From nobody to the top of the first round of the draft - Josh Allen
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9/2 @Iowa L 24-3 23 40 174 57.5 23 0 2 84.0 8 -10 -1.3 11 0 24.9 45.6 9/9 Gardner-Webb W 27-0 22 32 328 68.8 47 2 0 175.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 96.7 91.1 9/16 Oregon L 49-13 9 24 64 37.5 21 0 1 51.6 8 25 3.1 10 1 11.5 15.2 9/23 Hawai'i W 28-21 (OT) 9 19 92 47.4 25 1 0 105.4 6 17 2.8 22 0 63.8 34.6 9/30 Texas State W 45-10 14 24 219 58.3 40 3 0 176.2 8 12 1.5 9 0 82.4 66.5 10/14 @Utah State W 28-23 18 26 208 69.2 28 1 1 141.4 16 36 2.3 16 1 54.1 61.5 10/21 @Boise State L 24-14 12 27 131 44.4 30 1 2 82.6 18 62 3.4 19 1 48.3 58.5 10/28 New Mexico W 42-3 16 28 234 57.1 38 4 0 174.5 4 20 5.0 11 1 66.0 46.8 11/4 Colorado State W 16-13 10 20 138 50.0 21 0 0 108.0 12 60 5.0 18 0 33.4 25.9 11/11 @Air Force W 28-14 8 11 70 72.7 17 1 0 156.2 4 -15 -3.8 2 1 71.5 53. Against Iowa he had 0 TD 2 INT and 57.5 comp % Lost 24-3
Against Oregon he had 0 TD 1 INT and 37.5 comp % Lost 49-13
Against Hawaii he had 1 TD pass and 47.4 comp % Won 28-21 in OT
Against Boise State he had 1 TD 2 INT and 44.4 comp % Lost 24-14
Against Colorado State he had 0 TD and 50.0 comp % Won 16-13
Against NO defenders at the Indy Combines - he threw countless TD passes and 0 INTs. If we all put the glue down, which scenario (playing against pass rushers and DBs or air) would be more representative of joining an NFL team coming off 1-31 football? Now, who are you really trying to convince that this guy is the answer to all our prayers - you or your readers?
Against NO defenders at the Indy Combines - he threw countless TD passes and 0 INTs. If we all put the glue down, which scenario (playing against pass rushers and DBs or air) would be more representative of joining an NFL team coming off 1-31 football? Now, who are you really trying to convince that this guy is the answer to all our prayers - you or your readers?
I'm going to laugh if the Broncos end up selecting him. It will be like the second coming of.................................wait for it.............................................Paxton Lynch.
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Tex, you never back anything up with any facts, not even invalidly.
Wentz, Cal’s Jared Goff, Lynch and Michigan State’s Connor Cook – Lynch has the least experience in a pro-style offense.
As a result, some of the footwork on his throws in on-field workouts, designed to mimic a quarterback-center exchange, wasn’t as fluid.
“Nothing is on rhythm and on time, and I’m seeing a lot of that with Paxton,” former quarterback and current NFL Network analyst Kurt Warner said on the broadcast.
He only scored an "18" on the wonderlic.
http://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-scouts-worried-about-paxton-lynch-low-wonderlic-2016-4
Another scout echoed this:
The overall maturity level and disposition, I'd be a bit concerned.
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So, Allen DID play a lot of pro style offense, is bigtime mature, loves the game, and is very smart, with about 30 mph more arm.
Lynch threw 56 mph at the combine.
Need facts, Tex, or your opinions don't amount to nothin, and you need legit facts, to explain why you see things the way ya do.
I may be wrong, sure, but I see things per the reading I've done.
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Tex, you never back anything up with any facts, not even invalidly.
Wentz, Cal’s Jared Goff, Lynch and Michigan State’s Connor Cook – Lynch has the least experience in a pro-style offense.
As a result, some of the footwork on his throws in on-field workouts, designed to mimic a quarterback-center exchange, wasn’t as fluid.
“Nothing is on rhythm and on time, and I’m seeing a lot of that with Paxton,” former quarterback and current NFL Network analyst Kurt Warner said on the broadcast.
He only scored an "18" on the wonderlic.
http://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-scouts-worried-about-paxton-lynch-low-wonderlic-2016-4
Another scout echoed this:
The overall maturity level and disposition, I'd be a bit concerned.
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So, Allen DID play a lot of pro style offense, is bigtime mature, loves the game, and is very smart, with about 30 mph more arm.
Lynch threw 56 mph at the combine.
Need facts, Tex, or your opinions don't amount to nothin, and you need legit facts, to explain why you see things the way ya do.
I may be wrong, sure, but I see things per the reading I've done.
