USC QBs Overrated
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Then there's the list of UCLA qb's.
Troy Aikman...
Brett Hundley....
...and.....
a bunch of guys I never heard of.
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Then there's the list of UCLA qb's.
Troy Aikman...
Brett Hundley....
...and.....
a bunch of guys I never heard of.
Then there's the list of UCLA qb's.
Troy Aikman...
Brett Hundley....
...and.....
a bunch of guys I never heard of.
And Troy was a Sooner first and almost not a Bruin at all.......
......On October 19, Miami's Jerome Brown broke through the offensive line, sacked Aikman on the Sooner 29-yard line and broke Aikman's ankle. Aikman, who had been six of eight passing for 131 yards, would be lost for the season. Switzer and offensive coordinator Jim Donnan were forced to switch back to the wishbone offense under freshman quarterback Jamelle Holieway. The team went on to win the 1985 National Championship. With Holieway established as the starting quarterback at OU, Aikman decided to transfer to UCLA........
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Good data, Gip. I struggle with the correlation, though, assuming someone thinks there is one. Maybe I’m wrong.
Yea, no real correlation. Just because a bunch of QBs...or any players from one particular school has been crappy in the past does not mean that future QBs from that school will be crappy in the future. And vice versa. Just because past QBs were good doesn't mean others will be good.
The only place it seems to apply really is Big 12 QBs. There has really been no real good one since that conference was formed in 1994. That is a period now of 24 years...and that his 10-12 schools. (unless you count Andy Dalton as a real franchise QB.)
I guess that has to change sometime. This year? With either Mayfield or Rudolph?
Yea, no real correlation. Just because a bunch of QBs...or any players from one particular school has been crappy in the past does not mean that future QBs from that school will be crappy in the future. And vice versa. Just because past QBs were good doesn't mean others will be good.
The only place it seems to apply really is Big 12 QBs. There has really been no real good one since that conference was formed in 1994. That is a period now of 24 years...and that his 10-12 schools. (unless you count Andy Dalton as a real franchise QB.)
I guess that has to change sometime. This year? With either Mayfield or Rudolph?
Mahomes possibly?
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Looking at all the QBs drafted in the past 30 years there is no clear, winning "QBU" from a quality standpoint.
But if you look at quantity then there is one: USC with 9 QBs drafted.
Did not note any with 8, but there are a handful tied with seven each...
- Washington
- Tennesee
- Oregon
- Michigan
- LSU
- FSU
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It's mind boggling how a powerhouse like Ohio State hasn't had anyone good at QB in the NFL for decades.
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Successful NFL UCLA QBs
1989 - Troy Aikman - Approximately 30 years ago there was a guy who excelled at the NFL level in the non salary cap NFL.
The rest of the guys were all Bums.
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Successful NFL UCLA QBs
1989 - Troy Aikman - Approximately 30 years ago there was a guy who excelled at the NFL level in the non salary cap NFL.
The rest of the guys were all Bums.
Successful NFL UCLA QBs
1989 - Troy Aikman - Approximately 30 years ago there was a guy who excelled at the NFL level in the non salary cap NFL.
The rest of the guys were all Bums.
Billy Kilmer, Bob Waterfield
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Successful NFL UCLA QBs
1989 - Troy Aikman - Approximately 30 years ago there was a guy who excelled at the NFL level in the non salary cap NFL.
The rest of the guys were all Bums.
Billy Kilmer, Bob Waterfield
Billy Kilmer, Bob Waterfield
Bob Who?
Kilmer played wearing a leather jock strap.
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Looking at all the QBs drafted in the past 30 years there is no clear, winning "QBU" from a quality standpoint.
But if you look at quantity then there is one: USC with 9 QBs drafted.
Did not note any with 8, but there are a handful tied with seven each...
- Washington
- Tennesee
- Oregon
- Michigan
- LSU
- FSU
Looking at all the QBs drafted in the past 30 years there is no clear, winning "QBU" from a quality standpoint.
But if you look at quantity then there is one: USC with 9 QBs drafted.
Did not note any with 8, but there are a handful tied with seven each...
- Washington
- Tennesee
- Oregon
- Michigan
- LSU
- FSU
Well if you want to look at some recent QB success, look at NCSU, they have produced Phillip Rivers, Russel Wilson, Mike Glennon and Jacoby Brisette, and if you are using the last 30 years you can also add Erik Kramer.
