish QB rating.

    Trash? That's just silly. 

  • Give Joe what he wants.  It's what's best for the Browns!!!

  • I watched him play. Even in his "good" games he crumbled under pressure. Mccown just isn't a winner

  • I watched him play. Even in his "good" games he crumbled under pressure. Mccown just isn't a winner

    @louisville-slugger said:

    I watched him play. Even in his "good" games he crumbled under pressure. Mccown just isn't a winner

    Refresh my memory, but were you the person who was arguing with me that Alex Smith is garbage? (I honestly don't remember who I had that debate with...)

  • Jets proved what Browns could not give Josh in just 1 season. Better team coaching, team disapline, with better receiver core & a defense that won time of possession.. QB play is a big part but other phases of game matter..    

  • @nickers said:

    Cousins is average and has a Sheet record against .500 teams.. Plus hes on the back end of his career... Pass!

    Save a LOT of money with little or no drop off in talent/production...SIGN AJ!!!  (just one old man's opinion)

    Mike

    @canton-mike said:

    Save a LOT of money with little or no drop off in talent/production...SIGN AJ!!!  (just one old man's opinion)

    Mike

    I'm all for exploring possibilities with AJ.. He piques my interest.. Based on the limited film on him I have seen.. He looks impressive... And deserves a shot.. IMHO.

  • Cousins is average and has a Sheet record against .500 teams.. Plus hes on the back end of his career... Pass!

    @nickers said:

    Cousins is average and has a Sheet record against .500 teams.. Plus hes on the back end of his career... Pass!

    IMO Cousins is better than any of the top QBs in this draft will ever be.  Plus I'm not willing to wait a couple of seasons for a QB drafted this year to be ready to lead the Browns offense.  I want wins, and I want them NOW.

    Acquiring Cousins adds a legitimate NFL QB to the Browns' roster - something that they haven't enjoyed in recent memory.  Cousins would be their QB for at least five years, lending stability to the most important position.  Finally, grabbing him before the draft provides incredible flexibility to the Browns' draft strategy.  

    I want to see the Browns relevant again. I don't care what it costs - it's not my money.  The money is there to be SPENT to improve the team, not saved for a rainy day.

    Give Joe what he wants.  Get Cousins at any cost.

  • @nickers said:

    Cousins is average and has a Sheet record against .500 teams.. Plus hes on the back end of his career... Pass!

    IMO Cousins is better than any of the top QBs in this draft will ever be.  Plus I'm not willing to wait a couple of seasons for a QB drafted this year to be ready to lead the Browns offense.  I want wins, and I want them NOW.

    Acquiring Cousins adds a legitimate NFL QB to the Browns' roster - something that they haven't enjoyed in recent memory.  Cousins would be their QB for at least five years, lending stability to the most important position.  Finally, grabbing him before the draft provides incredible flexibility to the Browns' draft strategy.  

    I want to see the Browns relevant again. I don't care what it costs - it's not my money.  The money is there to be SPENT to improve the team, not saved for a rainy day.

    Give Joe what he wants.  Get Cousins at any cost.

    @suomi said:

    IMO Cousins is better than any of the top QBs in this draft will ever be.  Plus I'm not willing to wait a couple of seasons for a QB drafted this year to be ready to lead the Browns offense.  Get him.

    Acquiring Cousins adds a legitimate NFL QB to the Browns' roster - something that they haven't enjoyed in recent memory.  Cousins would be their QB for at least five years, lending stability to the most important position.  Finally, grabbing him before the draft provides incredible flexibility to the Browns' draft strategy.  

    I want to see the Browns relevant again. I don't care what it costs - it's not my money.  The money is there to be SPENT to improve the team, not saved for a rainy day.

    Give Joe what he wants.  Get Cousins at any cost.

    Put the crack pipe down, Dufus...Cousins is very "Average".. I'm not spending money on a average QB in the twilight of his career... He needs a perfect team around him to have success.. We don;t have any semblance of that here...

  • @louisville-slugger said:

    I watched him play. Even in his "good" games he crumbled under pressure. Mccown just isn't a winner

    Refresh my memory, but were you the person who was arguing with me that Alex Smith is garbage? (I honestly don't remember who I had that debate with...)

    @dutch-oven said:

    Refresh my memory, but were you the person who was arguing with me that Alex Smith is garbage? (I honestly don't remember who I had that debate with...)

    That's me. I think Alex Smith is a below average starter. Wasn't worth the money or the picks the redskins gave up. He's light years better than McCown tho

  • Shut up Joe don’t care what you say,you haven’t won Sheet  since you’ve been here  , let the new FO call the shots 

  • Shut up Joe don’t care what you say,you haven’t won Sheet  since you’ve been here  , let the new FO call the shots 

    @7moses7 said:

    Shut up Joe ... , let the new FO call the shots 

    There IS that.  You really can't have the players sticking there noses in this area.

    But as has been said, Joe wants to win RFN.  And I'm sure he figures, Hell, if they get pissed at me, what are they gonna do?  Fire me?  I'll friggin' retire if they don't like it.   -  Like my neighbor who was getting sick of the bull crap at his job.  He tells me things are pretty good at work now.  I said, Wow.  What happened?  I'm old enough to retire now, he said, so I grew a set of balls and told them what I thought.  🙂