Need facts, Tex, or your opinions don't amount to nothin, and you need legit facts, to explain why you see things the way ya do.
Here's the only fact I needed on Lynch. The Broncos have obviously moved on by acquiring Keenum and are seriously considering taking another QB high in this draft.
You can go research it if you wish. I don't waste my time on it.
As to Allen I watched 4 of his games live this past year for the entire game. I trust my own evaluation off what I see over someone else's fact. You know kind of like over "there"
EDIT: But I will post this "speculation" by D.J.
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Here's a fun fact...
In 2018 Allen had the 8th highest completion percentage of the QBs in the ten team Mountain West Conference.... and there was a sizeable gap to the #7 ranked QB.
Pass Completion Percentage 1. Kent Myers* • Utah State 62.9 2. Brett Rypien* • Boise State 62.6 3. Marcus McMaryion* • Fresno State 62.1 4. Nick Stevens* • Colorado State 61.9 5. Dru Brown • Hawaii 61.7 6. Ty Gangi • Nevada 61.0 7. Christian Chapman* • San Diego State 59.8 8. Josh Allen* • Wyoming 56.3 9. Montel Aaron • San Jose State 56.0 10. Jordan Love* • Utah State 54.9 I think we should draft Christian Chapman at #4 and Rasaad Penny at #1 and have an all SDSU backfield.
I think we should draft Christian Chapman at #4 and Rasaad Penny at #1 and have an all SDSU backfield.
Bring back Brian Sipe as a coach.
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Rosen: lowest completion pct. in any game was 55.6%
Allen had 4 games at 50% or less. 4 out of 10: 40% of games.
Rosen: 6 games above 60%. Allen had 3.
Based on the games posted by each above....Rosen was 26-10 TD/Int. Ration. Allen was 13/6.
Does anyone want to argue that the Pac 10 defenses are not a lot tougher than the Mountain West defenses?
missing the point. UCLA was ranked #7 in the nation the year before rosen got there. OF course rosen had a fast track to wins
and better stats.
Wyoming was not ranked anywhere - they were
2014 record 4–8 (2–6 MW) the year before Wyoming got there.
So, rosen walked into a 7th in the country team, and Allen walked into a losing team that
only went to bowl games in recent years, after Josh Allen was the full time starter.
He led them to the Poinsetta bowl, they lost a close one, 24-21, to BYU.
He led them to the Potato Bowl, and they won, 37-14.
So, rosen didn't raise the level of play of UCLA.
Allen carried the Wyoming football team on his back and raised the level of play dramatically.
Those facts are more fun. I'm done.
missing the point.
NOT missing any fuyucking point. The point is that Rosen is far more accurate. THAT is the point.
UCLA was ranked #7 in the nation the year before rosen got there. OF course rosen had a fast track to wins
and better stats.
Wyoming was not ranked anywhere - they were
So...basically....there is NO point that you are trying to make.
2014 record 4–8 (2–6 MW) the year before Wyoming got there.
So, rosen walked into a 7th in the country team, and Allen walked into a losing team that
only went to bowl games in recent years, after Josh Allen was the full time starter.
He led them to the Poinsetta bowl, they lost a close one, 24-21, to BYU.
He led them to the Potato Bowl, and they won, 37-14.
So, rosen didn't raise the level of play of UCLA.
Allen carried the Wyoming football team on his back and raised the level of play dramatically.
Those facts are more fun. I'm done.
With those facts.....the conclusion is: Rosen would be the far more reliable accurate NFL passer.
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Side by side, with a few common opponents this season.
Rosen had 182 more attempts in the same number of games. Why is that?
One potential conclusion: Wyoming didn't trust Allen throwing the ball all that much.
Another possible conclusion: Wyoming's schedule was so weak compared to Wyomings, that Wyo. was often ahead and did not have to throw.....where at UCLA Rosen had to pitch it all day long against better competition.
Which could also conclude that Wyoming's defense....against its competition was much better than UCLA's defense against its competition. I think that is likely the case. Rosen had to try to play comeback a lot because that defense was giving up like 40 pts per game.
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Side by side, with a few common opponents this season.
Rosen had 182 more attempts in the same number of games. Why is that?
One potential conclusion: Wyoming didn't trust Allen throwing the ball all that much.
Another possible conclusion: Wyoming's schedule was so weak compared to Wyomings, that Wyo. was often ahead and did not have to throw.....where at UCLA Rosen had to pitch it all day long against better competition.
Which could also conclude that Wyoming's defense....against its competition was much better than UCLA's defense against its competition. I think that is likely the case. Rosen had to try to play comeback a lot because that defense was giving up like 40 pts per game.
