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  • mjp28M mjp28

    @bigalow80 said:

    Has anyone in the last ten years said their was an OSU qb who was an nfl qb? I'm pretty sure everyone is in agreement that OSU does not recruit the "traditional" qb who typically makes it in the nfl. Even Pryor and Jones, anyone with common sense saw that they had major red flags.

    Yes they recruit running quarterbacks that don't fumble and control the clock, west coast football it isn't. 

    @mjp28 said:

    Yes they recruit running quarterbacks that don't fumble and control the clock, west coast football it isn't. 

    Will JT Barrett even be drafted?

    Dutch OvenD 1 Reply
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    I am going to go out on a not very long limb and say that USC QBs have been basically  a pile of mediocre much....other than Carson Palmer.  And note...his career winning record is barely over .500.

    Pat Haden actually had the best win pct....but he did not last all that long.   Only really a 5 year career.   Not sure is he had injuries that curtailed him. I know that he got replaced by Vince Ferragamo the year the LA Rams went to the Super Bowl.  Not sure if that was injury or performance based. 

    Sanchez had two years of success....then utter failure.   Rodney Peete had some decent years....but was never viewed as "franchise", I don't think.

    Matt Cassell.....was really a career backup.

    So...if the Browns take him....what will Darnold turn out to be?   The best QB USC ever produced?   Which is what he better be.....or will he fall into the mediocre drek that a lot of these guys are.

    The only guys that he should really be compared to likely are Palmer,  Sanchez., Leinert....and maybe Marinovich....since they were the First rounders.  the rest were mostly mid to late round guys....so they should not be held to the same standard.    Though....like I said, Haden...the one with the best win pct.   was only 7th round. 

    @the-gipper said:

    I am going to go out on a not very long limb and say that USC QBs have been basically  a pile of mediocre much

    Sounds like they're due..... 

  • D BoneD D Bone

    @the-gipper said:

    I am going to go out on a not very long limb and say that USC QBs have been basically  a pile of mediocre much

    Sounds like they're due..... 

    @d-bone said:

    Sounds like they're due..... 

    If we take one...yes...let's hope so. 

  • Good data, Gip.  I struggle with the correlation, though, assuming someone thinks there is one. Maybe I’m wrong.

    jcam222J The GipperT 2 Replies
  • cvcanedyC cvcanedy

    Good data, Gip.  I struggle with the correlation, though, assuming someone thinks there is one. Maybe I’m wrong.

    @cvcanedy said:

    Good data, Gip.  I struggle with the correlation, though, assuming someone thinks there is one. Maybe I’m wrong.

    I think it's straight forward, by and large USC QB's suck in the NFL

    ComeonmanC 1 Reply
  • cvcanedyC cvcanedy

    Good data, Gip.  I struggle with the correlation, though, assuming someone thinks there is one. Maybe I’m wrong.

    @cvcanedy said:

    Good data, Gip.  I struggle with the correlation, though, assuming someone thinks there is one. Maybe I’m wrong.

    Yea,  no real correlation.   Just because a bunch of QBs...or any players from one particular school  has been crappy in the past does not mean that future QBs from that school will be crappy in the future.  And vice versa.  Just because past QBs were good doesn't mean others will be good.

    The only place it seems to apply really is  Big 12 QBs.   There has really been no real good one since that conference was formed in 1994. That is a period now of 24 years...and that his  10-12 schools.   (unless you count Andy Dalton as a real franchise QB.)

    I guess that has to change sometime.   This year?  With either Mayfield or Rudolph?

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  • So what school is the best for QBs? Alabama? Miami? Notre Dame?

    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @mjp28 said:

    Yes they recruit running quarterbacks that don't fumble and control the clock, west coast football it isn't. 

    Will JT Barrett even be drafted?

    @the-gipper said:

    Will JT Barrett even be drafted?

    I doubt it, maybe someone takes a late, late flyer on him.

    For as successful as Pryor, Miller and Barrett has been, they have been absolutely dreadful passing the ball when they are in obvious passing situations. That doesn't translate to the NFL.

  • jcam222J jcam222

    @cvcanedy said:

    Good data, Gip.  I struggle with the correlation, though, assuming someone thinks there is one. Maybe I’m wrong.

    I think it's straight forward, by and large USC QB's suck in the NFL

    @jcam222 said:

    I think it's straight forward, by and large USC QB's suck in the NFL

    That is my biggest fear, although mostly irrational, about drafting Darnold at 1.

    👍
  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    So what school is the best for QBs? Alabama? Miami? Notre Dame?

    @dutch-oven said:

    So what school is the best for QBs? Alabama? Miami? Notre Dame?

    Alabama is a good choice:  l they currently have 3 HOF QBs:   Starr, Namath, Stabler

    Purdue is another:    Dawson, Griese....and they will have Drew Brees when he is done (also had Jim Everett and a couple other decent ones)

    UCLA has a couple:   Waterfield, Aikman

    Stanford has to be considered:   Elway, Plunkett,  Luck.  All #1 overall.....along with Bobby Garrett who may actually be the biggest bust in the history of the draft:  a #1 overall QB....who never played but a handful of games....and played -0- for the team that drafted him...i.e. The Cleveland Browns.  They also had John Brodie come out of there.