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What about Wyoming? After all that's where our guy is from......
All the Wyoming QBs drafted anyway....since the common draft began in 1966:
Drafted Players
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Looking at all the QBs drafted in the past 30 years there is no clear, winning "QBU" from a quality standpoint.
But if you look at quantity then there is one: USC with 9 QBs drafted.
Did not note any with 8, but there are a handful tied with seven each...
- Washington
- Tennesee
- Oregon
- Michigan
- LSU
- FSU
Well if you want to look at some recent QB success, look at NCSU, they have produced Phillip Rivers, Russel Wilson, Mike Glennon and Jacoby Brisette, and if you are using the last 30 years you can also add Erik Kramer.
Well if you want to look at some recent QB success, look at NCSU, they have produced Phillip Rivers, Russel Wilson, Mike Glennon and Jacoby Brisette, and if you are using the last 30 years you can also add Erik Kramer.
Their claim on Russell is tenuous at best, but they make a good case... but not a clear winner.
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Then there's the list of UCLA qb's.
Troy Aikman...
Brett Hundley....
...and.....
a bunch of guys I never heard of.
Then there's the list of UCLA qb's.
Troy Aikman...
Brett Hundley....
...and.....
a bunch of guys I never heard of.
Really....you never heard of Tommy Maddox, Jay Schroeder, Steve Bono:
Drafted Players
Rk Year Rnd Pick Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS QBrec Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD College/Univ 1 2015 5 147 Brett Hundley QB 22 GNB 2016 2017 0 0 1 5 15 9 3-6-0 194 326 1853 9 13 39 268 2 UCLA College Stats 2 1999 1 12 Cade McNown QB 22 CHI 1999 2000 0 0 0 7 25 15 3-12-0 281 515 3111 16 19 82 486 3 UCLA College Stats 3 1992 1 25 Tommy Maddox QB 21 DEN 1992 2005 0 0 2 24 92 36 15-20-1 686 1200 8087 48 54 68 128 1 UCLA College Stats 4 1989 1 1 Troy Aikman HOF QB 22 DAL 1989 2000 0 6 11 97 165 165 94-71-0 2898 4715 32942 165 141 327 1016 9 UCLA College Stats 5 1986 11 291 David Norrie QB 22 SEA 1987 1987 0 0 0 1 2 2 0-2-0 35 68 376 1 4 5 5 0 UCLA College Stats 6 1985 6 142 Steve Bono QB 23 MIN 1985 1999 0 1 2 32 88 42 28-14-0 934 1701 10439 62 42 125 257 7 UCLA College Stats 7 1984 3 83 Jay Schroeder QB 23 WAS 1985 1994 0 1 8 62 118 99 61-38-0 1426 2808 20063 114 108 242 761 5 UCLA College Stats 8 1983 10 267 Tom Ramsey QB 22 NWE 1986 1989 0 0 0 5 28 5 2-3-0 108 214 1285 7 10 21 82 1 UCLA College Stats 9 1968 2 30 Gary Beban QB 22 RAM 1968 1969 0 0 0 0 5 0 0 1 0 0 0 5 18 0 UCLA College Stats -
Yea, no real correlation. Just because a bunch of QBs...or any players from one particular school has been crappy in the past does not mean that future QBs from that school will be crappy in the future. And vice versa. Just because past QBs were good doesn't mean others will be good.
The only place it seems to apply really is Big 12 QBs. There has really been no real good one since that conference was formed in 1994. That is a period now of 24 years...and that his 10-12 schools. (unless you count Andy Dalton as a real franchise QB.)
I guess that has to change sometime. This year? With either Mayfield or Rudolph?
Mahomes possibly?
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Looking at all the QBs drafted in the past 30 years there is no clear, winning "QBU" from a quality standpoint.
But if you look at quantity then there is one: USC with 9 QBs drafted.
Did not note any with 8, but there are a handful tied with seven each...
- Washington
- Tennesee
- Oregon
- Michigan
- LSU
- FSU
Looking at all the QBs drafted in the past 30 years there is no clear, winning "QBU" from a quality standpoint.
But if you look at quantity then there is one: USC with 9 QBs drafted.
Did not note any with 8, but there are a handful tied with seven each...