Rosen had 182 more attempts in the same number of games. Why is that?
One potential conclusion: Wyoming didn't trust Allen throwing the ball all that much.
Another possible conclusion: Wyoming's schedule was so weak compared to Wyomings, that Wyo. was often ahead and did not have to throw.....where at UCLA Rosen had to pitch it all day long against better competition.
Which could also conclude that Wyoming's defense....against its competition was much better than UCLA's defense against its competition. I think that is likely the case. Rosen had to try to play comeback a lot because that defense was giving up like 40 pts per game.
Their defense was a sieve. I think it was 36 pts a game, and over 480 yds a game they allowed on average.
My buddy is a big UCLA fan, LA native, coaches football in the area... and thinks very highly of Rosen. Of this season, he said "we can't block, can't catch, can't tackle or cover, and can't run the ball. But at least we can win some games and know when to fire a shitty coach unlike the Browns" LOL
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I personally couldn’t care less about win % as there’s more to winning football games than one player
What I do care about most, especially after Kizer, is a QB that is an accurate thrower.
Josh Allen is not
Baker Mayfield certainly is and if he was two inches taller would be the lock #1 pick
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I personally couldn’t care less about win % as there’s more to winning football games than one player
What I do care about most, especially after Kizer, is a QB that is an accurate thrower.
Josh Allen is not
Baker Mayfield certainly is and if he was two inches taller would be the lock #1 pick
I personally couldn’t care less about win % as there’s more to winning football games than one player
What I do care about most, especially after Kizer, is a QB that is an accurate thrower.
Josh Allen is not
Baker Mayfield certainly is and if he was two inches taller would be the lock #1 pick
Mayfield's supporting cast and offense made him look much better than he actually is. If he had Rosen's skill set, no one would give a hot crap about his height.
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I personally couldn’t care less about win % as there’s more to winning football games than one player
What I do care about most, especially after Kizer, is a QB that is an accurate thrower.
Josh Allen is not
Baker Mayfield certainly is and if he was two inches taller would be the lock #1 pick
I personally couldn’t care less about win % as there’s more to winning football games than one player
What I do care about most, especially after Kizer, is a QB that is an accurate thrower.
Josh Allen is not
Baker Mayfield certainly is and if he was two inches taller would be the lock #1 pick
Many would argue that Rosen is more accurate, as Mayfield threw to more wide open receivers in games than Rosen did, but even if they're roughly the same, I'd rather have a guy who's 6'4 than 6'0. Especially when one has played under center quite a bit and the other never did.
At this level, they're all "gamers" They all wanna win, they are the best in their respective divisions.... Accuracy and reading defenses will help more than "loving the game"
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I personally couldn’t care less about win % as there’s more to winning football games than one player
What I do care about most, especially after Kizer, is a QB that is an accurate thrower.
Josh Allen is not
Baker Mayfield certainly is and if he was two inches taller would be the lock #1 pick
I personally couldn’t care less about win % as there’s more to winning football games than one player
What I do care about most, especially after Kizer, is a QB that is an accurate thrower.
Josh Allen is not
Baker Mayfield certainly is and if he was two inches taller would be the lock #1 pick
^^^^ True.
Mayfield's supporting cast and offense made him look much better than he actually is. If he had Rosen's skill set, no one would give a hot crap about his height.
Nope, it's 95% about Mayfield's height. Some are trying to make mountains out of molehills about his one off field indiscretion, and some of his on field antics. Better supporting cast for Baker? Sure, but at least when his guy was wide open, he can\could hit them in stride, not like a certain Wyoming quarterback under similar conditions throwing the ball 10 feet over their heads or 10 yards past them. From the tape I've watched, Baker made plenty of NFL level thread the needle throws into tight coverage. To say he can't make them is ridiculous.
The only knock I've heard about Mayfield is he tends to lock onto his primary target too often. That can be said for just about any college qb. Allen does the same, except he's nowhere near as accurate.
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I personally couldn’t care less about win % as there’s more to winning football games than one player
What I do care about most, especially after Kizer, is a QB that is an accurate thrower.
Josh Allen is not
Baker Mayfield certainly is and if he was two inches taller would be the lock #1 pick
^^^^ True.
Mayfield's supporting cast and offense made him look much better than he actually is. If he had Rosen's skill set, no one would give a hot crap about his height.
Nope, it's 95% about Mayfield's height. Some are trying to make mountains out of molehills about his one off field indiscretion, and some of his on field antics. Better supporting cast for Baker? Sure, but at least when his guy was wide open, he can\could hit them in stride, not like a certain Wyoming quarterback under similar conditions throwing the ball 10 feet over their heads or 10 yards past them. From the tape I've watched, Baker made plenty of NFL level thread the needle throws into tight coverage. To say he can't make them is ridiculous.
