Jets trade up
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this was bills plan to get to Colts..with Gettleman.. now add in the rape the 9'ers to bears https://www.sbnation.com/2018/3/14/17114618/buffalo-bills-nfl-draft-2018-trade-up-quarterback
this was bills plan to get to Colts..with Gettleman.. now add in the rape the 9'ers to bears https://www.sbnation.com/2018/3/14/17114618/buffalo-bills-nfl-draft-2018-trade-up-quarterback
The price for the Bills to jump the Jets just went WAY up.
Does anyone have a clue as to who is being targeted by the Jets? Why do I think it is likely Rosen. Or, are they enamored with Baker Mayfield. Or, are they just willing to take any of 3 guys.
OR....do they have a hard on for Barkley???? No? Its a thought.
classified information again Gipper. We won't know until the picks get announced on April 26th. Regarding the Jets\Barkley? No way in hell. You don't give up that much draft capital to draft a running back- I don't care if he's the second coming of Jim Brown.
The Jets are targeting Barkley. They'll take him at three before we get our second chance at him #4... damn. We without a doubt have to take Saquon #1 now.
Tell ya what- I will bet you my package of season tickets, Value = $2,000 that the Jets won't take Barkley. You up for that rich a bet? I'm betting, you're full of it- if not- then STFU on your Barkley love. Too much green beer or Irish whisky today Po? Or hallucinogenic substances? Without a doubt- Barkley or Chubb will be there at #4.
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The only other option would be awesome moving from 4 to 2 if there are those two players that we absolutely want
That price just jumped tremendously. only phone ringing is Gettleman in NY..they can't fall down far & Bills at #12 our now shuffling those draft cards hard..with Zona/Broncos..is their a bigger boat than the Titanic?Mikah,Chubb or Barkley could get fun at #4..don't throw the lawn furniture off the Titanic at #4..just rearrange it & get it Right..imo It's Mayfield or Darnold at #1 unless Hue or Haley gets a vote..one dude won more games with less talent & changing mechanics at this point am not a big fan of..
imo It's Mayfield or Darnold at #1 unless Hue or Haley gets a vote..one dude won more games with less talent & changing mechanics at this point am not a big fan of..
Agree... but I don't think Mayfield's talent is lacking. I easily see his being the 2nd highest floor in this class. Problem is it is not #1 overall high and it comes with a ceiling practically touching it.
Also Hue doesn't want a vote... just the right to bitch later.
The Jets have just pushed all-in against the Bills. The Bills now MUST make a deal for either #2 with N.Y. Giants or with us for #4 no matter what it costs them- and it just got a LOT more expensive. What do you think the Bills would now have to give NY for #2? What would they have to give us to move out of #4 (not saying we should do it, just saying, what do you think the price today would be?)
Hey, onk... long time no see.
Agree that Bills will now have to move up, but will have competition from Denver. And the Bills price will be so high... I actually think Runyon is a little low... that I do not think they can afford to settle for stopping at #4 overall... not in advance of the first three picks already having been made anyway.
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The Jets are targeting Barkley. They'll take him at three before we get our second chance at him #4... damn. We without a doubt have to take Saquon #1 now.
The Jets are targeting Barkley. They'll take him at three before we get our second chance at him #4... damn. We without a doubt have to take Saquon #1 now.
But the Browns are not going to do this.
Disagree with me? Put your money where your rambling mouth is.
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To move to #2, it will cost them both 1st this year, a 1st next year, and probably a 2nd or 3rd this year as well. To move to #4 the cost would be very similar, 3 1st rounders plus additional pick perhaps in 2019. However, the Browns should not do this, they are guaranteed to get Chubb or Barkley now plus their QB of choice.
To move to #2, it will cost them both 1st this year, a 1st next year, and probably a 2nd or 3rd this year as well. To move to #4 the cost would be very similar, 3 1st rounders plus additional pick perhaps in 2019. However, the Browns should not do this, they are guaranteed to get Chubb or Barkley now plus their QB of choice.
For the Bills to move to #2 overall... I'd say even a little more... 3 - #1's, a 2 and a 3. After all we are taking about RG3 here!
Question is: How much less can the Broncos get away with offering NYG? The #5, their 2019 #1, their #2 and both 3's might do it. As it keeps NYG at #5 and in prime position to take Quenton Nelson.
Then should we take Minkah, then they might even trade back again to TB's #7, who I think should lust after Barkley, leaving Chubb for Indy at 6 and Nelson for NYG at #7
Our #4? I cannot see pre-Draft Day deal for it, but depending how the QBs fall then the Bills should come calling and if NYG stayed put, Denver as well.
