USC QBs Overrated
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OK, of course, Ohio State fans have nothing to crow over when it comes to their QBs:
Drafted Players
Rk Year Rnd Pick Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS QBrec Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD College/Univ 1 2016 4 139 Cardale Jones QB 23 BUF 2016 2016 0 0 0 0 1 0 6 11 96 0 1 1 -1 0 Ohio St. College Stats 2 2007 5 174 Troy Smith QB 23 BAL 2007 2010 0 0 0 6 20 8 4-4-0 121 234 1734 8 5 52 230 3 Ohio St. College Stats 3 2004 5 148 Craig Krenzel QB 23 CHI 2004 2004 0 0 0 1 6 5 3-2-0 59 127 718 3 6 18 41 0 Ohio St. College Stats 4 2002 6 205 Steve Bellisari QB STL 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats 5 1999 4 101 Joe Germaine QB 24 STL 1999 1999 0 0 0 1 3 0 9 16 136 1 2 3 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats 6 1996 3 85 Bobby Hoying QB 23 PHI 1996 2000 0 0 1 3 22 13 3-9-1 244 456 2544 11 15 42 156 0 Ohio St. College Stats 7 1992 8 211 Kent Graham QB 23 NYG 1992 2001 0 0 1 21 81 38 17-21-0 694 1339 7801 39 33 121 424 5 Ohio St. College Stats 8 1988 3 68 Tom Tupa QB 22 PHO 1988 2004 1 1 11 29 220 13 4-9-0 259 504 3430 12 25 53 187 1 Ohio St. College Stats 9 1987 12 322 Jim Karsatos QB MIA 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats 10 1982 1 4 Art Schlichter QB 22 BAL 1982 1985 0 0 0 4 13 6 0-6-0 91 202 1006 3 11 22 161 1 Ohio St. College Stats 11 1976 11 317 Cornelius Greene QB DAL 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats 12 1974 8 203 Gregg Hare QB BUF 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats 13 1971 15 376 Ron Maciejowski QB CHI 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats Only the misguided Schlichter was anything near a top draftee. With him it is certainly the "What if" game. What if he had been a solid citizen...and not a degenerate gambler. What kind of a pro could he actually have been?
OSU's best pro QB was Mike Tomscak....who wasn't even drafted and is not listed here.
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OK, of course, Ohio State fans have nothing to crow over when it comes to their QBs:
Drafted Players
Rk Year Rnd Pick Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS QBrec Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD College/Univ 1 2016 4 139 Cardale Jones QB 23 BUF 2016 2016 0 0 0 0 1 0 6 11 96 0 1 1 -1 0 Ohio St. College Stats 2 2007 5 174 Troy Smith QB 23 BAL 2007 2010 0 0 0 6 20 8 4-4-0 121 234 1734 8 5 52 230 3 Ohio St. College Stats 3 2004 5 148 Craig Krenzel QB 23 CHI 2004 2004 0 0 0 1 6 5 3-2-0 59 127 718 3 6 18 41 0 Ohio St. College Stats 4 2002 6 205 Steve Bellisari QB STL 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats 5 1999 4 101 Joe Germaine QB 24 STL 1999 1999 0 0 0 1 3 0 9 16 136 1 2 3 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats 6 1996 3 85 Bobby Hoying QB 23 PHI 1996 2000 0 0 1 3 22 13 3-9-1 244 456 2544 11 15 42 156 0 Ohio St. College Stats 7 1992 8 211 Kent Graham QB 23 NYG 1992 2001 0 0 1 21 81 38 17-21-0 694 1339 7801 39 33 121 424 5 Ohio St. College Stats 8 1988 3 68 Tom Tupa QB 22 PHO 1988 2004 1 1 11 29 220 13 4-9-0 259 504 3430 12 25 53 187 1 Ohio St. College Stats 9 1987 12 322 Jim Karsatos QB MIA 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats 10 1982 1 4 Art Schlichter QB 22 BAL 1982 1985 0 0 0 4 13 6 0-6-0 91 202 1006 3 11 22 161 1 Ohio St. College Stats 11 1976 11 317 Cornelius Greene QB DAL 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats 12 1974 8 203 Gregg Hare QB BUF 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats 13 1971 15 376 Ron Maciejowski QB CHI 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats Only the misguided Schlichter was anything near a top draftee. With him it is certainly the "What if" game. What if he had been a solid citizen...and not a degenerate gambler. What kind of a pro could he actually have been?
OSU's best pro QB was Mike Tomscak....who wasn't even drafted and is not listed here.