The only knock I've heard about Mayfield is he tends to lock onto his primary target too often. That can be said for just about any college qb. Allen does the same, except he's nowhere near as accurate.
^^^^ True.
Nope, it's 95% about Mayfield's height. Some are trying to make mountains out of molehills about his one off field indiscretion, and some of his on field antics. Better supporting cast for Baker? Sure, but at least when his guy was wide open, he can\could hit them in stride, not like a certain Wyoming quarterback under similar conditions throwing the ball 10 feet over their heads or 10 yards past them. From the tape I've watched, Baker made plenty of NFL level thread the needle throws into tight coverage. To say he can't make them is ridiculous.
The only knock I've heard about Mayfield is he tends to lock onto his primary target too often. That can be said for just about any college qb. Allen does the same, except he's nowhere near as accurate.
If you are comparing Allen to Mayfield then I will say sure he is better than Allen. Just like getting punched in the gut is preferable to having someone hit me in the sack with a nine iron. I would prefer neither.
Mayfield has inflated numbers from the nature of his offense. In the pros, Mayfield’s first read won’t be there and he won’t be able to scramble out of the pocket while he finds everyone else. That isn’t to say he won’t ever figure it out. But the Browns aren’t who I would call a team that can develop a QB.
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Tex, you never back anything up with any facts, not even invalidly.
Wentz, Cal’s Jared Goff, Lynch and Michigan State’s Connor Cook – Lynch has the least experience in a pro-style offense.
As a result, some of the footwork on his throws in on-field workouts, designed to mimic a quarterback-center exchange, wasn’t as fluid.
“Nothing is on rhythm and on time, and I’m seeing a lot of that with Paxton,” former quarterback and current NFL Network analyst Kurt Warner said on the broadcast.
He only scored an "18" on the wonderlic.
http://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-scouts-worried-about-paxton-lynch-low-wonderlic-2016-4
Another scout echoed this:
The overall maturity level and disposition, I'd be a bit concerned.
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So, Allen DID play a lot of pro style offense, is bigtime mature, loves the game, and is very smart, with about 30 mph more arm.
Lynch threw 56 mph at the combine.
Need facts, Tex, or your opinions don't amount to nothin, and you need legit facts, to explain why you see things the way ya do.
I may be wrong, sure, but I see things per the reading I've done.
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Invalid facts....? Did i just read that?
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I personally couldn’t care less about win % as there’s more to winning football games than one player
What I do care about most, especially after Kizer, is a QB that is an accurate thrower.
Josh Allen is not
Baker Mayfield certainly is and if he was two inches taller would be the lock #1 pick
^^^^ True.
Mayfield's supporting cast and offense made him look much better than he actually is. If he had Rosen's skill set, no one would give a hot crap about his height.
Nope, it's 95% about Mayfield's height. Some are trying to make mountains out of molehills about his one off field indiscretion, and some of his on field antics. Better supporting cast for Baker? Sure, but at least when his guy was wide open, he can\could hit them in stride, not like a certain Wyoming quarterback under similar conditions throwing the ball 10 feet over their heads or 10 yards past them. From the tape I've watched, Baker made plenty of NFL level thread the needle throws into tight coverage. To say he can't make them is ridiculous.
The only knock I've heard about Mayfield is he tends to lock onto his primary target too often. That can be said for just about any college qb. Allen does the same, except he's nowhere near as accurate.
The only knock I've heard about Mayfield is he tends to lock onto his primary target too often.
Again... that's the OU offense... it's a single option pass offense. If it's not there, they ask the QB to move and the WRs to react to that movement. Baker became pretty astute at picking up an open WR once he broke contain. Did a lot more of this in this last season vs. the previous ones.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Invalid facts....? Did i just read that?
yes. a red delicious apple is red. But we are talking about an heirloom pear tree.
The color of the apple is fact, but is invalid regarding the subject at hand.
Clear enough?
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yes. a red delicious apple is red. But we are talking about an heirloom pear tree.
The color of the apple is fact, but is invalid regarding the subject at hand.
Clear enough?
What type of fact is posting about Ben Roethlisberger's college career for the University of Miami Hurricanes?
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Josh Rosen Feeds Into Narrative He Doesn't Want Browns To Draft ...
cleveland.cbslocal.com/.../josh-rosen-feeds-into-narrative-hed-prefer-browns-not-pick...Dec 26, 2017 - Last year's top overall pick Myles Garrett, who has 6 sacks in 8 games this season for the Browns, had some strong words for Rosen following the 20-3 loss Sunday at Chicago that pushed Cleveland to the brink of a winless season.
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