Can you say potential "sweet spot"?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
To move to #2, it will cost them both 1st this year, a 1st next year, and probably a 2nd or 3rd this year as well. To move to #4 the cost would be very similar, 3 1st rounders plus additional pick perhaps in 2019. However, the Browns should not do this, they are guaranteed to get Chubb or Barkley now plus their QB of choice.
For the Bills to move to #2 overall... I'd say even a little more... 3 - #1's, a 2 and a 3. After all we are taking about RG3 here!
Question is: How much less can the Broncos get away with offering NYG? The #5, their 2019 #1, their #2 and both 3's might do it. As it keeps NYG at #5 and in prime position to take Quenton Nelson.
Then should we take Minkah, then they might even trade back again to TB's #7, who I think should lust after Barkley, leaving Chubb for Indy at 6 and Nelson for NYG at #7
Our #4? I cannot see pre-Draft Day deal for it, but depending how the QBs fall then the Bills should come calling and if NYG stayed put, Denver as well.
Can you say potential "sweet spot"?
Our #4? I cannot see pre-Draft Day deal for it, but depending how the QBs fall then the Bills should come calling and if NYG stayed put, Denver as well.
Can you say potential "sweet spot"?
Dammit Tour - I've been on here pounding the proverbial desk to just stay at #1 and #4 and get the best QB and BPA... Now you are going to try and talk me out of it?
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The Jets are targeting Barkley. They'll take him at three before we get our second chance at him #4... damn. We without a doubt have to take Saquon #1 now.
The Jets are targeting Barkley. They'll take him at three before we get our second chance at him #4... damn. We without a doubt have to take Saquon #1 now.
Said it before... I'll say it again. You are nothing, if not consistent.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Our #4? I cannot see pre-Draft Day deal for it, but depending how the QBs fall then the Bills should come calling and if NYG stayed put, Denver as well.
Can you say potential "sweet spot"?
Dammit Tour - I've been on here pounding the proverbial desk to just stay at #1 and #4 and get the best QB and BPA... Now you are going to try and talk me out of it?
Dammit Tour - I've been on here pounding the proverbial desk to just stay at #1 and #4 and get the best QB and BPA... Now you are going to try and talk me out of it?
My bad... I've been gone...
Here's the thing... if QBs go 1, 2, 3 and Denver makes a generous, preemptive offer for #4 to keep BUF from leapfrogging them, how do you not make the trade?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Dammit Tour - I've been on here pounding the proverbial desk to just stay at #1 and #4 and get the best QB and BPA... Now you are going to try and talk me out of it?
My bad... I've been gone...
Here's the thing... if QBs go 1, 2, 3 and Denver makes a generous, preemptive offer for #4 to keep BUF from leapfrogging them, how do you not make the trade?
My bad... I've been gone...
Here's the thing... if QBs go 1, 2, 3 and Denver makes a generous, preemptive offer for #4 to keep BUF from leapfrogging them, how do you not make the trade?
That's my dream scenario. Move down one spot + get extra draft pick.
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That's my dream scenario. Move down one spot + get extra draft pick.
Of course that makes sense, but what about all the people who say dont trade NO MATTER WHAT. That is what the previous regimes did and look how that turned out.
It should ALWAYS be open. Who knows, someone may love a QB or Barkley so much they offer 10 1st rounders (Obviously exaggerating), but point is you CAN'T turn that down
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That's my dream scenario. Move down one spot + get extra draft pick.
Of course that makes sense, but what about all the people who say dont trade NO MATTER WHAT. That is what the previous regimes did and look how that turned out.
It should ALWAYS be open. Who knows, someone may love a QB or Barkley so much they offer 10 1st rounders (Obviously exaggerating), but point is you CAN'T turn that down
Of course that makes sense, but what about all the people who say dont trade NO MATTER WHAT. That is what the previous regimes did and look how that turned out.
It should ALWAYS be open. Who knows, someone may love a QB or Barkley so much they offer 10 1st rounders (Obviously exaggerating), but point is you CAN'T turn that down
Moving down one spot- when you KNOW the team trading up isn't after "one of your guys" is a hell of a lot different than moving down 8 or more and odds are that "guy" wont be there.
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Of course that makes sense, but what about all the people who say dont trade NO MATTER WHAT. That is what the previous regimes did and look how that turned out.
