USC QBs Overrated

mjp28

So these 22 or 23 year old young men (which they all are) from a big well known football factory are basically crap shoots? How about that.

Oh well USC is better known for running backs and cheerleaders anyway.

Tour2ma

Not surprising that what was known as "Tailback U." through the early 2000's did not produce a bunch of NFL-grade QBs.

Haden did get pummeled out of the NFL, but his underwater TD:INT ratio paved the way.

The Gipper

OK, of course, Ohio State fans have nothing to crow over when it comes to their QBs:

Drafted Players

Rk	Year	Rnd	Pick		Pos	DrAge	Tm	From	To	AP1	PB	St	CarAV	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Att	Yds	TD	College/Univ
1	2016	4	139	Cardale Jones	QB	23	BUF	2016	2016	0	0	0	0	1	0		6	11	96	0	1	1	-1	0	Ohio St.	College Stats
2	2007	5	174	Troy Smith	QB	23	BAL	2007	2010	0	0	0	6	20	8	4-4-0	121	234	1734	8	5	52	230	3	Ohio St.	College Stats
3	2004	5	148	Craig Krenzel	QB	23	CHI	2004	2004	0	0	0	1	6	5	3-2-0	59	127	718	3	6	18	41	0	Ohio St.	College Stats
4	2002	6	205	Steve Bellisari	QB		STL			0	0	0													Ohio St.	College Stats
5	1999	4	101	Joe Germaine	QB	24	STL	1999	1999	0	0	0	1	3	0		9	16	136	1	2	3	0	0	Ohio St.	College Stats
6	1996	3	85	Bobby Hoying	QB	23	PHI	1996	2000	0	0	1	3	22	13	3-9-1	244	456	2544	11	15	42	156	0	Ohio St.	College Stats
7	1992	8	211	Kent Graham	QB	23	NYG	1992	2001	0	0	1	21	81	38	17-21-0	694	1339	7801	39	33	121	424	5	Ohio St.	College Stats
8	1988	3	68	Tom Tupa	QB	22	PHO	1988	2004	1	1	11	29	220	13	4-9-0	259	504	3430	12	25	53	187	1	Ohio St.	College Stats
9	1987	12	322	Jim Karsatos	QB		MIA			0	0	0													Ohio St.	College Stats
10	1982	1	4	Art Schlichter	QB	22	BAL	1982	1985	0	0	0	4	13	6	0-6-0	91	202	1006	3	11	22	161	1	Ohio St.	College Stats
11	1976	11	317	Cornelius Greene	QB		DAL			0	0	0													Ohio St.	College Stats
12	1974	8	203	Gregg Hare	QB		BUF			0	0	0													Ohio St.	College Stats
13	1971	15	376	Ron Maciejowski	QB		CHI			0	0	0													Ohio St.	College Stats

Only the misguided Schlichter was anything near a top draftee. With him it is certainly the "What if" game. What if he had been a solid citizen...and not a degenerate gambler. What kind of a pro could he actually have been?

OSU's best pro QB was Mike Tomscak....who wasn't even drafted and is not listed here.

mjp28

Of that whole bunch Art Schlichter was potentially the best from the old 3 or 4 yards and a cloud of dust Woody Hayes days and succeeding years. Too bad he really screwed up.

Quarterbacks, like computers or women can't live with them or without them.

Bigalow80

@the-gipper said:

OK, of course, Ohio State fans have nothing to crow over when it comes to their QBs:

Drafted Players

Rk Year Rnd Pick Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS QBrec Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD College/Univ
1 2016 4 139 Cardale Jones QB 23 BUF 2016 2016 0 0 0 0 1 0 6 11 96 0 1 1 -1 0 Ohio St. College Stats
2 2007 5 174 Troy Smith QB 23 BAL 2007 2010 0 0 0 6 20 8 4-4-0 121 234 1734 8 5 52 230 3 Ohio St. College Stats
3 2004 5 148 Craig Krenzel QB 23 CHI 2004 2004 0 0 0 1 6 5 3-2-0 59 127 718 3 6 18 41 0 Ohio St. College Stats
4 2002 6 205 Steve Bellisari QB STL 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats
5 1999 4 101 Joe Germaine QB 24 STL 1999 1999 0 0 0 1 3 0 9 16 136 1 2 3 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats
6 1996 3 85 Bobby Hoying QB 23 PHI 1996 2000 0 0 1 3 22 13 3-9-1 244 456 2544 11 15 42 156 0 Ohio St. College Stats
7 1992 8 211 Kent Graham QB 23 NYG 1992 2001 0 0 1 21 81 38 17-21-0 694 1339 7801 39 33 121 424 5 Ohio St. College Stats
8 1988 3 68 Tom Tupa QB 22 PHO 1988 2004 1 1 11 29 220 13 4-9-0 259 504 3430 12 25 53 187 1 Ohio St. College Stats
9 1987 12 322 Jim Karsatos QB MIA 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats
10 1982 1 4 Art Schlichter QB 22 BAL 1982 1985 0 0 0 4 13 6 0-6-0 91 202 1006 3 11 22 161 1 Ohio St. College Stats
11 1976 11 317 Cornelius Greene QB DAL 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats
12 1974 8 203 Gregg Hare QB BUF 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats
13 1971 15 376 Ron Maciejowski QB CHI 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats

Only the misguided Schlichter was anything near a top draftee. With him it is certainly the "What if" game. What if he had been a solid citizen...and not a degenerate gambler. What kind of a pro could he actually have been?