OK, of course, Ohio State fans have nothing to crow over when it comes to their QBs:
Drafted Players
Rk Year Rnd Pick Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS QBrec Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD College/Univ 1 2016 4 139 Cardale Jones QB 23 BUF 2016 2016 0 0 0 0 1 0 6 11 96 0 1 1 -1 0 Ohio St. College Stats 2 2007 5 174 Troy Smith QB 23 BAL 2007 2010 0 0 0 6 20 8 4-4-0 121 234 1734 8 5 52 230 3 Ohio St. College Stats 3 2004 5 148 Craig Krenzel QB 23 CHI 2004 2004 0 0 0 1 6 5 3-2-0 59 127 718 3 6 18 41 0 Ohio St. College Stats 4 2002 6 205 Steve Bellisari QB STL 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats 5 1999 4 101 Joe Germaine QB 24 STL 1999 1999 0 0 0 1 3 0 9 16 136 1 2 3 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats 6 1996 3 85 Bobby Hoying QB 23 PHI 1996 2000 0 0 1 3 22 13 3-9-1 244 456 2544 11 15 42 156 0 Ohio St. College Stats 7 1992 8 211 Kent Graham QB 23 NYG 1992 2001 0 0 1 21 81 38 17-21-0 694 1339 7801 39 33 121 424 5 Ohio St. College Stats 8 1988 3 68 Tom Tupa QB 22 PHO 1988 2004 1 1 11 29 220 13 4-9-0 259 504 3430 12 25 53 187 1 Ohio St. College Stats 9 1987 12 322 Jim Karsatos QB MIA 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats 10 1982 1 4 Art Schlichter QB 22 BAL 1982 1985 0 0 0 4 13 6 0-6-0 91 202 1006 3 11 22 161 1 Ohio St. College Stats 11 1976 11 317 Cornelius Greene QB DAL 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats 12 1974 8 203 Gregg Hare QB BUF 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats 13 1971 15 376 Ron Maciejowski QB CHI 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats Only the misguided Schlichter was anything near a top draftee. With him it is certainly the "What if" game. What if he had been a solid citizen...and not a degenerate gambler. What kind of a pro could he actually have been?
OSU's best pro QB was Mike Tomscak....who wasn't even drafted and is not listed here.
Has anyone in the last ten years said their was an OSU qb who was an nfl qb? I'm pretty sure everyone is in agreement that OSU does not recruit the "traditional" qb who typically makes it in the nfl. Even Pryor and Jones, anyone with common sense saw that they had major red flags.
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OK, of course, Ohio State fans have nothing to crow over when it comes to their QBs:
Drafted Players
Rk Year Rnd Pick Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS QBrec Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD College/Univ 1 2016 4 139 Cardale Jones QB 23 BUF 2016 2016 0 0 0 0 1 0 6 11 96 0 1 1 -1 0 Ohio St. College Stats 2 2007 5 174 Troy Smith QB 23 BAL 2007 2010 0 0 0 6 20 8 4-4-0 121 234 1734 8 5 52 230 3 Ohio St. College Stats 3 2004 5 148 Craig Krenzel QB 23 CHI 2004 2004 0 0 0 1 6 5 3-2-0 59 127 718 3 6 18 41 0 Ohio St. College Stats 4 2002 6 205 Steve Bellisari QB STL 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats 5 1999 4 101 Joe Germaine QB 24 STL 1999 1999 0 0 0 1 3 0 9 16 136 1 2 3 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats 6 1996 3 85 Bobby Hoying QB 23 PHI 1996 2000 0 0 1 3 22 13 3-9-1 244 456 2544 11 15 42 156 0 Ohio St. College Stats 7 1992 8 211 Kent Graham QB 23 NYG 1992 2001 0 0 1 21 81 38 17-21-0 694 1339 7801 39 33 121 424 5 Ohio St. College Stats 8 1988 3 68 Tom Tupa QB 22 PHO 1988 2004 1 1 11 29 220 13 4-9-0 259 504 3430 12 25 53 187 1 Ohio St. College Stats 9 1987 12 322 Jim Karsatos QB MIA 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats 10 1982 1 4 Art Schlichter QB 22 BAL 1982 1985 0 0 0 4 13 6 0-6-0 91 202 1006 3 11 22 161 1 Ohio St. College Stats 11 1976 11 317 Cornelius Greene QB DAL 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats 12 1974 8 203 Gregg Hare QB BUF 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats 13 1971 15 376 Ron Maciejowski QB CHI 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats Only the misguided Schlichter was anything near a top draftee. With him it is certainly the "What if" game. What if he had been a solid citizen...and not a degenerate gambler. What kind of a pro could he actually have been?
