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  • Louisville Slugger Louisville SluggerL
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    Louisville SluggerL Louisville Slugger wrote on last edited by
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    Either you guys are too high on Crowell or too low on Hyde. Crowell had a top notch burst, but that's it. Hyde is a guy that is going to grind it out and get those extra yards. He may not break away like Crowell could but this is a big improvement. Can Hyde stay healthy is the big question 

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      Either you guys are too high on Crowell or too low on Hyde. Crowell had a top notch burst, but that's it. Hyde is a guy that is going to grind it out and get those extra yards. He may not break away like Crowell could but this is a big improvement. Can Hyde stay healthy is the big question 

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      The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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      @louisville-slugger said:

      Either you guys are too high on Crowell or too low on Hyde. Crowell had a top notch burst, but that's it. Hyde is a guy that is going to grind it out and get those extra yards. He may not break away like Crowell could but this is a big improvement. Can Hyde stay healthy is the big question 

      And...we will be getting an RB in the draft.  I am fairly convinced of that.

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        Louisville SluggerL Louisville Slugger wrote on last edited by
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        Alot of high level talent in the 2nd. If we don't come away with one of those I would be shocked. I've been pretty vocal that I think Penny is the best RB in this draft but Guice and Chubb are also very good options

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          OK, so, lets play  Plus, Minus Absurdio here:

          QB  Taylor in.....Kizer out:   Net result?:

          RB:   Hyde in......Crowell out:  Net result?

          OT:  Joe Thomas out......OLs Chris Hubbard and Donald Stephenson in   Net result?:

          DBs:  Damarious Randall and Terrence Mitchell in......no one out...yet.    Net Result?

          DL:  Danny Shelton Out...   Chris Smith In....Net result?:

          WR:  Jarvis Landry In......no one out...yet  Net result?

          TE:  Darren Fells In...no one out...yet   Net Result?

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          jcam222J jcam222 wrote on last edited by
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          @the-gipper said:

          OK, so, lets play  Plus, Minus Absurdio here:

          QB  Taylor in.....Kizer out:   Net result?: Improved but lets be honest, most QB's with two arms would be an improvement. Some possibly with one arm

          RB:   Hyde in......Crowell out:  Net result? This is a wash and disappointing and thats coming from a Buckeye homer. Keeps us from taking the best weapon we could have had. 

          OT:  Joe Thomas out......OLs Chris Hubbard and Donald Stephenson in   Net result?: as someone else said, Catastrophic loss 

          DBs:  Damarious Randall and Terrence Mitchell in......no one out...yet.    Net Result? The safety has the chance to be an improvement, the CB is JAG

          DL:  Danny Shelton Out...   Chris Smith In....Net result?: - I  am likely in the minority but this is a downgrade to me, luckily I believe this is depth behind someone else we sign or draft

          WR:  Jarvis Landry In......no one out...yet  Net result? HUGE addition 

          TE:  Darren Fells In...no one out...yet   Net Result? improvement for blocking

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            L LondonBrown wrote on last edited by
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            #Browns announced the four trades they made Friday.

            They disclosed the picks exchanged in the Damarious Randall trade. Cleveland gets Randall and 2018 4th (No. 114) and 5th (No. 150) round picks. Green Bay gets DeShone Kizer and 2018 4th (No. 101) and 5th (No. 138) round picks.

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              @the-gipper said:

              OK, so, lets play  Plus, Minus Absurdio here:

              QB  Taylor in.....Kizer out:   Net result?:  A guy with career 23-20 record over one with an 0-15 record?  Need I say more?

              RB:   Hyde in......Crowell out:  Net result?  A plus....even if it only via a better attitude.

              OT:  Joe Thomas out......OLs Chris Hubbard and Donald Stephenson in   Net result?:  Big negative, obviously

              DBs:  Damarious Randall and Terrence Mitchell in......no one out...yet.    Net Result?  Has to be a major plus since no one is out yet. So...who among current DBs gets aufed?