OSU's best pro QB was Mike Tomscak....who wasn't even drafted and is not listed here.

Has anyone in the last ten years said their was an OSU qb who was an nfl qb? I'm pretty sure everyone is in agreement that OSU does not recruit the "traditional" qb who typically makes it in the nfl. Even Pryor and Jones, anyone with common sense saw that they had major red flags.

mjp28

@bigalow80 said:

Has anyone in the last ten years said their was an OSU qb who was an nfl qb? I'm pretty sure everyone is in agreement that OSU does not recruit the "traditional" qb who typically makes it in the nfl. Even Pryor and Jones, anyone with common sense saw that they had major red flags.

Yes they recruit running quarterbacks that don't fumble and control the clock, west coast football it isn't.

The Gipper

@bigalow80 said:

Has anyone in the last ten years said their was an OSU qb who was an nfl qb? I'm pretty sure everyone is in agreement that OSU does not recruit the "traditional" qb who typically makes it in the nfl. Even Pryor and Jones, anyone with common sense saw that they had major red flags.

People thought that Cardale could do some damage in the pros.. No sale.

In fact....where is Cardale? Is he still on the Bills...or with some other team?

Or, is he a candidate for the Alliance for American Football?

The Gipper

@mjp28 said:

Yes they recruit running quarterbacks that don't fumble and control the clock, west coast football it isn't.

Will JT Barrett even be drafted?

D Bone

@the-gipper said:

I am going to go out on a not very long limb and say that USC QBs have been basically a pile of mediocre much

Sounds like they're due.....

The Gipper

@d-bone said:

Sounds like they're due.....

If we take one...yes...let's hope so.

cvcanedy

Good data, Gip. I struggle with the correlation, though, assuming someone thinks there is one. Maybe I’m wrong.

jcam222

@cvcanedy said:

Good data, Gip. I struggle with the correlation, though, assuming someone thinks there is one. Maybe I’m wrong.

I think it's straight forward, by and large USC QB's suck in the NFL

The Gipper

@cvcanedy said:

Good data, Gip. I struggle with the correlation, though, assuming someone thinks there is one. Maybe I’m wrong.

Yea, no real correlation. Just because a bunch of QBs...or any players from one particular school has been crappy in the past does not mean that future QBs from that school will be crappy in the future. And vice versa. Just because past QBs were good doesn't mean others will be good.

The only place it seems to apply really is Big 12 QBs. There has really been no real good one since that conference was formed in 1994. That is a period now of 24 years...and that his 10-12 schools. (unless you count Andy Dalton as a real franchise QB.)

I guess that has to change sometime. This year? With either Mayfield or Rudolph?

Dutch Oven

So what school is the best for QBs? Alabama? Miami? Notre Dame?

Dutch Oven

@the-gipper said:

Will JT Barrett even be drafted?

I doubt it, maybe someone takes a late, late flyer on him.

For as successful as Pryor, Miller and Barrett has been, they have been absolutely dreadful passing the ball when they are in obvious passing situations. That doesn't translate to the NFL.

Comeonman

@jcam222 said:

I think it's straight forward, by and large USC QB's suck in the NFL

That is my biggest fear, although mostly irrational, about drafting Darnold at 1.

The Gipper

@dutch-oven said:

So what school is the best for QBs? Alabama? Miami? Notre Dame?

Alabama is a good choice: l they currently have 3 HOF QBs: Starr, Namath, Stabler

Purdue is another: Dawson, Griese....and they will have Drew Brees when he is done (also had Jim Everett and a couple other decent ones)

UCLA has a couple: Waterfield, Aikman

Stanford has to be considered: Elway, Plunkett, Luck. All #1 overall.....along with Bobby Garrett who may actually be the biggest bust in the history of the draft: a #1 overall QB....who never played but a handful of games....and played -0- for the team that drafted him...i.e. The Cleveland Browns. They also had John Brodie come out of there.

Oregon has to be mentioned: HOFers Dan Fouts and Norm Van Brocklin...plus the up and coming Mariota

Notre Dame? Only Montana and Joe Theismann were much good. They had their share of bad busts: John Huarte, Rick Mirer, Brady Quinn.

Michigan has HOF Benny Friedman....plus Brady. Harbaugh decent.

Miami Fla.....had that group all there at the same time: Kelly, Bernie, Vinny. But not much good since. George Mir back in the 60s.

BYU was QB U for a while: Steve Young, Jim McMahon, Marc Wilson

jcam222

What about Wyoming? After all that's where our guy is from......

calfoxwc

Then there's the list of UCLA qb's.

Troy Aikman...

Brett Hundley....

...and.....

a bunch of guys I never heard of.

mjp28

@calfoxwc said:

Then there's the list of UCLA qb's.

Troy Aikman...

Brett Hundley....

...and.....

a bunch of guys I never heard of.

And Troy was a Sooner first and almost not a Bruin at all.......

......On October 19, Miami's Jerome Brown broke through the offensive line, sacked Aikman on the Sooner 29-yard line and broke Aikman's ankle. Aikman, who had been six of eight passing for 131 yards, would be lost for the season. Switzer and offensive coordinator Jim Donnan were forced to switch back to the wishbone offense under freshman quarterback Jamelle Holieway. The team went on to win the 1985 National Championship. With Holieway established as the starting quarterback at OU, Aikman decided to transfer to UCLA........