OSU's best pro QB was Mike Tomscak....who wasn't even drafted and is not listed here.
Has anyone in the last ten years said their was an OSU qb who was an nfl qb? I'm pretty sure everyone is in agreement that OSU does not recruit the "traditional" qb who typically makes it in the nfl. Even Pryor and Jones, anyone with common sense saw that they had major red flags.
Has anyone in the last ten years said their was an OSU qb who was an nfl qb? I'm pretty sure everyone is in agreement that OSU does not recruit the "traditional" qb who typically makes it in the nfl. Even Pryor and Jones, anyone with common sense saw that they had major red flags.
Yes they recruit running quarterbacks that don't fumble and control the clock, west coast football it isn't.
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
OK, of course, Ohio State fans have nothing to crow over when it comes to their QBs:
Drafted Players
Rk Year Rnd Pick Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS QBrec Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD College/Univ 1 2016 4 139 Cardale Jones QB 23 BUF 2016 2016 0 0 0 0 1 0 6 11 96 0 1 1 -1 0 Ohio St. College Stats 2 2007 5 174 Troy Smith QB 23 BAL 2007 2010 0 0 0 6 20 8 4-4-0 121 234 1734 8 5 52 230 3 Ohio St. College Stats 3 2004 5 148 Craig Krenzel QB 23 CHI 2004 2004 0 0 0 1 6 5 3-2-0 59 127 718 3 6 18 41 0 Ohio St. College Stats 4 2002 6 205 Steve Bellisari QB STL 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats 5 1999 4 101 Joe Germaine QB 24 STL 1999 1999 0 0 0 1 3 0 9 16 136 1 2 3 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats 6 1996 3 85 Bobby Hoying QB 23 PHI 1996 2000 0 0 1 3 22 13 3-9-1 244 456 2544 11 15 42 156 0 Ohio St. College Stats 7 1992 8 211 Kent Graham QB 23 NYG 1992 2001 0 0 1 21 81 38 17-21-0 694 1339 7801 39 33 121 424 5 Ohio St. College Stats 8 1988 3 68 Tom Tupa QB 22 PHO 1988 2004 1 1 11 29 220 13 4-9-0 259 504 3430 12 25 53 187 1 Ohio St. College Stats 9 1987 12 322 Jim Karsatos QB MIA 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats 10 1982 1 4 Art Schlichter QB 22 BAL 1982 1985 0 0 0 4 13 6 0-6-0 91 202 1006 3 11 22 161 1 Ohio St. College Stats 11 1976 11 317 Cornelius Greene QB DAL 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats 12 1974 8 203 Gregg Hare QB BUF 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats 13 1971 15 376 Ron Maciejowski QB CHI 0 0 0 Ohio St. College Stats Only the misguided Schlichter was anything near a top draftee. With him it is certainly the "What if" game. What if he had been a solid citizen...and not a degenerate gambler. What kind of a pro could he actually have been?
OSU's best pro QB was Mike Tomscak....who wasn't even drafted and is not listed here.
Has anyone in the last ten years said their was an OSU qb who was an nfl qb? I'm pretty sure everyone is in agreement that OSU does not recruit the "traditional" qb who typically makes it in the nfl. Even Pryor and Jones, anyone with common sense saw that they had major red flags.
Has anyone in the last ten years said their was an OSU qb who was an nfl qb? I'm pretty sure everyone is in agreement that OSU does not recruit the "traditional" qb who typically makes it in the nfl. Even Pryor and Jones, anyone with common sense saw that they had major red flags.
People thought that Cardale could do some damage in the pros.. No sale.
In fact....where is Cardale? Is he still on the Bills...or with some other team?
Or, is he a candidate for the Alliance for American Football?
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Has anyone in the last ten years said their was an OSU qb who was an nfl qb? I'm pretty sure everyone is in agreement that OSU does not recruit the "traditional" qb who typically makes it in the nfl. Even Pryor and Jones, anyone with common sense saw that they had major red flags.
Yes they recruit running quarterbacks that don't fumble and control the clock, west coast football it isn't.
Yes they recruit running quarterbacks that don't fumble and control the clock, west coast football it isn't.
Will JT Barrett even be drafted?
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I am going to go out on a not very long limb and say that USC QBs have been basically a pile of mediocre much....other than Carson Palmer. And note...his career winning record is barely over .500.
Pat Haden actually had the best win pct....but he did not last all that long. Only really a 5 year career. Not sure is he had injuries that curtailed him. I know that he got replaced by Vince Ferragamo the year the LA Rams went to the Super Bowl. Not sure if that was injury or performance based.