It should ALWAYS be open. Who knows, someone may love a QB or Barkley so much they offer 10 1st rounders (Obviously exaggerating), but point is you CAN'T turn that down
Moving down one spot- when you KNOW the team trading up isn't after "one of your guys" is a hell of a lot different than moving down 8 or more and odds are that "guy" wont be there.
Moving down one spot- when you KNOW the team trading up isn't after "one of your guys" is a hell of a lot different than moving down 8 or more and odds are that "guy" wont be there.
No doubt about it. But I have seen A LOT of posters say dont trade down no matter what. And the overwhelming majority say because of past.
If the Eagles offered 10 1st rounders for the 1st pick, I would get out my jet pack and fly to NFL offices to accept. It's an alternate world obviously, so jet packs are a thing there ?
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Our #4? I cannot see pre-Draft Day deal for it, but depending how the QBs fall then the Bills should come calling and if NYG stayed put, Denver as well.
Can you say potential "sweet spot"?
Dammit Tour - I've been on here pounding the proverbial desk to just stay at #1 and #4 and get the best QB and BPA... Now you are going to try and talk me out of it?
Dammit Tour - I've been on here pounding the proverbial desk to just stay at #1 and #4 and get the best QB and BPA... Now you are going to try and talk me out of it?
Dutch, come over to the dark side, it's easy........quarterbacks are overrated. 🥷
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I figured some team would trade up to go for a QB.
All the more reason for the Browns to get it right at #1.... and It does look more likely we'll be able to get Chubb at #4. Him with Garrett and Ogunjobi would be awesome
Does anyone have a clue as to who is being targeted by the Jets? Why do I think it is likely Rosen. Or, are they enamored with Baker Mayfield. Or, are they just willing to take any of 3 guys.
OR....do they have a hard on for Barkley???? No? Its a thought.
Does anyone have a clue as to who is being targeted by the Jets? Why do I think it is likely Rosen. Or, are they enamored with Baker Mayfield. Or, are they just willing to take any of 3 guys.
I believe it's option #3....they're willing to take one of the 3 best QB's in this draft. The question is, What order do they have them in? - What order do WE have them in?
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The Browns are in an interesting spot, no doubt. IMOP, They have to take a qb at #1 now. No excuses. Dorsey is a dice roller and is not afraid to take chances on upside. I would love to see his qb board. As much as I get excited about each qb, they all scare me. Darnold has the least amount of fear factor, so I'm definitely leaning that way. Not to mention, he is the youngest of the bunch at 20 years old.
But where it gets interesting is in the scenarios:
1) Three qb's go in the top 3 picks. Giants, Bills, Dolphins or Miami make the pick at #2. It doesn't matter. That leaves chubb, barkley, nelson, and fitzpatrick on the board at #4. If they choose a player, in this scenario if they want to take a player and not trade back, I think it's chubb. They have two dominant DE's whom are young for the next 4 years. Fans will scream for Barkley but there is enough depth in the class and Dorsey has NEVER taken a first round RB
2.) Same scenario as above, only Buffalo calls because the Giants make a pick at #2. If I'm Cleveland I ask for this: #12, 22, 53, 56 and Tre'davious White. If they are willing to make this deal, I take it. I then turn around and call denver and offer them 2 of the 5 second round picks that I have plus #12, to move up to #5. I still take Chubb at #5, but now you have not only bolstered the secondary with White, but you also added the best defender in the draft and still have 3 second round picks.
3.) Surprise everyone...Take Chubb at #1 and draft your qb at #4
4.) Draft Barkley at #1 and take your qb at #4 not caring whom falls to you
5.) Shock the World..Take Barkley at #1 and Chubb at #4 then trade up to grab whichever qb falls. I think the floor is Miami for the top 4 at #11. This would take a ton of balls, use up lots of draft capital, and have a lot of faith.
6.) Out think themselves, and not take a qb until one of their late 2nd round picks and believe TT is going to lead them for the next 5 yrs
The Browns are in an interesting spot, no doubt. IMOP, They have to take a qb at #1 now. No excuses. Dorsey is a dice roller and is not afraid to take chances on upside. I would love to see his qb board. As much as I get excited about each qb, they all scare me. Darnold has the least amount of fear factor, so I'm definitely leaning that way. Not to mention, he is the youngest of the bunch at 20 years old.