    Oregon has to be mentioned:  HOFers Dan Fouts and Norm Van Brocklin...plus the up and coming Mariota

    Notre Dame?   Only Montana and Joe Theismann were much good.   They had their share of bad busts:  John Huarte, Rick Mirer, Brady Quinn.

    Michigan has  HOF Benny Friedman....plus Brady.     Harbaugh decent.

    Miami Fla.....had that group all there at the same time:   Kelly,  Bernie, Vinny.   But not much good since.   George Mir back in the 60s.

    BYU was QB U for a while:  Steve Young, Jim McMahon, Marc Wilson  

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  • What about Wyoming? After all that's where our guy is from...... 🙂

    The GipperT 1 Reply

  • Then there's the list of UCLA qb's.

    Troy Aikman...

    Brett Hundley....

    ...and.....

    a bunch of guys I never heard of.

    mjp28M The GipperT 2 Replies
  • C calfoxwc

    Then there's the list of UCLA qb's.

    Troy Aikman...

    Brett Hundley....

    ...and.....

    a bunch of guys I never heard of.

    @calfoxwc said:

    Then there's the list of UCLA qb's.

    Troy Aikman...

    Brett Hundley....

    ...and.....

    a bunch of guys I never heard of.

    And Troy was a Sooner first and almost not a Bruin at all.......

    ......On October 19, Miami's Jerome Brown broke through the offensive line, sacked Aikman on the Sooner 29-yard line and broke Aikman's ankle. Aikman, who had been six of eight passing for 131 yards, would be lost for the season. Switzer and offensive coordinator Jim Donnan were forced to switch back to the wishbone offense under freshman quarterback Jamelle Holieway. The team went on to win the 1985 National Championship. With Holieway established as the starting quarterback at OU, Aikman decided to transfer to UCLA........

    GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!

  • It's mind boggling how a powerhouse like Ohio State hasn't had anyone good at QB in the NFL for decades. 

    mjp28M 1 Reply
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @cvcanedy said:

    Good data, Gip.  I struggle with the correlation, though, assuming someone thinks there is one. Maybe I’m wrong.

    Yea,  no real correlation.   Just because a bunch of QBs...or any players from one particular school  has been crappy in the past does not mean that future QBs from that school will be crappy in the future.  And vice versa.  Just because past QBs were good doesn't mean others will be good.

    The only place it seems to apply really is  Big 12 QBs.   There has really been no real good one since that conference was formed in 1994. That is a period now of 24 years...and that his  10-12 schools.   (unless you count Andy Dalton as a real franchise QB.)

    I guess that has to change sometime.   This year?  With either Mayfield or Rudolph?

    @the-gipper said:

    Yea,  no real correlation.   Just because a bunch of QBs...or any players from one particular school  has been crappy in the past does not mean that future QBs from that school will be crappy in the future.  And vice versa.  Just because past QBs were good doesn't mean others will be good.

    The only place it seems to apply really is  Big 12 QBs.   There has really been no real good one since that conference was formed in 1994. That is a period now of 24 years...and that his  10-12 schools.   (unless you count Andy Dalton as a real franchise QB.)

    I guess that has to change sometime.   This year?  With either Mayfield or Rudolph?

    Mahomes possibly?

    The GipperT 1 Reply

  • Looking at all the QBs drafted in the past 30 years there is no clear, winning "QBU" from a quality standpoint.

    But if you look at quantity then there is one: USC with 9 QBs drafted.

    Did not note any with 8, but there are a handful tied with seven each...

    • Washington
    • Tennesee
    • Oregon
    • Michigan
    • LSU
    • FSU
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  • S SD_Tom

    It's mind boggling how a powerhouse like Ohio State hasn't had anyone good at QB in the NFL for decades. 

    @sd_tom said:

    It's mind boggling how a powerhouse like Ohio State hasn't had anyone good at QB in the NFL for decades. 

    And they've had some good recievers not even including running backs that can catch.

    Heisman Troy Smith in 2006? Eh.

    GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
  • mjp28M mjp28

    @sd_tom said:

    It's mind boggling how a powerhouse like Ohio State hasn't had anyone good at QB in the NFL for decades. 

    And they've had some good recievers not even including running backs that can catch.

    Heisman Troy Smith in 2006? Eh.

    @mjp28 said:

    And they've had some good recievers not even including running backs that can catch.

    Heisman Troy Smith in 2006? Eh.

    Craig Krenzel  🙂

  • Successful NFL UCLA QBs

    1989 - Troy Aikman - Approximately 30 years ago there was a guy who excelled at the NFL level in the non salary cap NFL.

    The rest of the guys were all Bums.

  • B boo fagley

    Successful NFL UCLA QBs

    1989 - Troy Aikman - Approximately 30 years ago there was a guy who excelled at the NFL level in the non salary cap NFL.

    The rest of the guys were all Bums.

    @boo-fagley said:

    Successful NFL UCLA QBs

    1989 - Troy Aikman - Approximately 30 years ago there was a guy who excelled at the NFL level in the non salary cap NFL.

    The rest of the guys were all Bums.

    Billy Kilmer, Bob Waterfield

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