Sanchez had two years of success....then utter failure. Rodney Peete had some decent years....but was never viewed as "franchise", I don't think.
Matt Cassell.....was really a career backup.
So...if the Browns take him....what will Darnold turn out to be? The best QB USC ever produced? Which is what he better be.....or will he fall into the mediocre drek that a lot of these guys are.
The only guys that he should really be compared to likely are Palmer, Sanchez., Leinert....and maybe Marinovich....since they were the First rounders. the rest were mostly mid to late round guys....so they should not be held to the same standard. Though....like I said, Haden...the one with the best win pct. was only 7th round.
I am going to go out on a not very long limb and say that USC QBs have been basically a pile of mediocre much
Sounds like they're due.....
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I am going to go out on a not very long limb and say that USC QBs have been basically a pile of mediocre much
Sounds like they're due.....
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Good data, Gip. I struggle with the correlation, though, assuming someone thinks there is one. Maybe I’m wrong.
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Good data, Gip. I struggle with the correlation, though, assuming someone thinks there is one. Maybe I’m wrong.
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Good data, Gip. I struggle with the correlation, though, assuming someone thinks there is one. Maybe I’m wrong.
Good data, Gip. I struggle with the correlation, though, assuming someone thinks there is one. Maybe I’m wrong.
Yea, no real correlation. Just because a bunch of QBs...or any players from one particular school has been crappy in the past does not mean that future QBs from that school will be crappy in the future. And vice versa. Just because past QBs were good doesn't mean others will be good.
The only place it seems to apply really is Big 12 QBs. There has really been no real good one since that conference was formed in 1994. That is a period now of 24 years...and that his 10-12 schools. (unless you count Andy Dalton as a real franchise QB.)
I guess that has to change sometime. This year? With either Mayfield or Rudolph?
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So what school is the best for QBs? Alabama? Miami? Notre Dame?
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Will JT Barrett even be drafted?
I doubt it, maybe someone takes a late, late flyer on him.
For as successful as Pryor, Miller and Barrett has been, they have been absolutely dreadful passing the ball when they are in obvious passing situations. That doesn't translate to the NFL.
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I think it's straight forward, by and large USC QB's suck in the NFL
That is my biggest fear, although mostly irrational, about drafting Darnold at 1.
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So what school is the best for QBs? Alabama? Miami? Notre Dame?
So what school is the best for QBs? Alabama? Miami? Notre Dame?
Alabama is a good choice: l they currently have 3 HOF QBs: Starr, Namath, Stabler
Purdue is another: Dawson, Griese....and they will have Drew Brees when he is done (also had Jim Everett and a couple other decent ones)
UCLA has a couple: Waterfield, Aikman
Stanford has to be considered: Elway, Plunkett, Luck. All #1 overall.....along with Bobby Garrett who may actually be the biggest bust in the history of the draft: a #1 overall QB....who never played but a handful of games....and played -0- for the team that drafted him...i.e. The Cleveland Browns. They also had John Brodie come out of there.
Oregon has to be mentioned: HOFers Dan Fouts and Norm Van Brocklin...plus the up and coming Mariota
Notre Dame? Only Montana and Joe Theismann were much good. They had their share of bad busts: John Huarte, Rick Mirer, Brady Quinn.
Michigan has HOF Benny Friedman....plus Brady. Harbaugh decent.
Miami Fla.....had that group all there at the same time: Kelly, Bernie, Vinny. But not much good since. George Mir back in the 60s.
BYU was QB U for a while: Steve Young, Jim McMahon, Marc Wilson
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Then there's the list of UCLA qb's.
Troy Aikman...
Brett Hundley....
...and.....
a bunch of guys I never heard of.
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Then there's the list of UCLA qb's.
Troy Aikman...
Brett Hundley....
...and.....
a bunch of guys I never heard of.
Then there's the list of UCLA qb's.
Troy Aikman...
Brett Hundley....
...and.....
a bunch of guys I never heard of.
And Troy was a Sooner first and almost not a Bruin at all.......
......On October 19, Miami's Jerome Brown broke through the offensive line, sacked Aikman on the Sooner 29-yard line and broke Aikman's ankle. Aikman, who had been six of eight passing for 131 yards, would be lost for the season. Switzer and offensive coordinator Jim Donnan were forced to switch back to the wishbone offense under freshman quarterback Jamelle Holieway. The team went on to win the 1985 National Championship. With Holieway established as the starting quarterback at OU, Aikman decided to transfer to UCLA........
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