But where it gets interesting is in the scenarios:
1) Three qb's go in the top 3 picks. Giants, Bills, Dolphins or Miami make the pick at #2. It doesn't matter. That leaves chubb, barkley, nelson, and fitzpatrick on the board at #4. If they choose a player, in this scenario if they want to take a player and not trade back, I think it's chubb. They have two dominant DE's whom are young for the next 4 years. Fans will scream for Barkley but there is enough depth in the class and Dorsey has NEVER taken a first round RB
2.) Same scenario as above, only Buffalo calls because the Giants make a pick at #2. If I'm Cleveland I ask for this: #12, 22, 53, 56 and Tre'davious White. If they are willing to make this deal, I take it. I then turn around and call denver and offer them 2 of the 5 second round picks that I have plus #12, to move up to #5. I still take Chubb at #5, but now you have not only bolstered the secondary with White, but you also added the best defender in the draft and still have 3 second round picks.
3.) Surprise everyone...Take Chubb at #1 and draft your qb at #4
4.) Draft Barkley at #1 and take your qb at #4 not caring whom falls to you
5.) Shock the World..Take Barkley at #1 and Chubb at #4 then trade up to grab whichever qb falls. I think the floor is Miami for the top 4 at #11. This would take a ton of balls, use up lots of draft capital, and have a lot of faith.
6.) Out think themselves, and not take a qb until one of their late 2nd round picks and believe TT is going to lead them for the next 5 yrs
Good thoughts.
But let's take door #1 and watch the rest of the round unfold with our three 2nd round picks sitting on the table.
I'd prefer to not get cute and just pick the two best players that are not Barkley. (RB later)
If someone that we really like starts sliding then perhaps we wanna jump back into the latter part of the round like we did last year.
Like Joe Banner said, Today's NFL is Pass and Rush The Passer. - Pick the QB de jur and Chubb. (Garrett and Chubb with Ogbah off the bench)
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So the Jets traded with the Colts. They didn't trade to the top of the round. (they probably called us but we want a QB too and there's no way we're trading that far down and miss out on a QB - again -)
They didn't trade with the Giants. They probably called the Giants. Why couldn't they move up to #2? I'm going to have to assume that the Giants want their QB to groom also. (of course the possibility DOES exist that the Jets don't really believe that the Giants WILL take a QB this year - I think they probably will because essentially, it's FREE this year. You don't have to trade up and give away a King's ransom for the QB. I guarantee you that the Giants do not expect to be picking anywhere near this high next year.)
But in order to have made this trade, the Jets had to understand that it was quite possible that the 2 best QB's in the draft would be gone. Assuming that those two are Rosen & Darnold, then they like Mayfield or Allen enough (and Rosen and Darnold in case one of THEM is there) to make the trade.
This shows all of us that AT LEAST three of the four top QB's in this draft have show the Jets enough to warrant trading up for. Just like the Bears last year....and the Rams & Eagles the year before that. - Ya gotta have a good QB.
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Of course that makes sense, but what about all the people who say dont trade NO MATTER WHAT. That is what the previous regimes did and look how that turned out.
It should ALWAYS be open. Who knows, someone may love a QB or Barkley so much they offer 10 1st rounders (Obviously exaggerating), but point is you CAN'T turn that down
Moving down one spot- when you KNOW the team trading up isn't after "one of your guys" is a hell of a lot different than moving down 8 or more and odds are that "guy" wont be there.
Moving down one spot- when you KNOW the team trading up isn't after "one of your guys" is a hell of a lot different than moving down 8 or more and odds are that "guy" wont be there.
TBH the best you can do is think you KNOW...
Elway could just say "Fuk it, I'll ride with Keenum for a season" and steal your precious _______________ . (fill in the blank)
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Moving down one spot- when you KNOW the team trading up isn't after "one of your guys" is a hell of a lot different than moving down 8 or more and odds are that "guy" wont be there.
TBH the best you can do is think you KNOW...
Elway could just say "Fuk it, I'll ride with Keenum for a season" and steal your precious _______________ . (fill in the blank)
TBH the best you can do is think you KNOW...
Elway could just say "Fuk it, I'll ride with Keenum for a season" and steal your precious _______________ . (fill in the blank)
Well, we take our QB #1, the Broncos "know" we're not taking another one at #4. So, you want to swap picks? Fine- take Barkley, Chubb, or Nelson instead of a QB, thanks for the extra (probably second round) pick.
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The Jets making that trade is awesome news for us. 99% shot it goes QB, QB, QB. Which means grab Rosen, stay put at #4 and grab Barkley. Just picturing it... What a Shmucking Offense. Gordon, Landry, Duke, Rosen and Barkley. That sounds fantastic! Potential is Top 3 NFL Offense in a few years.
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