              DL:  Danny Shelton Out...   Chris Smith In....Net result?:  Hard to judge, different slots.   likely a wash so far...but I think Browns pick up a DT in FA...possibly Poe

              WR:  Jarvis Landry In......no one out...yet  Net result?  Big plus....even if they dump Higgins/Louis.  (do not expect Coleman to go...but you never know....never expected Kizer to go either)

              TE:  Darren Fells In...no one out...yet   Net Result?  A backup....will trust Dorsey that this guy can play....a plus.

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              dawg2fanD dawg2fan wrote on last edited by
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              @the-gipper said:

              QB  Taylor in.....Kizer out:   Net result?:  A guy with career 23-20 record over one with an 0-15 record?  Need I say more?

              Well if you compare a 20 year old rookie QB to a Veteran especially with the additions we made to this team, of course Taylor is better.  I can promise when the Packers are ready to start Kizer, he will be much better than Tyrod.  

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                @the-gipper said:

                QB  Taylor in.....Kizer out:   Net result?:  A guy with career 23-20 record over one with an 0-15 record?  Need I say more?

                Well if you compare a 20 year old rookie QB to a Veteran especially with the additions we made to this team, of course Taylor is better.  I can promise when the Packers are ready to start Kizer, he will be much better than Tyrod.  

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                jcam222J jcam222 wrote on last edited by
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                @dawg2fan said:

                Well if you compare a 20 year old rookie QB to a Veteran especially with the additions we made to this team, of course Taylor is better.  I can promise when the Packers are ready to start Kizer, he will be much better than Tyrod.  

                you mean to say IF the Packers are every EVER READY to start him. 

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                • Louisville SluggerL Louisville Slugger

                  Alot of high level talent in the 2nd. If we don't come away with one of those I would be shocked. I've been pretty vocal that I think Penny is the best RB in this draft but Guice and Chubb are also very good options

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                  @louisville-slugger said:

                  Alot of high level talent in the 2nd. If we don't come away with one of those I would be shocked. I've been pretty vocal that I think Penny is the best RB in this draft but Guice and Chubb are also very good options

                  I've been completely on the Penny bandwagon since I saw the Stanford and ASU games.  

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                    mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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                    OK, so, lets play  Plus, Minus Absurdio here:

                    QB  Taylor in.....Kizer out:   Net result?:.......filled a need, lost a backup......but not done yet?

                    RB:   Hyde in......Crowell out:  Net result??.........the Crow flew East......not bad

                    OT:  Joe Thomas out......OLs Chris Hubbard and Donald Stephenson in   Net result?:.......count to 5, see you in Canton!  Tough loss.

                    DBs:  Damarious Randall and Terrence Mitchell in......no one out...yet.    Net Result?......filled some need spots, not done yet?

                    DL:  Danny Shelton Out...   Chris Smith In....Net result?:..... eh, wait, should be ok

                    WR:  Jarvis Landry In......no one out...yet  Net result?........has to help, maybe big!

                    TE:  Darren Fells In...no one out...yet   Net Result?......again wait but should be OK

                    ??: 10 more picks? Woo-hoo!

                    GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
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                      The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by The Gipper
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                      Updated:

                      Here is a recap on the Browns moves so far:

                      OUT:

                      Joe Thomas retires

                      Danny Shelton traded

                      DeShone Kizer traded

                      Isaiah Crow leaves via FA

                      IN:

                      QB Tyrod Taylor in via trade

                      WR Jarvis Landry in via trade

                      DB Damarious Randall in via trade

                      CB Terrence Mitchell signed as FA

                      OT Donald Stephenson signed as FA

                      DE Chris Smith signed as FA

                      RB Carlos Hyde signed via FA

                      OT Chris Hubbard signed as FA

                      TE Darren Fells signed as FA

                      CB TJ Carrie  as FA

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                        The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                        Updated:

                        OK, so, lets play  Plus, Minus Absurdio here:

                        QB  Taylor in.....Kizer out:   Net result?:

                        RB:   Hyde in......Crowell out:  Net result?

                        OT:  Joe Thomas out......OLs Chris Hubbard and Donald Stephenson in   Net result?:

                        DBs:  Damarious Randall, TJ Carrie and Terrence Mitchell in......no one out...yet.    Net Result?

                        DL:  Danny Shelton Out...   Chris Smith In....Net result?:

                        WR:  Jarvis Landry In......no one out...yet  Net result?