- Washington
- Tennesee
- Oregon
- Michigan
- LSU
- FSU
Of course, having QBs drafted....and having them be good, are two different matters. As you note: USC had the most drafted....but except for Palmer...no real success stories. (Ergo....the title to this thread: USC QBs overrated?).
And the funny thing about Washington: their best QB ever went undrafted...and had to go play in Canada for 5 years because the NFL didn't think he would be good because he was black: Warren Moon. (though that was probably more than 30 years ago)
Of course, one guy can help a school's reputation: Brady for FMU, Peyton for Tenn.
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Billy Kilmer, Bob Waterfield
Bob Who?
Kilmer played wearing a leather jock strap.
Bob Who?
Kilmer played wearing a leather jock strap.
Don't play the ignoramous role. Or...are you not playing it?
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I put zero stock in this, Michigan QBs were overrated before Brady, Tennessee QBs were overrated before Manning, etc.
Wasn't Bill Nelson a USC guy? I liked him. May not have been drafted though.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I put zero stock in this, Michigan QBs were overrated before Brday, Tennessee QBs were overrated before Manning, etc.
Wasn't Bill Nelson a USC guy? I liked him. May not have been drafted though.
Zombo
He was USC, and he was drafted by the Steelers, then sent to the Browns for Penis Shiner:
Nelsen was drafted in the 10th round of the 1963 NFL Draft by the Steelers, but saw limited action during his first two seasons. In 1965, new head coach Mike Nixon gave Nelsen the starting job. However, the struggling team finished 2-12, offering him little help, with Nelsen throwing for eight touchdowns, in addition to 17 interceptions. In the November 14, 1965 game against the Dallas Cowboys, Nelsen suffered a knee injury that plagued him the remainder of that year and underwent surgery after the season.
The following season, Nelsen suffered a knee injury against the Detroit Lions in the season's second game. Originally scheduled to be out of the lineup for six weeks, Nelsen would not return until the season's 12th week. The limited time on the field allowed him to set a league record for fewest interceptions (100 minimum passes) with just one on the campaign. In the season finale on December 18, he completed his final 11 passes to defeat the expansion Atlanta Falcons.
In 1967, the injuries continued for Nelsen when during the closing moments of the September 24 game against the St. Louis Cardinals, he was injured following a tackle by Chuck Walker. He missed the next four games, but came off the bench to engineer a 14-10 comeback victory over the expansion New Orleans Saints on October 29.
On May 14, 1968, Nelsen was traded, along with defensive back Jim Bradshaw, to the Browns. In return, the Pittsburgh Steelers received quarterback finger Shiner, defensive tackle Frank Parker and an undisclosed draft choice.[1]The trade wound up helping both teams, as within a month into the season, both Nelsen and Shiner were starting at quarterback for their new clubs.
After serving as Frank Ryan's backup for three games in 1968, Nelsen was elevated to the starting role, and quickly made his mark with a shocking 30-20 upset of the previously unbeaten Baltimore Colts on October 20. By the end of the season, Nelsen had led the team to the playoffs, winning nine of his 11 starts.
In 1969, Nelsen had another strong season, leading the Browns to a 10-3-1 record and a postseason berth, as well as being selected to his first and only Pro Bowl. One week after throwing for five touchdowns in a 42-10 victory over the previously unbeaten Dallas Cowboys on November 2, Nelsen spent a miserable afternoon against the Minnesota Vikings on the losing end of a 51-3 score. In addition, he briefly left that game with a pinched nerve in his throwing arm, a malady that would trouble him for the rest of the season.
In game two of the 1970 NFL season, Nelsen took yet another hit to his knees in a September 27 game against the San Francisco 49ers. The injury forced him out of the game and kept him on the sidelines the following week as well. After a midseason slump, he was replaced for one game by rookie Mike Phipps, but returned to start the final five games. Unfortunately, the Browns dropped to a 7-7 mark and missed the postseason.
In 1971, Nelsen led the Browns to four wins in their first five games, but another midseason slump once again relegated him to the bench for one game. Unlike the previous year, however, Nelsen led the team to five straight victories to once again reach the playoffs. Nelsen briefly won the starting job to start the 1972 season, but gave way to Phipps after a 26-10 loss to the Green Bay Packers in the opening game. Weeks after the conclusion of the season, Nelsen underwent his fifth knee operation and announced his retirement.
In 2012, the Plain Dealer named Nelsen #52 on its list of the top 100 Browns of all time.[2]
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