                        TE:  Darren Fells In...no one out...yet   Net Result?

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                          Updated:

                          OK, so, lets play  Plus, Minus Absurdio here:

                          QB  Taylor in.....Kizer out:   Net result?:

                          RB:   Hyde in......Crowell out:  Net result?

                          OT:  Joe Thomas out......OLs Chris Hubbard and Donald Stephenson in   Net result?:

                          DBs:  Damarious Randall, TJ Carrie and Terrence Mitchell in......no one out...yet.    Net Result?

                          DL:  Danny Shelton Out...   Chris Smith In....Net result?:

                          WR:  Jarvis Landry In......no one out...yet  Net result?

                          TE:  Darren Fells In...no one out...yet   Net Result?

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                          Louisville SluggerL Louisville Slugger wrote on last edited by
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                          @the-gipper said:

                          Updated:

                          OK, so, lets play  Plus, Minus Absurdio here:

                          QB  Taylor in.....Kizer out:   Net result?: huge upgrade. 

                          RB:   Hyde in......Crowell out:  Net result? Under-rated move. 

                          OT:  Joe Thomas out......OLs Chris Hubbard and Donald Stephenson in   Net result?: not as bad as it looks. I've got a feeling were going focus on the running game.

                          DBs:  Damarious Randall, TJ Carrie and Terrence Mitchell in......no one out...yet.    Net Result? Carrie I like as the #2. Randall hasn't played FS since college and I don't know anything about mitchell.

                          DL:  Danny Shelton Out...   Chris Smith In....Net result?: I've got a feeling were going to get one of the big name DTs but right now this is bad

                          WR:  Jarvis Landry In......no one out...yet  Net result? Huge. We finally focus on bringing in playmakers

                          TE:  Darren Fells In...no one out...yet   Net Result? Again I think we focus on the running game so this is a underrated signing. If Fells is as good as a blocker as I've been hearing then this will really help

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                          • The GipperT The Gipper

                            Updated:

                            Here is a recap on the Browns moves so far:

                            OUT:

                            Joe Thomas retires

                            Danny Shelton traded

                            DeShone Kizer traded

                            Isaiah Crow leaves via FA

                            IN:

                            QB Tyrod Taylor in via trade

                            WR Jarvis Landry in via trade

                            DB Damarious Randall in via trade

                            CB Terrence Mitchell signed as FA

                            OT Donald Stephenson signed as FA

                            DE Chris Smith signed as FA

                            RB Carlos Hyde signed via FA

                            OT Chris Hubbard signed as FA

                            TE Darren Fells signed as FA

                            CB TJ Carrie  as FA

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                            The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by The Gipper
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                            @the-gipper said:

                            Updated:

                            Here is a recap on the Browns moves so far:

                            OUT:

                            Joe Thomas retires

                            Danny Shelton traded

                            DeShone Kizer traded

                            Isaiah Crow leaves via FA

                            IN:

                            QB Tyrod Taylor in via trade

                            WR Jarvis Landry in via trade

                            DB Damarious Randall in via trade

                            CB Terrence Mitchell signed as FA

                            OT Donald Stephenson signed as FA

                            DE Chris Smith signed as FA

                            RB Carlos Hyde signed via FA

                            OT Chris Hubbard signed as FA

                            TE Darren Fells signed as FA

                            CB TJ Carrie  as FA

                            Further updates:  All these guys OUT:

                            Terminated contract (2):

                            DB Jason McCourtyicon-article-link.gif

                            DB B.W. Webbicon-article-link.gif

                            Waived (8):

                            DL Ricky Ali'ifuaicon-article-link.gif

                            OL Zach Bannericon-article-link.gif

                            DL Collin Bevinsicon-article-link.gif

                            LB Jeremy Cashicon-article-link.gif

                            OL Joseph Cheekicon-article-link.gif

                            WR Sammie Coatesicon-article-link.gif

                            DB Trevon Hartfieldicon-article-link.gif

                            Jason Rounds

                            Besides McCourty.....and Coates.....we hardly knew that any of these guys were on the Browns roster. Or, if you knew....you hardly gave them a thought.

                            Have I missed anyone else who is either in or out?

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